Babbling

[Astromang]

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Astromang wrote:

http://www.businessinsider.com/justice-department-obama-executive
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The Oversight Committee is demanding previously undisclosed documents about the DOJ's response to Fast and Furious, a gunrunning operation in which U.S. agents allowed guns to "walk" across the border and into the hands of Mexico's drug cartels. 

Holder has so far declined to turn over the documents, and an attempt to break the stalemate failed last night after Issa rejected Holder's offer to brief members of Congress on those documents. Obama's executive privilege order will protectthe Fast & Furious documents from being subpoenaed by Congress.

So, want to try having a real conversation now that you know what is going on?

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Quick lesson on the English language. Documents is plural. There are no documents at all being turned over. Did you not read what is posted?

[The_Pirate-King]

hahahaha wow, Astro.

[Crapshot3]

then it is a mistake on there part because it is just 1 document.

[Master-Debater131]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

and that is the 1 document that is classified that he can not release because it would be against the law because it was made classified. he has declined to release them because it would be against the law to do so because it is classified

seriously what do you not understand about this.

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So if there is only 1 document that is classified then why are they refusing to turn over the rest of the thousands of pages related to Fast and Furious?

And for that matter, why didnt Holder agree to the offer from Issa where he said they would have a closed door meeting(IE: No media or leaks) to discuss the classified material?  Which, by the way, has happened before under both Democratic and Republican administrations.  

[Crapshot3]

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Master-Debater131 wrote:

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Crapshot3 wrote:

and that is the 1 document that is classified that he can not release because it would be against the law because it was made classified. he has declined to release them because it would be against the law to do so because it is classified

seriously what do you not understand about this.

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So if there is only 1 document that is classified then why are they refusing to turn over the rest of the thousands of pages related to Fast and Furious?

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because they had turned them all over 

again, you really should know the terms of what you are debating or else you will look liek a complete fool

[Master-Debater131]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

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Master-Debater131 wrote:

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Crapshot3 wrote:

and that is the 1 document that is classified that he can not release because it would be against the law because it was made classified. he has declined to release them because it would be against the law to do so because it is classified

seriously what do you not understand about this.

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So if there is only 1 document that is classified then why are they refusing to turn over the rest of the thousands of pages related to Fast and Furious?

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because they had turned them all over 

again, you really should know the terms of what you are debating or else you will look liek a complete fool

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Oh im sorry

What were you trying to say again?

I got stuck on how the facts go against everything youve been trying to spin........

140,000 Documents,  7,600 actually turned over. 

[Crapshot3]

at that time. 

so nice of you to show edited clips that do not show the entier story.

seriously, are you so happy to show completely edited sorces as your sorce? why did he withhold them, I don't know because he can not defend that in that clip because it is edited.

[Master-Debater131]

You have Holder himself admitting that there are 140,000 documents and that he has turned over only 7,600 of them and yet somehow your trying to say thats not whats going on..........


Either you work for MSNBC or your on the payroll for Obama because.....wow......

[Crapshot3]

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Master-Debater131 wrote:


You have Holder himself admitting that there are 140,000 documents and that he has turned over only 7,600 of them and yet somehow your trying to say thats not whats going on..........

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stop the partisan #### BS. that youtube is clearly edited, you don't hear ANY defence on holders side, any. none, zero, zilch.

 anyway, obama has just classified one document, the cometee has complete access over every other document. so stop playing partisan BS. you are trying to /*get* obama when he has done no wrong.

and you don't know what the fuuuuuudge MSNBC is even covering, so pelase shut your stupid mouth

[Master-Debater131]

Well would you look at this

Its a 10 minute video of the testimony of Holder complete with Holders waffling on questions and interference by Democrats.  

Holder only turned over 7,600 documents out of 140,000

And if a single document is classfied then why are the other 130,000+ not being turned over as requested by a legal Congressional request?

[Crapshot3]

no it isn't, it's edited to cut out the last bit of him defending himself

also no one here is saying a real trial should be done. but saying that obama is up to no good  because he held 1 document classified(as explaned many times, the document is actually how the administration found out something was going wrong) is just dumb.

[Astromang]

Pretty much no use in arguing. People would be defending this nonsense even if it were about Holder molesting kids. This nonsense symantic argument that somehow it's ok to withold one document is completely stupid. Like I said earlier, it's grasping at the smallest of straws left, and it's hypocritical for people to be demanding an investigation, but at the same time saying that some of these documents shouldn't be released.

