|
|
|
|
|
Adult Swim :
[adult swim] noise :
Rants :
Funny story about health insurance
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Funny story about health insurance
[ Edited ]
|
|
 sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 1 of 244
Viewed 1,182 times
|
|
Remember that big debate health insurance we had a while back where some argued people were being lazy, and that's why the couldn't buy insurance?
Funny thing, they aren't buying it because they can't afford it!
Consumer Reports finds that people just don't have the money to buy their own policy. But you know, they're probably just too lazy to make some extra cash to buy the insurance.
I would be sickened, but I'm afraid what would happen to me.
Message Edited by sleepyirv on 12-04-2007 11:17 AM
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 12:17 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 3 of 244
Viewed 1,129 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843073
Glodson wrote:
Sure she enters a mine field, looking for that one insurer that will help cover her expenses so that she can continue to eat..
You mean Atlantis? Camelot? Hollywood?
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 12:27 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 6 of 244
Viewed 1,106 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843079
Darn it!
Do I win some form of health insurance?
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 12:35 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Rasputin0070
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 13515
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 7 of 244
Viewed 1,099 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
My sister is working two jobs and sweating over the fact that she's almost the age where she won't be covered under our father's insurance. Not to mention our mother who's been working all her life and can't afford her own policy.
But it's all anecdotal evidence. Nothing to see here.
You can't trust poor people anyway. They just want a handout in the form of "adequate healthcare".
Freeloaders.
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 12:37 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 9 of 244
Viewed 1,090 times
|
|
Reply to Rasputin0070
- Message ID#: 1843086
Rasputin0070 wrote:
But it's all anecdotal evidence. Nothing to see here.
The thing is though... the numbers back up that that story is more of the rule instead of the exception.
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 12:39 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
The_last_summoner
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 13492
Registered: 08-19-2005
Message 10 of 244
Viewed 1,066 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
You took Kenworth's and Astroman's argument seriously? ? Dude NO just no, shame on you for hurting you brain like that . You best go apologize before your brain makes you walk into a moving bus.
It failed the grand Reagan experiment failed accept it and move the fuuuuuudge on.
You can only take the high road for so long, follow it too much and you will fall off the eventual cliff.
Your going to hell, but don't worry Hell is a sinner paradise where as heaven is just boring.
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 01:59 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 11 of 244
Viewed 1,058 times
|
|
Reply to The_last_summoner
- Message ID#: 1843171
My brain refuses to give up, even in the face of inanity.
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:06 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 12 of 244
Viewed 1,052 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843089
sleepyirv wrote:
Rasputin0070 wrote:
But it's all anecdotal evidence. Nothing to see here.
The thing is though... the numbers back up that that story is more of the rule instead of the exception.
ra ra ra ra FINGERS IN OUR EARS LAZY POOR PEOPLE WANT A HANDOUT ra ra ra ra ...and etc. Here's an interesting listen: anecdotal, true. But illuminating--- http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_397_A_Tale_Of_Two_Health_Ca
re_Systems.mp3/view
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:08 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 13 of 244
Viewed 1,053 times
|
|
Reply to gheelnory
- Message ID#: 1843187
(((Why would the filter change La to "ra"? I thought the filter was currently making things more Christmassy, not less?))) (((it's as understandable as the objections to making health care affordable....)))
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:09 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
[ Edited ]
|
|
wacky1980
SwimMoonlighter
Posts: 15145
Registered: 02-09-2004
Message 15 of 244
Viewed 1,038 times
|
|
Reply to gheelnory
- Message ID#: 1843189
it's "a smexxxmas story" themed filter.
remember at the end, when they went to eat at the asian restaurant, and the employees were singing "fa ra ra ra raaa"? that's where it's from.
edit: darn you saddy. darn you to heck! 
Message Edited by wacky1980 on 12-04-2007 01:12 PM
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:11 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
The_last_summoner
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 13492
Registered: 08-19-2005
Message 17 of 244
Viewed 1,023 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843182
Dude it's ok to argue against them, But to take some of there Ideas seriously is just Brain abuse.
It failed the grand Reagan experiment failed accept it and move the fuuuuuudge on.
You can only take the high road for so long, follow it too much and you will fall off the eventual cliff.
Your going to hell, but don't worry Hell is a sinner paradise where as heaven is just boring.
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:14 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
SaugusHagar
SwimGiant
Posts: 9247
Registered: 04-06-2006
Message 18 of 244
Viewed 1,020 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
who cares about poor people. it's not like they vote or anything
the original man in black
may you find heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:16 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 19 of 244
Viewed 1,008 times
|
|
Reply to SaugusHagar
- Message ID#: 1843196
SaugusHagar wrote:
who cares about poor people. it's not like they vote or anything
Motto of the Republican party?
