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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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ShadowGuy6
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Reply to lucyinthesky16
- Message ID#: 54770
I caught part of The Invisible Hand of Fate today and I noticed that after the OCI/GI Joe montage, when Shore Leave and the other Village People OSI come in: The OSI doesn't even believe in the Guild at that time, they're only worried about Sphinx. I have a feeling that will come into play later.
"Oh yeah, you can never have enough precision in your soup". S.H.O.T.T.S. #69 "See? You could pull that trigger, but you totally wouldn't want to"
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10-20-2009 01:05 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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taigawithapen
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Reply to lucyinthesky16
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I was wondering that to. Another thing Im really curious about is how the heck did Brock get that golden dagger in order to kill the Hitler dog? Unless I missed something (which is very far inside the realm of possibility) I feel like we aren't getting the full story.
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10-20-2009 01:08 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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lucyinthesky16
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Reply to ShadowGuy6
- Message ID#: 54773
ShadowGuy6 wrote:
I caught part of The Invisible Hand of Fate today and I noticed that after the OCI/GI Joe montage, when Shore Leave and the other Village People OSI come in: The OSI doesn't even believe in the Guild at that time, they're only worried about Sphinx. I have a feeling that will come into play later.
and Sphinx dissapears around the same time that they find out about The Guild....at least i assume so. so...it is possible that Sphinx was working for the Guild, OR had their thunder stolen by the Guild, and are working against them.
"give yourself over to absolute pleasure..."
dethklok roadie #175
"your hands are so cold"
"And yet hell is so HOT!!!"
F**k Edward Cullen, Alex DeLarge is the REAL bad boy of literature.
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10-20-2009 01:09 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Mummified
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Reply to taigawithapen
- Message ID#: 54775
Dean said he lost it at the begining of the episode, scene #2 i believe. Sgt. Hatred asks him if he killed Hitler yet. Timeline wise: That's right before Brock saves Hank and kills Hitler, the dog. Given Brock's prowess, Dean wouldn't be a very hard target to pick pocket.
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10-20-2009 01:53 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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TwentyFourLives
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Reply to Mummified
- Message ID#: 54669
JOKES & REFERENCES (please add if you have more) COLD OPEN *"The Human Torch" and "The Angel" (and all the other titles) are stories from Marvel Comics #1. *the "shrapnel" the doctors mention is Helper's head. *Orpheus is wearing robes and holding a staff similar to Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark, in the scene where the Nazis open the Ark. *Orpheus tells Dean "Don't look no matter what happens" and the head Nazi screams "It's beautiful." Both are direct quotes from the movie. *the Nazi guards are pierced through the head and chest by lightning, and the head Nazi's face melts, just like in Raiders. By the way, in case you're confused, here's the journey of Marvel Comics #1: *Given by 21 to Dr. Venture: value is $500,000. *Unsealed by Hank who reads it and dogears pages: value drops to $53,000 *Use to clean up Hitler's poop: value drops to $22,000 *Shot by Hank: value drops to $8000. *Chewed on by Hitler/Giant Boy Detective: value drops to $850. *Used as toilet paper by Sgt. Hatred: value drops to $0. FIRST ACT *Hatred's mention of Oswald is a reference to Lee Harvey Oswald, President Kennedy's assassin. *Hank thinks Hitler-clones are cliche. He's thinking of The Boys From Brazil, a 1978 thriller film. *Giant Boy Detective was mentioned in Careers In Science; he also made an appearance in Showdown At Cremation Creek. *Doe mentions Wishbone, a PBS series in which a dog daydreams about being the main character in classic books. *The ending of the Giant Boy Detective story is a reference to Encyclopedia Brown, who solved mysteries the same way. *Hank says Brock "whisked up the chimney with a thumb up his nose," misremembering a classic poem "A Visit From St. Nicholas": "And laying his finger aside of his nose / And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose." *LARP stands for "Live Action Role Playing," a dorkier version of Dungeons And Dragons (and not too different from what the Monarch does, when you think about it). *Orpheus mentions Cesar Millan, aka "The Dog Whisperer," who has a TV show about training dogs. SECOND ACT *Sgt. Hatred is Tony Danza to Hank's Alyssa Milano, a reference to the late-80s TV show Who's The Boss?. Charles In Charge is another TV show from around the same time. THIRD ACT *Molotov mentions the JSO: probably the Jedinica za Specijalne Operacije, the Serbian special police, some of whose leaders are being tried by international courts for political assassinations and warcrimes during the 1990s. *Molotov mentions a mole in the Black Hearts; it turns out, that mole is Hunter. *"Babe Ruthless" is of course a reference to Babe Ruth.
