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Explosivo_420
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watched the movie last night

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I feel like I was a little disappointed.

 

I mean, I watched the whole **BOO** thing and it didn't exactly add up like it always did in my head these past couple of years.

spoilers below to those who haven't seen it I guess

 

Spoiler

To me, It seemed like the purpose of the show in the first couple of episodes was a mouse doing jobs for a shark.

 

Then it got all puzzle-y and crazy and Fitz and crew are constantly getting seperated and re-united. And then Amalockh awakens.

 

 

And then the corndroid and the bow-tie armies are unleashed and it seems like RBM and Shark are just trying to prevent total meltdown while Fitz and them are escaping.

 

 

AND THEN mouse just wakes up in that lab. For some reason the "siren" lady and Peanut Cop are there in human form and kill RBM and Shark (in human form)

 

 

 

 

How did those two get seperated from the imaginary world? Why where they "just there" and how did they know to kill those two guys?

Why were those two guys even doing all this?

 

Why didn't Fitz get freed from the imaginary world? Why is he left to wander it with no enemies anymore? what is he gonna do now?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need to still watch the webisode, so, maybe that would answer alot of questions.

 

Yet, it just seemed to me that they had an idea to make it all coded, and then at the end just threw out some crazy ending and expected us to just keep thinking about it until we can manufacture some kind of satisfying ending in our heads.

 

 

I dunno.



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Re: watched the movie last night

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First thing...

You'll probably be told to spoiler tag this (in some way)

 

Second: I created a thread about "The Ending" that might answer your inquiry... sort of (it's just stupid hypotheticals)

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oh sh-ite

you already made one of these :smileyvery-happy:

that's a better thread, coaster or duzi, you can merge this into that if you'd like.

but I like your Matrix analogy, Dirty.



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Yeah, it was the most relatable thing present enough in culture for most (if not everyone) to be able to easily parallel with. I really like the idea of it being more about Descartes ranting about being brains in jars than it being a Matrix take off, though.

 

Also, I don't think this completely needs to be merged, as I came here thinking this might tell me something more about the movie (as in, 'Oh, this thread won't be treating the show episodically)

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either way it's cool.

 

 

I'll have to read up on this Descartes guy



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I'm sure you are familiar with at least one thing he did:

Cogito ergo sum- I think therefore I am.

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I don't think this thread needs to be merged. Mouse is at a point where each person's interpretation is deserving of its own thread I think. duzi has the final say but I'm gonna leave it.

 

It's been discussed a little bit before that the movie takes away from some of the impact that the episodes had. A lot of that is probably because when one episode aired per week, fans had the chance to fill in a lot of the blanks on their own. Personally, I am not upset that the pieces don't fit together perfectly.  Wasn't half the fun in this show trying to get the pieces to fit together anyway?  After watching a few more times myself, I think it's astounding that even now I can come up with different analyses and theories for what might be happening.  I'll discuss the rest of your points under the spoiler tag:


Explosivo_420 wrote:

 

Spoiler

To me, It seemed like the purpose of the show in the first couple of episodes was a mouse doing jobs for a shark.

 

I feel like this is the way RBM and Shark originally wanted it to be--just Mouse doing odd jobs for the Shark. Why?  Who knows--it doesn't really matter.  (Perhaps the plan was for Mouse to execute the farming of the asprind fields.  Just a thought.)  But then Mouse finds Roostre's homing corn dog and all hell breaks loose.  Clearly Roostre and Liquor know far more about Mouse's situation than Mouse does.  Basically Shark and RBM's well laid out plans (whatever they were) had to be sped up when Mouse started talking to people and having flashbacks.

 

Then it got all puzzle-y and crazy and Fitz and crew are constantly getting seperated and re-united. And then Amalockh awakens.

 

With all of the bizarre things that happen in this show, the Amalockh thing is what made the least sense.  Why in the world was Amalockh even in the show?  I made a thread about Pronto and Amalockh not too long ago.  It should still be on the first page.

