It looks like Viz will license Monster. If that's the case Im sure AS will get it.

Also there is nothing wrong with Shounen Jump stuff on AS IMO. Im almost 30 and still enjoy
reading some of there manga's like Bleach and I loved Death Note. In the case of FMA I prefer the
manga anyway but still enjoy the anime. Even tho they are targeted to younger people these shows
still have enough appeal for adults like me to enjoy. For this Im glad AS has got the animes they do
have. But yeah if they get to air Monster I'll be on cloud 9.

Message Edited by darkmaster24 on 01-19-2008 02:43 PM

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darkmaster24 wrote:

It looks like Viz will license Monster. If that's the case Im sure AS will get it.

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That's not a guarentee. Viz has Flame of Recca and neither Toonami nor Adult Swim bothered to air it CN skipped right to MAR (which is inferior in every way to Flame of Recca but from the same manga-ka). Probably neither are going to get Hunter x Hunter from Viz despite being another Shonen Jump series due to being almost 10 years old at this point. And that is a tragedy if ever there was one but that's Toonami material and I don't want it on AS (though AS is better than nowhere I guess). Not everything Viz gets with marketability ends up on CN (but most things do I'll give you that much).

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Sketchor wrote:

Before Bleach the only Jump series to air on AS was Yu Yu Hakusho but it moved to Toonami. Then Toonami was the home of all things Jump for quite a while until Bleach. Adult Swim played some shounen anime (Inuyasha, FMA, Eureka seveN, etc) but nothing from US youth targeted Jump catelog. Then Bleach came along and I cringed at the thought that it would air on Adult Swim rather than Toonami but eventually I stopped caring where it aired (a bit). Then as expected, Death Note joined Adult Swim. Which I welcomed actually. It's Shonen Jump but it's in no way Toonami material and lacks the action needed to air on Toonami. But now I'm hearing Buso Renkin is joining Adult Swim and all I can do is roll my eyes. What's next... D.Grayman, Gintama? I was ready for Claymore because it was a shoe-in but now the considerably more juvenile Jump titles are showing up on Adult Swim? That was Toonami's gig and it still should be. And that wouldn't even bother me that much if AS was picking up more non-shounen to pad the line-up but they aren't. The entire Saturday night line-up is shounen and while I love shounen anime I can't help but feel that Adult Swim is missing the point.

 

For the love of all things good and decent buy the rights to MONSTER. A dark adult drama that truly suits airing on a block called "Adult Swim". For a while I've considered "adult swim" to be more along the lines of "teenage fanboy swim" but if they're going to keep picking up juvenile stuff then they may as well call themselves "the kiddy pool".

 

Shame on you Adult Swim. Live up to your name. Leave the kids stuff to Cartoon Network.

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#2 proves a point along with #1

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Death Note and Bleach are perfectly fine on [AS]. Go hoam.

However, I do agree with you on Monster. Why the fuuuuuudge isn't it licensed yet?

If it gets picked up and one of the L.A. studios dubs it, they MUST get Crispin Freeman for Dr. Tenma! As for Johann, they can't go wrong with God!

[AS] also needs Ah! My Goddess, Flag, Lucky Star, Ouran, Peach Girl, Noir, Bee Train's "girls with guns" trilogy (Madlax, Noir, and El Cazador de la Bruja), Chrono Crusade, Azumanga Daioh, Fruits Basket, Air, Black Lagoon, Last Exile, The Wallflower, Great Teacher Onizuka, Samurai Gun, RahXephon, D.N. Angel, and Meine Liebe.

Moar anime: Because it is never enough.

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Sketchor wrote:

Before Bleach the only Jump series to air on AS was Yu Yu Hakusho but it moved to Toonami. Then Toonami was the home of all things Jump for quite a while until Bleach. Adult Swim played some shounen anime (Inuyasha, FMA, Eureka seveN, etc) but nothing from US youth targeted Jump catelog. Then Bleach came along and I cringed at the thought that it would air on Adult Swim rather than Toonami but eventually I stopped caring where it aired (a bit). Then as expected, Death Note joined Adult Swim. Which I welcomed actually. It's Shonen Jump but it's in no way Toonami material and lacks the action needed to air on Toonami. But now I'm hearing Buso Renkin is joining Adult Swim and all I can do is roll my eyes. What's next... D.Grayman, Gintama? I was ready for Claymore because it was a shoe-in but now the considerably more juvenile Jump titles are showing up on Adult Swim? That was Toonami's gig and it still should be. And that wouldn't even bother me that much if AS was picking up more non-shounen to pad the line-up but they aren't. The entire Saturday night line-up is shounen and while I love shounen anime I can't help but feel that Adult Swim is missing the point.