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10-20-2009 02:21 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Balsalm
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Reply to FieryDoom
- Message ID#: 53814
Jackson and Doc outdid themselves with this episode. The writing was great. The episode was too good. It seems like Brock and Hunter are at it again.
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10-20-2009 02:31 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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lonelysith66
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Reply to lucyinthesky16
- Message ID#: 54770
lucyinthesky16 wrote:
BBQ_Kitty wrote:
on my crappy 13" tv it was hard to make out what the pop up at the top was till hank started reading and i realized it was CGC... i cried.
the two friends i was watching it with and i all took a course about comic books (i know, awesome right???) in our college last semester, and when we found out what had actually HAPPENED there was a collective NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! :'(
You tok a course in comice books?! You are the most kick@$$ dude EVER!  Can I be your BFF?!
I live and die by the code of the sith...
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10-20-2009 06:45 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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VictorVenture95
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Reply to InsaneRabidFanGirl_-
- Message ID#: 54703
Czeschnakovich wrote:
InsaneRabidFanGirl_- wrote:
Anyways, I guess with Hatred being with the Ventures confused me, especially when he's seen in the medical jet where Brock had awoken. I don't think it really ever explained why he was there, but I can only gather that the doctors got rid of the pedophilia and that's why he's able to act as the Venture bodyguard in place of Brock.
At the end of last season Hatred asks General Treister for a job right after Brock quits. It looks like he got it. Yes though, the doctors did get rid of the pedophilia on the medijet.
By the way, I loved how they had you thinking the doctors were talking about Brock being a traitor and such until we see them standing over Hatred.
I thought that they were talking about Hunter Gathers, because as far as I know Sgt. Hatred never betrayed the OSI
The Nozzle Is Still Calibrating....
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10-20-2009 06:57 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Mnahttt
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Reply to Majikthise
- Message ID#: 53819
....as far as smaller one time things in this ridiculously complicated (and brilliant!!) episode that stands out. ....I like the "turning a proper noun (Hitler) into a regular noun ("...I guess when everyone hates ya, you fixate on making rotten hitlers" ".....Venture classic! ...actually all of the hitler humor is great. ...for some reason that long dead evil murderous loon has a whole lot of comedic value. seriously. "I love hitler, and hitler loves me!!...", "I can cross stab hitler to death off my list of cool crap I never thought I'd be able to do"..... ( BOOM--yummy! )
....that was MY d*ck.
{ BOOM--yummy! }
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10-20-2009 10:16 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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55
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Reply to FieryDoom
- Message ID#: 54821
FieryDoom wrote:
55 wrote:
Can anyone find any credits on this episode anywhere? I thought I was just overlooking them or tuning them out, but now I'm thinking they're just not there. This is a little upsetting. 
55, the credits are where they've always been, near the end of the episode. after the credits, there's almost a full minute of more episode where they show Brock killing Hitler.
Ah, that's why I couldn't find it on here, I was just looking at the end of the video like an idiot. Sad thing is I've watched the episode twice and I totally acknowledged that both times, then proceeded to forget, haha. Thanks though, Fiery.