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:19 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
SaugusHagar
SwimGiant
Posts: 9247
Registered: 04-06-2006
Message 20 of 244
Viewed 1,003 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843200
more like a campaigning tool
the original man in black
may you find heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:21 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 21 of 244
Viewed 1,002 times
|
|
Reply to Saddy
- Message ID#: 1843191
(and Wacky...) Oh, of course. I didn't think of the restaurant scene-thingy. Shame on me, I'd even seen in dotcom the filter changing MrClaus's name to 'guy who pushed Ralphie down the slide...' What a disturbing mental lapse.....Wow, I need to see a doctor! Oh, wait, I can't afford to!
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:23 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Glodson
Owl Knight
Posts: 33809
Registered: 07-13-2003
Message 22 of 244
Viewed 986 times
|
|
Reply to gheelnory
- Message ID#: 1843205
Ra is the most christmas thing ever.
And Ra is a sun god. Two for one.
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:27 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 23 of 244
Viewed 975 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843207
Back when they made that movie, they could get away with ethnic stereotyping (you couldn't make it today. Though I will admit it's all very warm-hearted, and probably not many people of Chinese background would be outraged or anything). Also, back when they made that movie, a much higher proportion of the US population had health insurance. (I get the feeling that a lot of people who STILL have health insurance through their employers take for granted that "most" people have it, as was probably true in 1983. But those numbers have declined, year by year. Yet the mindset is still "most people who are decent people who work hard are covered and are okay".)
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 02:39 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
RoadWorrier
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 13184
Registered: 11-04-2004
Message 25 of 244
Viewed 941 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
You're not seriously suggesting that some people can't *gasp* afford to buy health-insurance, are you? I wonder where MoA is; threads like this draw him like a moth to a flame . . . . .
-- and He who made kittens put snakes in the grass --
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 06:40 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
[ Edited ]
|
|
SaugusHagar
SwimGiant
Posts: 9247
Registered: 04-06-2006
Message 26 of 244
Viewed 941 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843261
small businesses as well. recently my state made a law requiring that all citizens must have health insurance, with exceptions of coarse. one such exception is if a business grosses under a certain amount or has under nine employee's, they aren't required to offer any health coverage. also according to the budget calculator they use, if you are a full time employee and make the equivalent of $12hr and up, you are not eligible for a subsidized state aid program and must pay the full premium, or find your own privatized insurance. the really funny thing is how insulting it I'd imagine, to be called lazy or stupid because you might fall within a certain tax bracket where your net income is less than that of some one who would make $2hr less than you, whom according to the same calculator does qualify for aid. the last argument at it's core I suspect could under certain circumstances be truthful, but haven't found much evidence of. edit(dam spell checker doesn't catch grammar mistakes) Message Edited by SaugusHagar on 12-04-2007 06:45 PM
the original man in black
may you find heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 06:43 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Hong_Kong_Phooey
Owl Knight
Posts: 31783
Registered: 08-13-2005
Message 28 of 244
Viewed 927 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843073
Pssh women, she's the one that chose to be old, so it's her own darn fault I say.... well, her and those Golden Girls, glamourizing the oldie lifestyle, such bad influences.
"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am the friend of its happiness: when these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government." - Thomas Paine
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 06:57 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
SaugusHagar
SwimGiant
Posts: 9247
Registered: 04-06-2006
Message 29 of 244
Viewed 912 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843447
well, say I/you/ anyone else, were self employed and the circumstances I outlined above applied directly to them. I'd certainly feel insulted and outraged to hear any one describe my situation as any thing but surviving. how ever, depending on one's disposition it could also be argued that these laws and circumstances should encourage one to find a different occupation, or imply you aren't good enough (aka you're a loser). Don't get me wrong though, I'm fond of the idea that some one is trying to do something, because no one is safe from Murphy's Law. I just think it should be either a right, or a privilege. but not a demand.
the original man in black
may you find heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 07:21 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Man_or_Astroman
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 12270
Registered: 03-02-2004
Message 30 of 244
Viewed 911 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
sleepyirv wrote:
Remember that big debate health insurance we had a while back where some argued people were being lazy, and that's why the couldn't buy insurance?
Funny thing, they aren't buying it because they can't afford it!
Consumer Reports finds that people just don't have the money to buy their own policy. But you know, they're probably just too lazy to make some extra cash to buy the insurance.