 

For the love of all things good and decent buy the rights to MONSTER. A dark adult drama that truly suits airing on a block called "Adult Swim". For a while I've considered "adult swim" to be more along the lines of "teenage fanboy swim" but if they're going to keep picking up juvenile stuff then they may as well call themselves "the kiddy pool".

 

Shame on you Adult Swim. Live up to your name. Leave the kids stuff to Cartoon Network.

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Hear, hear!

This part especially.

I doubt it's changing though.  Our new admin is a child, so what do you expect?

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J-Dubb wrote:
Why all the Jump hate?

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I love Shonen Jump anime. I just don't believe most of it suits Adult Swim (Death Note is fine so is Claymore and Fist of the North Star if they'd ever air it).

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Metatronda wrote:
1) The ONLY source on Buso Renkin going to Adult Swim is a single voice actress, and that is hardly a reliable source. Sometimes they are right and can be believed, sometimes they are not right at all, and sometimes they may be right at first but plans change. So for now, Buso Renkin is, at best, an unconfirmed possible acquisition.


2) I find it amusing that you can complain about the maturity level of Adult Swim shows today when you are using an icon of a show that aired on Adult Swim years ago with a dub that was edited down and Americanized with the original intention of a Toonami audience, essentially meaning Adult Swim was airing a show actually deliberately produced with a "kiddy pool" fanbase in mind.


3) Let's just be thankful that Claymore's ugly ** blarg ** is, as of yet, not coming this way.

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Says the guy with the Eureka seveN icon. One shounen for another.

I'm aware it's only rumor currently. But you're aware that Blood+ was first hinted on a voice actors website. Even so, it's not confirmed until AS or Viz says something.

Now Case Closed was a fantastic show and honestly I haven't forgiven them for hanging it out to dry. I'm farely confident that it would have done much better on Toonami. However, it's not Adult Swim's fault nor FUNimation's that it had name changes. That was a choice by TMS who is pretty notorious for asking for changes to make shows easier for US audiences to enjoy. And they always fail miserably. It too did not belong on Adult Swim. I'd say it was the first strike but actually that's more so Inuyasha which was going to air on Toonami but the censors were much stricter back then and they wouldn't let Toonami air a show with a boy being impailed on a tree with an arrow. Though technically besides Cowboy Bebop the original Adult Swim action Saturday was shounen a plenty as well but that was mostly because they took shows planned for Toonami and shows that previously aired on Toonami. However they seemingly grew out of that when they picked up Lupin and Reign (though I never liked Reign), Blue Gender, Ghost in the Shell, etc. They've always played shounen but most of it wasn't really "Toonami" material so I had little to no qualms until 2006 when they got Bleach.

Adult Swim can get more suitable programing than run of the mill shounen. So they should. A little shounen is fine as long as it's Death Note or at least FMA level but if they really are getting Buso Renkin... that's just embarrasing to their name. There should be a balance. But lets consider the anime pick-ups for Adult Swim since 2006. Eureka seveN, Bleach, Trinity Blood, Shin Chan, Blood+, Death Note, Code Geass and possibly Buso Renkin. Of those only two are not shounen (Trinity Blood and Shin Chan). Yes even Blood+ is shounen but requires an MA and that is more than enough proof that it's Adult Swim material. Those few episodes of MA E7 probably could have been TV-14-V but as E7 would have bombed on Toonami I don't really care that it aired on Adult Swim instead. Bleach and Buso Renkin aren't the least bit as mature as even Detective Conan (yeah, stupid kid friends and all). And they're easier to edit as well (as they don't center around the who, what, where, why and when of murder but I still say CN should have made it their first PG show long before Naruto showed up but oh well... it's dead in the US now and that's not going to change).

You must not have been paying attention around here though. I've been speaking my views on this issue for years now.

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Belldandys_Husband wrote:

Death Note and Bleach are perfectly fine on [AS]. Go hoam.

However, I do agree with you on Monster. Why the fuuuuuudge isn't it licensed yet?

If it gets picked up and one of the L.A. studios dubs it, they MUST get Crispin Freeman for Dr. Tenma! As for Johann, they can't go wrong with God!

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Viz licensed Monster. Freeman would be great for Tenma. Hopefully he gets the part but it might get dubbed in Canada rather than LA. Viz uses both regions for outsourcing their voice recording work. (they have no inhouse studio like FUNimation or ADV).

Death Note is fine for Adult Swim. Good infact. Bleach... nope.

My 2 cents:  The nitpicker in me knows you're only talking about [adult swim] Saturdays AKA ACTN AKA Action.  [as] Comedy Sundays is still their bread & butter, and new ATHF, Squidbillies & other shows proves it.  We're still glad [as] doesn't really hate anime or we wouldn't be having this discussion.  As for Shonen Jump killing ACTN, more likely SJ & CN killed Toonami.  It's not Shonen Jump, but that old chestnut DBZ isn't helping revive Toonami.  Naruto x 2 & New, Improved One Piece (FUNiPiece) keep Toonami in that 6-11 demographic & CN's reduction of the block keeps it from breaking new ground.