[Master-Debater131]

Wow.

I love how your argument has been blown so far out of the water that you have to resort to saying "BUT BUT! LOOK! FILM! EDIT!!!"
Lets just ignore the fact that your entire argument got blown out of the water in the first few minutes of that video where he admits to turning over a grand total of 7,600 documents out of over 100,000.


Oh and nice job following up your plea for "civility" in the politics threads by telling me to "shut up" not just once, but twice.

[Master-Debater131]

Its amusing at least. Im always amazed at how far the left will go to try to defend their guys. The facts are all there as big as the freaking Empire State Building and yet.......

[OOPSIEDAY]

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Cepheus84 wrote:
You're really a piece of work, aren't you? If I only mention the Border Patrol agent I'm a racist who only cares about Americans being killed, if I mention Mexicans I'm still a racist cynically exploiting the brown people south of the border for political gain.

I'm sorry but I'm not playing your games. You can't think outside of your own prejudices and ideological stereotypes.

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Thus we have reached the zenith of the dung heap of irony that is this thread.

[Crapshot3]

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Master-Debater131 wrote:
Its amusing at least. Im always amazed at how far the left will go to try to defend their guys. The facts are all there as big as the freaking Empire State Building and yet.......

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the facts are you don't know what the document really says. the fact is we know what it is about.

ok, you guys are willing to jump to such a conclusion, bush knew about 911, he actually made 911 so we would invade iraq. this is that fuuuuuudgeingstupid.

no one here has suggested there should not be an investigation. what we are saying is jumping on the bandwagon of retardo republican conspiracy that this is somehow some obama secret gun scheme is #### retarded and you are retarded if you think so. it's seriously just as bad as being a truther

[Astromang]

You still don't understand, and I'm not surprised. Issa is subpoenaing the documents that are unreleased, Holder doesn't want to give up the documents for some unknown reason, you start crying that the documents shouldn't be released because of some conspiracy nobody has mentioned except for you.

[Crapshot3]

that is what you are talking about because you want to try to discredit me or whatever crap you have playing in your mind. I am pointing out how #### stupid it is to play this gun control issue.

mr troll

[Astromang]

Nobody is playing the gun control issue except for you...

[SwimMod_Bast]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

so pelase shut your stupid mouth

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This thread does need a civility check.

You all know already. So .. act like it.

[AlternatePeanutcat]

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Astromang wrote:

Nobody is playing the gun control issue except for you...

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Oh, for fuuuuuudge's sake, he's already given you several links about how Fox News and certain GOP congressmen and rightwingnut pundits like Rush Limbaugh are the ones pushing the gun control angle! You're so deep in denial you're in danger of drowning from ignorance . . . . .

[Crapshot3]

those documents are classified and if Holder was to do what Issa said he would be breaking the law.

but then again you don't care for the law. I find it hilarious that you are busting his balls for breaking the law, but want him to break the law anyway.

thats why I wasw saying to masterbator that the footage was edited, because it didn't go into why he could not release the documents. MD wants him to break the law as well. there are ways with dealing with classified documents in an investigation and this is not it.

[Astromang]

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AlternatePeanutcat wrote:

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Astromang wrote:

Nobody is playing the gun control issue except for you...

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Oh, for fuuuuuudge's sake, he's already given you several links about how Fox News and certain GOP congressmen and rightwingnut pundits like Rush Limbaugh are the ones pushing the gun control angle! You're so deep in denial you're in danger of drowning from ignorance . . . . .

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So who in this thread has brought up the gun control argument?

[AlternatePeanutcat]

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AlternatePeanutcat wrote:

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Astromang wrote:

Nobody is playing the gun control issue except for you...

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Oh, for fuuuuuudge's sake, he's already given you several links about how Fox News and certain GOP congressmen and rightwingnut pundits like Rush Limbaugh are the ones pushing the gun control angle! You're so deep in denial you're in danger of drowning from ignorance . . . . .

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http://dyn.politico.com/members/forums/thread.cfm?catid=2&subcati
d=7&threadid=6776262

[Astromang]

So what you're saying is there should be an investigation, but we shouldn't have all the facts. Typical of a leftist like you.