 

And then the corndroid and the bow-tie armies are unleashed and it seems like RBM and Shark are just trying to prevent total meltdown while Fitz and them are escaping.

 

No doubt that Fitz's adventures were screwing up RBM and Shark's plans.  Mouse's flashbacks seem to spell out that RBM and Shark (and really Shadowy Figure) are trying to control minds.  Fitz, being the rat mouse bastard that he is, starts to figure things out, and he is none too pleased when it looks like his memories and his past had been erased.

 

AND THEN mouse just wakes up in that lab. For some reason the "siren" lady and Peanut Cop are there in human form and kill RBM and Shark (in human form)

How did those two get seperated from the imaginary world? Why where they "just there" and how did they know to kill those two guys?

Why were those two guys even doing all this?

 

If you recall, the humanoid RBM orders the nurse to inject something or another, when the nurse responds "Sir, that will kill him."  Evidently that was enough of a reason for the nurse and Peanut Cop to kill RBM and Shark.  Of course there must be more to the story than that.  Remember when RBM put the Shadowy Figure in a jar?  Perhaps something analogous happened in the lab--maybe RBM tried to take over the experiment from the Shadowy Figure for his own nefarious plans.  Then when RBM tries to order Fitz killed, it was a bridge too far for the Nurse and Peanut Cop.  One can only speculate.

 

Why didn't Fitz get freed from the imaginary world? Why is he left to wander it with no enemies anymore? what is he gonna do now?

 

In the lab, Fitz barely comes to when hooked up to the machines.  Presumably he falls unconscious again, without RBM and Shark controlling his world.  At the very end, the Shadowy Figure escapes from his jar, probably intent on starting over.

 

I need to still watch the webisode, so, maybe that would answer alot of questions.

 

It doesn't.

 

Yet, it just seemed to me that they had an idea to make it all coded, and then at the end just threw out some crazy ending and expected us to just keep thinking about it until we can manufacture some kind of satisfying ending in our heads.

 

I don't remember exactly what happened, but I think AS pulled the plug on Mouse with only a few episodes to go.  So that would explain the rush to an ending (I agree--it was rushed).  Just like everything else that happened, the creators left it up to the viewer to figure out what significance the ending has.  There's not a lot to work with--much of the mystery surrounding Muff and Q109 went unresolved.  Who knows what Matt M. and co. might have done with more episodes.  But we get what we get and that's all that we get.


 

I think this show is more art than TV program.  The show itself--with poorly drawn sketches and backgrounds--was audacious to begin with, and the on-the-surface lack of a point begs the viewer to look more closely at the details.  The abstractness of the ending only seems to reinforce this idea, as it did not wrap up the series, but only raised more questions.  When one finds him/herself wondering what the creators could be thinking instead of simply taking in the characters and plot development, you know you're not dealing with the normal kind of TV show.  While the show is wildly entertaining once you get buried in the details, the best part of 12 Oz. Mouse is not the show itself, but filling in the blanks.  That is truly unique, as the casual observer might write such a show off as being "bad."  If you don't pay close attention, and you don't have an open mind, you have no shot with this show.  Be proud that you took the time to try to understand, as you now find yourself rewarded for your efforts.

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ya know

I do feel better for having watched it again.


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ha, i read this thread when it first posted..
and thought the same thing.
aint no need for a merge.
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I'm watching it now, and it's always how I imagined it to be...again.
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There's a 12 ounce mouse movie?

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Descartes....like in the politician?

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westpark wrote:

There's a 12 ounce mouse movie?


WS put all the episodes on 2 discs..
they created addition scenes to help merge the episodes into a seamless movie.
its realy neat to watch it uninterrupted (there is an intermission .. you gotta change the dvd, lol)

if you want the series in episode form, you can always buy it from Itunes..
they have all the episodes seperate and they include the opening and ending credits.
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