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10-20-2009 10:29 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Mnahttt
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Reply to Majikthise
- Message ID#: 53819
after watching that cold opening.... I was sure I was in for a non-sequitor "house of mummies" (which one of my favorites) ....I am so proud that I actually understand that episode. I feel like I just discovered the double helix and cracked the human genome in the same day; I'm very proud of myself. this episode was well worth the wait. --and, they ended up getting tons of stuff in that I never thought I'd see again (Steve Summers & Sasquatch; the unethical surgeon ("...everyone a-wants-a da robot heart"; walking eyes; sphinx; ...and of course: SHORE LEAVE!!!!!!*) Team Venture is the single glistening oasis in the vast endless desert wasteland that is television. I'd say they're heads and tails above the competition, but that would only be accurate if those heads and tails belonged to a stack of Humongoloids standing ontop of each other. keep up the good work!! ...to sum up my feelings about this premiere in 2 simple words: "BOOM--yummy!" *more shore leave. There are 2 "Catclops" icons, but not a single shore leave icon... so i settled with Hunter. also I want shore leave toys, shore leave posters, shore leave T-shirts (...boom, yummy would fit nicely on a turquoise sleaveless shirt... or perhaps a pair of low-cut Euro briefs ...maybe a speedo?)
....that was MY d*ck.
{ BOOM--yummy! }
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10-20-2009 10:43 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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TheMightyMonarch
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Reply to VictorVenture95
- Message ID#: 54814
VictorVenture95 wrote: I thought that they were talking about Hunter Gathers, because as far as I know Sgt. Hatred never betrayed the OSI
If you watch the post-credit scene from The Invisible Hand of Fate then you will see Hatred putting on a Guild ring after he berate/reassigns Brock.
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10-20-2009 10:44 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Mnahttt
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Reply to dazzberry
- Message ID#: 54831
YES! I loved Brock participating in "art therapy" ...and his loving pinch of Sasquatches nose as he warns him about YouTube. ...lol !!! speaking of noses... I keep thinking of things I love about this episode! "...and then he whisked up the chimney, with the thumb of his nose!"
....that was MY d*ck.
{ BOOM--yummy! }
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10-20-2009 10:56 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Mnahttt
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Reply to dazzberry
- Message ID#: 54831
...the only complaint about Hunter: he ruined my Halloween costume! I wanted to dress in his millitary drag with the 5 o'clock shadow and cigarette while yelling at everyone... a constant angry look on my face... whatever. I'm going forward with it anyway ....but then again there's always a Shore Leave costume.... GIVE ME SHORE LEAVE / HOLY DIVER MERCHANDISE!!! TONS OF IT!!!!
....that was MY d*ck.
{ BOOM--yummy! }
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10-20-2009 11:02 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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TheMightyMonarch
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Reply to Mnahttt
- Message ID#: 54837
Mnahttt wrote:
...the only complaint about Hunter: he ruined my Halloween costume! I wanted to dress in his millitary drag with the 5 o'clock shadow and cigarette while yelling at everyone... a constant angry look on my face... whatever. I'm going forward with it anyway ....but then again there's always a Shore Leave costume.... GIVE ME SHORE LEAVE / HOLY DIVER MERCHANDISE!!! TONS OF IT!!!!
Dude i would give you so much credit for rocking the Boots of the Gospel and shouting BOOM-Yummy! all night.
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10-20-2009 11:08 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Czeschnakovich
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Reply to TheMightyMonarch
- Message ID#: 54835
TheMightyMonarch wrote:
VictorVenture95 wrote: I thought that they were talking about Hunter Gathers, because as far as I know Sgt. Hatred never betrayed the OSI
If you watch the post-credit scene from The Invisible Hand of Fate then you will see Hatred putting on a Guild ring after he berate/reassigns Brock.
Yup yup. He jumped ship and joined the enemy. And then, did it again coming back to OSI.... I think he is a very conflicted individual. Also, the first thing they asked was "What should we do when he wakes up?", I think. Which wouldn't make sense if they were talking about Hunter.
Is that the end rushing towards me, or is that the floor?
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10-20-2009 11:10 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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FieryDoom
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Reply to Czeschnakovich
- Message ID#: 54840
Czeschnakovich wrote:
TheMightyMonarch wrote:
VictorVenture95 wrote: I thought that they were talking about Hunter Gathers, because as far as I know Sgt. Hatred never betrayed the OSI
If you watch the post-credit scene from The Invisible Hand of Fate then you will see Hatred putting on a Guild ring after he berate/reassigns Brock.