I would be sickened, but I'm afraid what would happen to me.
Message Edited by sleepyirv on 12-04-2007 11:17 AM
I know they can't afford it. I have been saying it all along. We all know you NEED to have a cell phone, you NEED to have cable, you NEED to have a car, you NEED to have internet access. Who the hell has money left over for a luxury like health insurance after all those neccesities? **Fra-gee-lay**, not me! I have a plan though; we NEED to tax the **Fra-gee-lay** out of the working class and the young. Yes, that has solved the retirement problem* and left the future bright for America**! **exluding overwhelming cost on future generations. * exluding all those younger than 45.
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 10:16 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 31 of 244
Viewed 875 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1843746
MoA- the most moral man in America.
I got me some numbers to back up my case... so where's your source?
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-04-2007 11:52 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 32 of 244
Viewed 856 times
|
|
Reply to SaugusHagar
- Message ID#: 1843463
SaugusHagar wrote:
how ever, depending on one's disposition it could also be argued that these laws and circumstances should encourage one to find a different occupation, or imply you aren't good enough (aka you're a loser).
As Glodson pointed out, a substantial number of those who don't have employer-provided insurance, don't have it because they are following the American dream of entrepreneurship. So would those who'd say "it's your own fault, find a different occupation" also say "no one should take their own innovative idea and hard work and try to create a new business"..............???
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 12:45 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
myrAdamWest
SwimMoonlighter
Posts: 15966
Registered: 09-27-2004
Message 33 of 244
Viewed 855 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
Not having health insurance is terrifying. The nine months I went without it (hooray University picking it up for grad students for a small premium) were horrible. I was half afraid to drive anywhere because if I got in a wreck I couldn't even afford the ambulance ride to the hospital.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 12:52 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
wacky1980
SwimMoonlighter
Posts: 15145
Registered: 02-09-2004
Message 34 of 244
Viewed 847 times
|
|
Reply to myrAdamWest
- Message ID#: 1844002
meh, i've been without health insurance for over 10 years. lucky me, i haven't needed it once in that time span. i'm looking into opening a medical savings account, and also getting a job that offers coverage. i'm at the age where my family members in the past have had to start worrying about heart and cancer issues, so i guess i've beaten chance for long enough.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 12:58 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
your_homework
SwimCount
Posts: 5678
Registered: 10-21-2005
Message 35 of 244
Viewed 840 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1843746
Man_or_Astroman wrote: you NEED to have a car
Well, for a lot of people, in order to get to their job they need a shoddy car. Also, it aids them to the grocery store.
I'm going to need some cites on the other things, specifically the percentage without insurance having the Internet. Something tells me you haven't been around a lot of poor people lately.
Do me
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 01:10 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Saddy
Order of the Kitty
Posts: 79209
Registered: 08-15-2003
Message 36 of 244
Viewed 812 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1843746
Man_or_Astroman wrote:
sleepyirv wrote:
Remember that big debate health insurance we had a while back where some argued people were being lazy, and that's why the couldn't buy insurance?
Funny thing, they aren't buying it because they can't afford it!
Consumer Reports finds that people just don't have the money to buy their own policy. But you know, they're probably just too lazy to make some extra cash to buy the insurance.
I would be sickened, but I'm afraid what would happen to me.
Message Edited by sleepyirv on 12-04-2007 11:17 AM
I know they can't afford it. I have been saying it all along. We all know you NEED to have a cell phone, you NEED to have cable, you NEED to have a car, you NEED to have internet access. Who the hell has money left over for a luxury like health insurance after all those neccesities? **Fra-gee-lay**, not me! I have a plan though; we NEED to tax the **Fra-gee-lay** out of the working class and the young. Yes, that has solved the retirement problem* and left the future bright for America**! **exluding overwhelming cost on future generations. * exluding all those younger than 45.
and we have been over this a million times, just because you consider those things luxuries doesn't mean that they are. some people NEED those things. now, that aside, 64% of american households have discretionary income. of those 64%, 78% of those people are those that are making over $100,000. so, those making less than 100,000 a year are left with little or no discretionary income. that leaves a lot of people without the means to pay for anything other than necessities [housing, utilities, taxes and food]. with so many companies either not offering health insurance or rates being ridiculously high, how exactly are people supposed to afford insurance?
blue disaster owns the key to my ♥
"most likely to menstruate pimp juice: saddy." ~ stuffofepics
knucklefold.com
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 07:11 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
SaugusHagar
SwimGiant
Posts: 9247
Registered: 04-06-2006
Message 37 of 244
Viewed 806 times
|
|
Reply to gheelnory
- Message ID#: 1843999
I wasn't trying to diminute their potential or worth, I was attempting to illustrate the point of view of a self employed person my father is a self employed carpenter who makes more money in his business than he ever had in the three simultanious crap jobs he worked to support the five of us while growing up
the original man in black
may you find heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. Cheers!