If they expanded Toonami back to 4 hrs/week or even 3 hrs., shows like Buso Renkin would have a place to play & shows like Monster would have room on [as].  As for SJ shows dominating a block, look at This:  Naruto, One Piece, Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo, MAR, The Prince of Tennis.  All Shonen Jump, all aired or airing on Toonami.  I'm not sure if Rurouni Kenshin was SJ & I'm probably missing titles that have been on the old weekday Toonami & back on [as] Action in the early days.

Bottom Line:  Toonami & [as] Action have always tilted toward shonen, whether SJ or not.  That probably won't change.  [as] should lean toward more mature shonen & seinen if they want to be considered [adult swim].  Toonami will continue with shonen for older kids & tweens.  However, as long as CN/Toonami focuses on the 6-11 demo, even airing TV-PG stuff like Naruto & One Piece, the 12-17 demo that CN ignores will have no place to see anime (shonen or not) other than on [as] & other networks.  Or BitTorrent... CN needs to make Toonami longer again, but as long as Goosebumps or something else gets better ratings than anime/action in the 7-9 ET/PT Saturday slot, that won't happen!

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PatPeter wrote:
Naruto was originally made to go on a network like [as].

Like when he cuts his palm with a knife and you see one drop of blood spill,

"Naruto if you lose anymore blood you will die."

Also when Naruto summons the giant frog in Japanese he says:

"Where the f*** am I?"

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Naruto was always intended for youth audiences not the 18+ audience Adult Swim targets (same goes for Bleach and Inuyasha among other AS anime).

They've never dropped an f-bomb in Naruto Japanese kid's show don't use that type of language. Fansubbers translate angry words to be heavier curse words to spice things up. Viz's uncut dub of Naruto has some swearing but nothing like an f-bomb.

The first season of Naruto was censored more than the later seasons so I will say they handled the blood oath poorly in season one. If I had to give it a number I'd say out of the entire run thus far about 15% was censored and 10% of that was in season one leaving only roughly 5% for every episode beyond episode 26. If you weren't aware they've had about 100 nearly (sometimes completely) uncut episodes since then. Naruto is right where it belongs. Especially now that's hits nearly at the point of the extremely tame filler episodes.

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Soul_inthe_dark wrote:
Sketchor, Man..
I think you're getting ahead of yourself on this matter.
Remember one thing....
WS loves Kenshin.
If they were to have got rights to it now, it'd go to [as].
Remember that?
Even so.
I think why Busou Renkin is goiong to [as] is cause.. WS can't get it on CN anyway!
And they wanna air it one way or another.
Plus they know how well Bleach has been doing, and how well Kenshin did back on Toonami.
So they'llair Busou Renkin regardless

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I'm aware that WS loves Kenshin and I'm sure that's why it's airing on Adult Swim and I'm also quite confident that Viz tried for Toonami and CN turned them down so CN is also to blame for the uprise of shounen on Adult Swim as they're not willing to air perfectly good Toonami material on Toonami simply because they don't have toys to sell. Gone are the days of Outlaw Star and Tenchi Muyo.

However, even if they love Kenshin... WS should be able to see that Buso Renkin isn't worth airing on Adult Swim.

It could have just gone to Jetstream. That was actually what I was expecting it to do.

Message Edited by Sketchor on 01-20-2008 04:49 PM

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Sketchor wrote:

Before Bleach the only Jump series to air on AS was Yu Yu Hakusho but it moved to Toonami. Then Toonami was the home of all things Jump for quite a while until Bleach. Adult Swim played some shounen anime (Inuyasha, FMA, Eureka seveN, etc) but nothing from US youth targeted Jump catelog. Then Bleach came along and I cringed at the thought that it would air on Adult Swim rather than Toonami but eventually I stopped caring where it aired (a bit). Then as expected, Death Note joined Adult Swim. Which I welcomed actually. It's Shonen Jump but it's in no way Toonami material and lacks the action needed to air on Toonami. But now I'm hearing Buso Renkin is joining Adult Swim and all I can do is roll my eyes. What's next... D.Grayman, Gintama? I was ready for Claymore because it was a shoe-in but now the considerably more juvenile Jump titles are showing up on Adult Swim? That was Toonami's gig and it still should be. And that wouldn't even bother me that much if AS was picking up more non-shounen to pad the line-up but they aren't. The entire Saturday night line-up is shounen and while I love shounen anime I can't help but feel that Adult Swim is missing the point.