Yup yup. He jumped ship and joined the enemy. And then, did it again coming back to OSI.... I think he is a very conflicted individual. Also, the first thing they asked was "What should we do when he wakes up?", I think. Which wouldn't make sense if they were talking about Hunter.
I don't think anyone's confused. From the way things look right now, I'd say the OSI is trying to infiltrate all of its rival organizations.
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10-20-2009 11:16 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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lucyinthesky16
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Reply to lonelysith66
- Message ID#: 54813
lonelysith66 wrote:
lucyinthesky16 wrote:
BBQ_Kitty wrote:
on my crappy 13" tv it was hard to make out what the pop up at the top was till hank started reading and i realized it was CGC... i cried.
the two friends i was watching it with and i all took a course about comic books (i know, awesome right???) in our college last semester, and when we found out what had actually HAPPENED there was a collective NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! :'(
You tok a course in comice books?! You are the most kick@$$ dude EVER! Can I be your BFF?!
well i'm a CHICK but thanks!
"give yourself over to absolute pleasure..."
dethklok roadie #175
"your hands are so cold"
"And yet hell is so HOT!!!"
F**k Edward Cullen, Alex DeLarge is the REAL bad boy of literature.
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10-20-2009 11:35 AM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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lucyinthesky16
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Reply to VictorVenture95
- Message ID#: 54814
VictorVenture95 wrote:
Czeschnakovich wrote:
InsaneRabidFanGirl_- wrote:
Anyways, I guess with Hatred being with the Ventures confused me, especially when he's seen in the medical jet where Brock had awoken. I don't think it really ever explained why he was there, but I can only gather that the doctors got rid of the pedophilia and that's why he's able to act as the Venture bodyguard in place of Brock.
At the end of last season Hatred asks General Treister for a job right after Brock quits. It looks like he got it. Yes though, the doctors did get rid of the pedophilia on the medijet.
By the way, I loved how they had you thinking the doctors were talking about Brock being a traitor and such until we see them standing over Hatred.
I thought that they were talking about Hunter Gathers, because as far as I know Sgt. Hatred never betrayed the OSI
He did though, because he used to work for them, and then went to the Guild...I'd call that a betrayal, because he was working as a spy for the Guild while he was at OSI
"give yourself over to absolute pleasure..."
dethklok roadie #175
"your hands are so cold"
"And yet hell is so HOT!!!"
F**k Edward Cullen, Alex DeLarge is the REAL bad boy of literature.
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10-20-2009 11:37 AM
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Mnahttt
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Reply to lucyinthesky16
- Message ID#: 54845
...so you may not be a kick @$$ dude who people want to be BFFs with. ...however now we all want your hand in marriage. (PS: ...will you marry me?)
....that was MY d*ck.
{ BOOM--yummy! }
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10-20-2009 11:43 AM
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peroxwhy_gen
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Reply to TwentyFourLives
- Message ID#: 54795
TwentyFourLives wrote:
JOKES & REFERENCES (please add if you have more) COLD OPEN *"The Human Torch" and "The Angel" (and all the other titles) are stories from Marvel Comics #1. *the "shrapnel" the doctors mention is Helper's head. *Orpheus is wearing robes and holding a staff similar to Belloq in Raiders of the Lost Ark, in the scene where the Nazis open the Ark. *Orpheus tells Dean "Don't look no matter what happens" and the head Nazi screams "It's beautiful." Both are direct quotes from the movie. *the Nazi guards are pierced through the head and chest by lightning, and the head Nazi's face melts, just like in Raiders. By the way, in case you're confused, here's the journey of Marvel Comics #1: *Given by 21 to Dr. Venture: value is $500,000. *Unsealed by Hank who reads it and dogears pages: value drops to $53,000 *Use to clean up Hitler's poop: value drops to $22,000 *Shot by Hank: value drops to $8000. *Chewed on by Hitler/Giant Boy Detective: value drops to $850. *Used as