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 07:43 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
mthor
SwimWarrior
Posts: 3153
Registered: 11-02-2004
Message 38 of 244
Viewed 804 times
|
|
Reply to Glodson
- Message ID#: 1843073
Glodson wrote:
Yes, that 60 year old lady featured is just being lazy and weak. She should just suck it up and play hurt. What's wrong with this country where we coddle little old ladies with bad joints? She should be out there making more money to pay for medicine that makes her life bearable.
Sure, she could do some research and she might find a insurer that would cover her expensive medicine that she needs to make use of her hands. Sure she enters a mine field, looking for that one insurer that will help cover her expenses so that she can continue to eat. But she really should just get a second job and not worry about insurance.
She'd have better luck finding a lepruchan so that she could steal his pot of gold to by her meds. Thanks to the tier system most prescription plans employ, it's a total crap shoot as to whether you get the medication that's prescribed for you or some other medication that may or may not be as effective, but is on the plan's formulary.
When the Rapture comes, can I have your car?
"None of us are saints." -- Albert Fish
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 07:57 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Man_or_Astroman
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 12270
Registered: 03-02-2004
Message 39 of 244
Viewed 808 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843933
sleepyirv wrote:
MoA- the most moral man in America.
I got me some numbers to back up my case... so where's your source?
Wanting people to be independant is imoral now. I lol everytime I come here. Your study doesn't give specifics on what people spend their money on. I even checked the consumer reports website and it doesn't give any details. God, Jesvs, Buddah, Allah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Darwin save you from the financial plight that is heading our way because of the entitlement programs the citizens of this nation feel they are due. Now, because of the "big bad insurance companies(tm)," we are some how due more financial burden to help fund peoples medical expenses who have no fiscal responibility.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 08:00 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 40 of 244
Viewed 800 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1844075
So..... you have no evidence.
Really, you're just embarassing yourself now.
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 08:42 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
The_last_summoner
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 13492
Registered: 08-19-2005
Message 41 of 244
Viewed 787 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1844087
sleepyirv wrote:
So..... you have no evidence.
Really, you're just embarassing yourself now.
I thought that started weeks ago.
It failed the grand Reagan experiment failed accept it and move the fuuuuuudge on.
You can only take the high road for so long, follow it too much and you will fall off the eventual cliff.
Your going to hell, but don't worry Hell is a sinner paradise where as heaven is just boring.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 09:52 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
LaMont_Sanford
SwimWarrior
Posts: 4235
Registered: 05-31-2007
Message 42 of 244
Viewed 780 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1843746
Man_or_Astroman wrote:I know they can't afford it. I have been saying it all along. We all know you NEED to have a cell phone, you NEED to have cable, you NEED to have a car, you NEED to have internet access. Who the hell has money left over for a luxury like health insurance after all those neccesities? **Fra-gee-lay**, not me!
And what if they don't have any of those, and still can't afford health insurance, even if they work a full time job? What about your Strawman Argument then?
I have a plan though; we NEED to tax the **Fra-gee-lay** out of the working class and the young. Yes, that has solved the retirement problem* and left the future bright for America**!
Source? I mean beside the cobwebs of your addled mind. You know you can't hyperlink to it, don't you?
**exluding overwhelming cost on future generations. * exluding all those younger than 45.
Is that how all of those other countries pay less than us, but get better care? Do tell.
I Haul Junk."All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’s how far the world is from where I am: just one bad day"... - The Joker, from The Killing Joke "Time Wounds all Heels" - John Lennon
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 10:01 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Glodson
Owl Knight
Posts: 33809
Registered: 07-13-2003
Message 44 of 244
Viewed 753 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1844075
Just one question: how the hell are you supposed to get around in this country with no car? Ever tried the pedestrian/mass transit thing? It don't work so well in most places.
For most, a car isn't a luxury, it is a necessity. Most don't have the time to screw around with mass transit. And walking is just about out of the option considering all the obstacles put in your way. Try walking to work for a week. Unless you are within 1 mile of your job, you are not going to like it.
Then try getting a bus or something. Unless you live in a major city, you better budget about 20 minutes extra. At least. I can grant you the cell phone. But I think that the landlines are becoming the luxury. And I'll even grant you the internet and cable.