 

For the love of all things good and decent buy the rights to MONSTER. A dark adult drama that truly suits airing on a block called "Adult Swim". For a while I've considered "adult swim" to be more along the lines of "teenage fanboy swim" but if they're going to keep picking up juvenile stuff then they may as well call themselves "the kiddy pool".

 

Shame on you Adult Swim. Live up to your name. Leave the kids stuff to Cartoon Network.

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fool_on_the_hill wrote:
You do know the only Shounen Jump series to have aired on [as] are Yu Yu Hakusho, Bleach, and now Death Note, right?

I'd hardly say Jump "killed" [as].

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I tend to agree.  Bleach is enjoyable enough, but I do feel like an idiot for watching sometimes because it's so obviously for pre-teens, and not in a good "appeals to all ages" way either.  I mean, the filler episodes and "comedy" bits...good God.  Yeah, it would be better on Toonami, and anything else like it would.  Especially on weeknights where the focus isn't really anime exclusive, it just doesn't fit.

Actually I've come to vastly prefer shonen over the exposition overload of more "sophisticated" (read: boring) shows like GitS.  But I think more esoteric anime like Mushishi or Monster is a much better fit for [as].  Also, I'm totally for some dumbo mecha shows.  Who wouldn't want to watch, like, GaoGaiGar or Gunbuster at 2 AM?

Message Edited by KaptKrunch on 01-21-2008 12:23 AM

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Soul_inthe_dark wrote:
See...as the kids say it..
"Heres the Da-m.n thing"

[adult swim] isn't dead.
[adult swim] ACTN isn't either.
Far from it.
We do need mature series, I totally agree on that.

But hey, in someways it would seem as if [as] ACTN and Toonami are becoming one..due to trhe fact that CN ..has killed Toonami in essence.
As in anything else?

"Fuhck! It comes down to one friggin thing, maybe that has whats really killed [as] in your opinion, which is: RATINGS"
Which is what any Television network wants.

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Message Edited by Light-Yagami on 01-23-2008 05:16 PM

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Sketchor wrote:

Before Bleach the only Jump series to air on AS was Yu Yu Hakusho but it moved to Toonami. Then Toonami was the home of all things Jump for quite a while until Bleach. Adult Swim played some shounen anime (Inuyasha, FMA, Eureka seveN, etc) but nothing from US youth targeted Jump catelog. Then Bleach came along and I cringed at the thought that it would air on Adult Swim rather than Toonami but eventually I stopped caring where it aired (a bit). Then as expected, Death Note joined Adult Swim. Which I welcomed actually. It's Shonen Jump but it's in no way Toonami material and lacks the action needed to air on Toonami. But now I'm hearing Buso Renkin is joining Adult Swim and all I can do is roll my eyes. What's next... D.Grayman, Gintama? I was ready for Claymore because it was a shoe-in but now the considerably more juvenile Jump titles are showing up on Adult Swim? That was Toonami's gig and it still should be. And that wouldn't even bother me that much if AS was picking up more non-shounen to pad the line-up but they aren't. The entire Saturday night line-up is shounen and while I love shounen anime I can't help but feel that Adult Swim is missing the point.

 

For the love of all things good and decent buy the rights to MONSTER. A dark adult drama that truly suits airing on a block called "Adult Swim". For a while I've considered "adult swim" to be more along the lines of "teenage fanboy swim" but if they're going to keep picking up juvenile stuff then they may as well call themselves "the kiddy pool".

 

Shame on you Adult Swim. Live up to your name. Leave the kids stuff to Cartoon Network.

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Message Edited by swiper on 01-23-2008 05:28 PM

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Sketchor wrote:

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J-Dubb wrote:
Why all the Jump hate?

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I love Shonen Jump anime. I just don't believe most of it suits Adult Swim (Death Note is fine so is Claymore and Fist of the North Star if they'd ever air it).

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Babysmasher1 wrote:

(Eureka Seven and Inuyasha need to go).

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Ironically, neither are Shounen Jump shows.  They may be shounen, but they're not from the magazine Shounen Jump.

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Littlemini23 wrote:

Why is CN still showing 2 hours of Goosebumps?

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Yeah me too Littlemini23 I want answers why still air Goosebumps billy I want answers this just want know.

By the way Adult Swim not dead they get Shonen Anime shows like Bleach and etc. Bleach be bad move go to Toonami like YYH did on 2003 or 2004 I cannot remember it.

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Wolfmanthemaster wrote:

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Littlemini23 wrote:

Why is CN still showing 2 hours of Goosebumps?

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Yeah me too Littlemini23 I want answers why still air Goosebumps billy I want answers this just want know.

By the way Adult Swim not dead they get Shonen Anime shows like Bleach and etc. Bleach be bad move go to Toonami like YYH did on 2003 or 2004 I cannot remember it.

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