toilet paper by Sgt. Hatred: value drops to $0. FIRST ACT *Hatred's mention of Oswald is a reference to Lee Harvey Oswald, President Kennedy's assassin. *Hank thinks Hitler-clones are cliche. He's thinking of The Boys From Brazil, a 1978 thriller film. *Giant Boy Detective was mentioned in Careers In Science; he also made an appearance in Showdown At Cremation Creek. *Doe mentions Wishbone, a PBS series in which a dog daydreams about being the main character in classic books. *The ending of the Giant Boy Detective story is a reference to Encyclopedia Brown, who solved mysteries the same way. *Hank says Brock "whisked up the chimney with a thumb up his nose," misremembering a classic poem "A Visit From St. Nicholas": "And laying his finger aside of his nose / And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose." *LARP stands for "Live Action Role Playing," a dorkier version of Dungeons And Dragons (and not too different from what the Monarch does, when you think about it). *Orpheus mentions Cesar Millan, aka "The Dog Whisperer," who has a TV show about training dogs. SECOND ACT *Sgt. Hatred is Tony Danza to Hank's Alyssa Milano, a reference to the late-80s TV show Who's The Boss?. Charles In Charge is another TV show from around the same time. THIRD ACT *Molotov mentions the JSO: probably the Jedinica za Specijalne Operacije, the Serbian special police, some of whose leaders are being tried by international courts for political assassinations and warcrimes during the 1990s. *Molotov mentions a mole in the Black Hearts; it turns out, that mole is Hunter. *"Babe Ruthless" is of course a reference to Babe Ruth.
The "Stay gold" line from Brock is a reference to S.E. Hinton's The Outsiders. Brock's a good man. S. E. Hinton AND Shel Silverstein? I'd love to dig through his bookshelves. How nerdy of me to say that.
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10-20-2009 01:02 PM
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The_Spark
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Reply to Peachy_Keen
- Message ID#: 54327
Peachy_Keen wrote:
Hank was hands down the best part of the episode. Love seeing him grow up, even though I have an idea of how he's going to turn out.
If you're implying that Dermott is actually Parallel Universe Future Hank, I'm inclined to agree that it is a distinct possibility. If true, then it's more ammo for the Brock Is Hank's 'Dad' hypothesis. A more whacked-out--and thus more intriuging--hypothesis, however, is that Dermott is Hank's own son from the future. To me, that'd be an outstanding misdirection. Everyone just assumed that when Dermott said his dad was a black ops badass, he was talking about Brock, but who's to say Hank doesn't grow up to be a black ops agent? Remember, at the end of "Buddy System," when Dermott is asked if he met "him," he replies, "Yeah, he was OK. Are you sure he's my real father?" If Dermott knows his dad as Future Badass Special Ops Hank, seeing Hank as a goofball teen would certainly make him skeptical that they were the same person. "Ah, but how did Future Hank's Son (or Future Hank himself) arrive in the present Venture universe?" you may ask. Between the S4 preview trailer's "Dean growing old" scene and the announced discovery of a time machine in the Venture residence (surely, you don't think Publick and Hammer just randomly decided to throw in a line about a time machine, do you?), it's probably pretty safe to expect some time/space bending somewhere during the course of this season. My money is on a desperate Dean's botched attempt to "put everything back the way it was before" via the aforementioned time machine. Instead of going to the past, though, Dean ends up in the future where Dermott (whoever he really is) ends up hitching a ride on the time machine. As Dean tries to find the right moment in time before the events of the end of S3 shattered his life to pieces, he ends up at some earlier point, prior to "Buddy System," and Dermott gets off there.
"You're asleep, quick jerk of the neck, never feel a thing."
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10-20-2009 02:02 PM
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Bartleby
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Reply to FieryDoom
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Oh God, fantastic episode. The Tarantino-esque chronological order and the art direction (comparing Brock to comics, the CGC rating as well as the comic book as a theme) was just astounding. I was floored.
Bartleby, Thread Slayer
"A toilet, you fool! I'm not going to vomit in the woods like a Frenchman!