But the car, look around. You kinda need it. Besides, I've known several people down on the lower end of the specturm. Working as a server, I have met many people in the Kitchen and even in the Front, that make very little money. And they have insurance because they are lucky. Our job helps to provide them that.
Now go and ask the cashier struggling to get onto her feet about her insurance and what luxury items she has. Go ask the man working 60 hours a week to get his small business off the ground about how affordable, and how great the coverage is, of most private insurers. The system is broken.
Things you need to live shouldn't be denied because you are at an economical disadvantage. You shouldn't have to risk losing your house because you have to choose between your child's health and your mortgage. This is a sad state of affairs. Sure, there's some people that forgo the insurance so they can afford things outside their means. I know a few, they want to save that 30 bucks a pay period. They are always single and young. They don't care.
But I don't know one mother or father that goes without the insurance provided by our work. And they pay 125 dollars every two weeks just to make sure they can afford their kid's medical bills. Some families don't even get the chance to have that, and I doubt they are surfing the internet on a highspeed connection while texting someone on their cell phone. And I doubt they have a car they trust. The only good insurance you are going to find is that which your work may afford you the chance to have.
And many cost conscious companies provide it only in writing, they have ways of keeping people out.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 10:27 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
The_Entertainer
SwimIcon
Posts: 11602
Registered: 06-12-2005
Message 45 of 244
Viewed 744 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1843070
Can't afford health insurance. Paying for it in the long run.
The story of my dad.
And grandpa.
And aunt.
And cousin-in-law.
And friend.
And neighbor.
...
S**t **Fra-gee-lay**.
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 11:51 AM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
gheelnory
SwimMerperson
Posts: 20873
Registered: 08-30-2004
Message 46 of 244
Viewed 725 times
|
|
Reply to SaugusHagar
- Message ID#: 1844066
SaugusHagar wrote:
my father is a self employed carpenter who makes more money in his business than he ever had in the three simultanious crap jobs he worked to support the five of us while growing up
That's good, and I think there are many such stories. But when someone goes into business for himself, he may not instantly have enough spare cash to pay for insurance (which is typically several hundred dollars a month). It could take months or even years to build a business--especially an innovative business. So what I'm saying is that for anyone (not you, necessarily) to say 'if people don't have insurance they just need to find another occupation' is to ignore a big chunk of people who are doing something that many would consider to be good for this nation---they are innovating and taking a chance on possibly creating new industries. To just dismiss that, and to discourage that by saying that everyone should play it safe and make employment choices based solely on whether they can provide health coverage for their families, seems sorta....anti-American in a way.
I don't know how he does it but he lives like a king and he dallies and he gathers and he plucks and he shines,
And when the man dances certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir,
When the man dances, certainly, boys, what else? The piper pays him! Yessssir, Yessssir…
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 01:34 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 48 of 244
Viewed 687 times
|
|
Reply to The_Entertainer
- Message ID#: 1844174
The_Entertainer wrote:
And friend.
You only have one? Gheel- it's ironic, that what's considered part of the American spirit, innovation and progression (in science or business) is being fought tooth and claw by the friend of business, the G.O.P.
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 04:42 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
Man_or_Astroman
SwimPartTimer
Posts: 12270
Registered: 03-02-2004
Message 49 of 244
Viewed 685 times
|
|
Reply to sleepyirv
- Message ID#: 1844087
sleepyirv wrote:
So..... you have no evidence.
Really, you're just embarassing yourself now.
What is really embarassing is that you make a claim that people really can't afford health insurance based on what one article says that gives no specifics on what people are spending on luxuries. Furthermore, there is no information on the sourced website (consumer reports).
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 04:48 PM
|
|
|
|
|
Re: Funny story about health insurance
|
|
sleepyirv
SwimHELPeR
Posts: 37209
Registered: 02-27-2004
Message 50 of 244
Viewed 671 times
|
|
Reply to Man_or_Astroman
- Message ID#: 1844271
It's going to be in the next issue.
And studies really can't guess what questions they need to put in to satisfy MoA.
So......... any evidence?
"They couldn't shoot an elephant at this distance" - John Sedgwick, right before being shot. Battle of Spotsylvania, May 9, 1864.
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject" - Winston Churchill
"Poor Capablanca! Thou wert a brilliant technician, but no philosopher. Thou wert not capable of believing that in chess, another style could be victorious than the absolutely correct one." - Max Euwe
|
|
|
|
12-05-2007 04:51 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