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Czeschnakovich
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Reply to The_Spark
- Message ID#: 54854
The_Spark wrote:
Peachy_Keen wrote:
Hank was hands down the best part of the episode. Love seeing him grow up, even though I have an idea of how he's going to turn out.
If you're implying that Dermott is actually Parallel Universe Future Hank, I'm inclined to agree that it is a distinct possibility. If true, then it's more ammo for the Brock Is Hank's 'Dad' hypothesis. A more whacked-out--and thus more intriuging--hypothesis, however, is that Dermott is Hank's own son from the future. To me, that'd be an outstanding misdirection. Everyone just assumed that when Dermott said his dad was a black ops badass, he was talking about Brock, but who's to say Hank doesn't grow up to be a black ops agent? Remember, at the end of "Buddy System," when Dermott is asked if he met "him," he replies, "Yeah, he was OK. Are you sure he's my real father?" If Dermott knows his dad as Future Badass Special Ops Hank, seeing Hank as a goofball teen would certainly make him skeptical that they were the same person. "Ah, but how did Future Hank's Son (or Future Hank himself) arrive in the present Venture universe?" you may ask. Between the S4 preview trailer's "Dean growing old" scene and the announced discovery of a time machine in the Venture residence (surely, you don't think Publick and Hammer just randomly decided to throw in a line about a time machine, do you?), it's probably pretty safe to expect some time/space bending somewhere during the course of this season. My money is on a desperate Dean's botched attempt to "put everything back the way it was before" via the aforementioned time machine. Instead of going to the past, though, Dean ends up in the future where Dermott (whoever he really is) ends up hitching a ride on the time machine. As Dean tries to find the right moment in time before the events of the end of S3 shattered his life to pieces, he ends up at some earlier point, prior to "Buddy System," and Dermott gets off there.
Honestly, I don't think the time machine line was more than a joke about Doc's horrible '70's decor. I got a laugh outta that. Also bares mentioning Dermott told 24 he was Brock's son. Durmott - "Would you believe me if I said I was Brock's son?" 24 - "If that were true I don't think I'd catch you so easily." D - "I couldn't run, because, I had a lighter up my butt." 24 - "Okay, NOW I believe you're Hank's friend." I thought Peachy was implying that Dermott was influencing Hank's behavior since they started hanging out. I think Dermott's only supposed to be 16 or so anyways, right?
Is that the end rushing towards me, or is that the floor?
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10-20-2009 02:35 PM
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Henchman22
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OM**Bleep**ingG! These men are geniuses! This episode more or less lays out the path of the season, and yet, while it enlightens a little, it entices more. When we finally get to the end of the season, and rewatch this, there will be so many "how did I not see that coming?" moments! I am so jazzed; I need to lie down.
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10-20-2009 02:42 PM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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ToonDude
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I know you guys idolize the creators of this show so i'm going to try and word this as carefully as I can. *clears throat* I think the whole Dermott thing could go either way. I don't believe they've actually come up with anything as far as revealing who's son he is. *hides behind brick wall*
The best shows are always short lived.
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10-20-2009 02:46 PM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Ebon
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I got bored, so I did my best attempt to order the clips chronologically. I figure you guys must have gone over all this stuff already, but I'll do it anyway. Episode takes place in an about an eight month span, since the Nazis gave Dr. Venture eight months to clone Hitler. It gets a bit messy because they didn't cut them the way that would have worked best, so some things may be in there twice. Also, I don't know what the spoiler policy is in here, my description for the links are pretty out in the open about the plot.
End of season 3 with the car explosion, plus Brock being recovered by OSI
Brock escapes OSI
Hank needs TP
Brock sees the boys for the last time
End of last scene
Nazis pick up dog, Brock sees the doctor.
21 asks Venture to clone 24, Helper's head arrives, CGC counter begins.
Nazis enlist Venture to clone Hitler
21 returns with X-1, asks to see Dr, Orpheus
Continuation of last scene
Brock leaves Steve and Sasquash
Brock attacks Black Hearts
Brock in SPINX captivity
Sgt. Hatred trying to get the boys to trust him
Hatred, Orpheus and the boys getting ready for the fight against Nazis
Linking this first one again, because it shows Dr. Venture in Nazi captivity
Hitler is killed
There are probably some mistakes if anyone wants to fix them/point them out for me. for me.
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10-20-2009 03:05 PM
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NIRVANA
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really cool episode, i just hope that not every episode isn't so crowded
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10-20-2009 03:06 PM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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FieryDoom
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ToonDude wrote:
I know you guys idolize the creators of this show so i'm going to try and word this as carefully as I can. *clears throat* I think the whole Dermott thing could go either way. I don't believe they've actually come up with anything as far as revealing who's son he is. *hides behind brick wall*
I don't think he's necessarily Brock's son either. *doesn't hide behind brick wall*
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10-20-2009 03:07 PM
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Re: Blood of the Father, Heart of Steel Discussion
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Czeschnakovich
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I'll grant that there's a possibility he's not Brock's son, but I don't think he's future Hank, or future Hank's son. Basically, until shown otherwise I'm assuming he is the son of Brock.
Is that the end rushing towards me, or is that the floor?
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10-20-2009 03:32 PM
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barlitone
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This isn't the first time that the Venture Bros. have dealt with time travel. Why, Grover Cleveland's very own Presidential Time Machine makes an appearance in Are You There, God? It's Me, Dean.
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10-20-2009 03:41 PM
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The_Spark
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Czeschnakovich wrote:
Honestly, I don't think the time machine line was more than a joke about Doc's horrible '70's decor. I got a laugh outta that. Also bares mentioning Dermott told 24 he was Brock's son. Durmott - "Would you believe me if I said I was Brock's son?" 24 - "If that were true I don't think I'd catch you so easily." D - "I couldn't run, because, I had a lighter up my butt." 24 - "Okay, NOW I believe you're Hank's friend." I thought Peachy was implying that Dermott was influencing Hank's behavior since they started hanging out. I think Dermott's only supposed to be 16 or so anyways, right?
Doe says,"...but I think I found your dad's time machine." It appears to be a joke in the context, i.e., he didn't actually find it and was making a crack about the furniture, but that seems like a purposeful reveal that Dr. Venture does, in fact, have one. Dermott's words to 24 do bear mention, but there's a big difference between the question he asked and actually saying, "I'm Brock's son." If Dermott is from the future, and Hank goes on to become the Brock Samson of his generation, it would be a sensible comparison for him to make, much more so than saying, "Would you believe me if I told you I'm the son of a kick-butt secret agent from the future, who happens to be Hank?" [EDIT:] Even if you take that exchange at face value and Dermott's father really is Brock, that still leaves the door WIDE open to the possibility that Dermott is Hank himself from the future, some time after he learns Brock is his father/cloned DNA source. That's gotten to be one of the great things about Publick & Jackson's writing since they started doing the really involved story arcs. Few things are stated concretely enough to not leave a path out in any particular direction. I do feel pretty safe in saying that 1) Dermott and Hank's relationship is leading up to a big reveal of some type, even if it's "just" that they're half-brothers, and 2) The way they're playing Dean's "breakdown" so over the top means it's going to trigger something big down the road. Message Edited by The_Spark on 10-20-2009 04:07 PM
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igotsmeakabob
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Doe saying that he found Rusty's time machine was just a reference to retro decor of Rusty's bedroom.
-The only man who is really free is the one who can turn down an invitation to dinner without giving an excuse.
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-How do they rise up?
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10-20-2009 04:20 PM
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JediMasterSolo
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inhumanrampager wrote:
I coulda sworn Hunter had actual boobs implants. WTF happened with that?
Yeah, I'm a little lost there too. If Hunter was stripping and Brock had to reach into "his" "crevice", as it were, to retrieve the passport and such, how exactly does it work that he never had a sex change? I have the feeling that the idea of him not having had a sex change came up well after the end of season 3, and we're just not supposed to think about it too much, like the other mild inconsistencies that pop up.
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10-20-2009 07:21 PM
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Mummified
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igotsmeakabob wrote:
Doe saying that he found Rusty's time machine was just a reference to retro decor of Rusty's bedroom.
this! Some people are looking too far into this subject. It was a 1 liner aimed at the decor. Personally I think the interaction between Brock and Dermott in Jr. Venture Kid's Club episode would draw a conclusion that there is something more there. The comment Dermott voices to his mother at the end of that episode is more of a reinforcement to the line of thought that he is Brock's son. Possibly one of the many one night stand's Brock has had in his career traveling the globe for OSI. But then Jackson and Doc may just be jerking our chain in a continual loop, which time-travel enables writers to set up surprises on the viewer. I wouldn't put anything past them in the context of this thread of time. More to come... Message Edited by Mummified on 10-20-2009 07:25 PM
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10-20-2009 07:25 PM
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JediMasterSolo
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Henchwoman24 wrote:
And I got SOOOOOO teary eyed when 21 was willing to even be the FATHER of clone 24!! ;_____; so... beautiful
And speaking of minor inconsistencies, does it bother anyone else that 21 and 24 had worked together for years and were best friends, but somehow never saw one another out of costume untill the season two opener at therapy? This has bothered me ever since it aired, especially when next episode 24 picks up 21 at his house, and refers to 21's mom by name.
Read Bimbos of the Death Sun, by Sharyn McCrumb. You'll thank me.
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10-20-2009 07:34 PM
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Mummified
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JediMasterSolo wrote:
inhumanrampager wrote:
I coulda sworn Hunter had actual boobs implants. WTF happened with that?
Yeah, I'm a little lost there too. If Hunter was stripping and Brock had to reach into "his" "crevice", as it were, to retrieve the passport and such, how exactly does it work that he never had a sex change? I have the feeling that the idea of him not having had a sex change came up well after the end of season 3, and we're just not supposed to think about it too much, like the other mild inconsistencies that pop up.
Well you have to remember that this episode covers the span of approximately 8 months. Given the nazies stuck to their deadline for Rusty to clone a baby Hitler. Given the fact that the same surgeon that did Hunter's original sex change is now a part of SPHINX and in on the situation the entire time. A retro sugery isn't beyond the realm of possiblities. Now if you wonder how could that happen so fast. Remember that Jackson said that we are only seeing only a few days of these people's lives at a time. Basiclly piecemeal relevations about the principals involved. Given that, Molotov did shoot Brock and sent him several floors south into a palm tree that generously cushioned his fall to the concrete. The next time we see him there is no bandage or open wound, just ropes around his naked frame. Given his metabolism, and the fact that SPHINX has its own in house surgeon, he healed fast in the Surgeon's good care. Meanwhile the Surgeon could have easily reverted Hunter to his original state during this time. All of this occuring in the time frame supplied by the Nazi's deadline to Dr. Venture. (which is the only piece of information about the duration of time this episode covers.) But that's just my theory. Message Edited by Mummified on 10-20-2009 07:38 PM
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55
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That bothered me at first, but now it just seems hilarious. Just because they hadn't seen each other out of costume doesn't mean they didn't hang out outside of the job. They just wore their costumes every time because they're total losers.  But also, I think we kind of see them develop their relationship during the course of the show. I wouldn't assume it was prexisting, just brought about by the fact that they always happened to be working together. Also, for all of you saying Dermott isn't necessarily Brock's son, I think the Tears of a Sea Cow episode makes it pretty obvious that he is. He both implies and states that he's Brock's son. You can't really argue with that. Message Edited by 55 on 10-20-2009 07:47 PM
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JediMasterSolo
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Peachy_Keen wrote:
Also, we should all clearly start a LARP wolf pack.
Was anyone else reminded of Role Models (far funnier than it looked) and LAIRE? I don't think the timing works for it to be intentional, but I laughed.
Read Bimbos of the Death Sun, by Sharyn McCrumb. You'll thank me.
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FieryDoom
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55 wrote:
Also, for all of you saying Dermott isn't necessarily Brock's son, I think the Tears of a Sea Cow episode makes it pretty obvious that he is. He both implies and states that he's Brock's son. You can't really argue with that.
I'm Barack Obama's long lost son.
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