Babbling

[Glodson]

That's the thing. I've been thinking about this, on and off. And I'm really not sure I would do. I would likely have two impulses. First would be to get the man away from my kid and take care of her, make her feel safe and get her help immediately. The other impulse would to exact bloody vengeance on the #### while in a blind rage.

And I really don't know which would win out. And I really don't ever want to find out either.

[DoomsDayDevice]

well, if you knock the dude on the head and bash his skull in, he'll drop like a sand bag.

then you can take care of your kid.

[Glodson]

That's what I'm imagining in the first one. I mean, just getting him out the way quickly is an impulse.

It really is just disturbing to even think about.

[Rasputin0070]

I can't say if I think it's justified or not.  Too many variables and too little information.

That being said though . . .

If I was in the father's position I probably would've done the same thing.

[DoomsDayDevice]

unicorns and rainbows. 

in a poker match.

there.

[crackymckrackin]

I don't think anyone can say what they would or wouldn't do until faced with this situation. As an arm chair quarterback I can say I would probably would have done the same thing this guy did.
Then we would have taken a trip to the pig farm.

[Llama_Fly_Aardvark]

you and buddyroe have both said something along these lines.

i do not understand it.

we should suspend justice and objective thinking when it comes to things that are super upsetting to us?

I mean, i'm not placing blame or judgement on anybody who does. That's an entirely human thing to do, and totally understandable. But does that mean that we *shouldnt* try to keep things in perspective? Arent the times when our deepest emotions are stirred the times when it's most necessary to exercise careful thinking and restraint?

[scoobdog]

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Llama_Fly_Aardvark wrote:

I mean, i'm not placing blame or judgement on anybody who does. That's an entirely human thing to do, and totally understandable. But does that mean that we *shouldnt* try to keep things in perspective? Arent the times when our deepest emotions are stirred the times when it's most necessary to exercise careful thinking and restraint?

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The problem is that a lot of people don't really want to think about all of the ancilliary issues that come with abuse.  The kind of aggression strongly indicates just how difficult it is.

[Krackitty]

This thread is full of people that think too much about crap they can never change.

[scoobdog]

...and people who can't be concerned with some things they CAN change.

[1pooh4u]

He shouldn't go to jail, he didn't mean to kill him and the man was causing
injury to his daughter

[Mjöllnir]

Just because the killer said the victim was molesting his daughter doesn't mean that's the truth.

There should still be a thorough investigation.

[alucardsexyghost]

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Mjöllnir wrote:
Just because the killer said the victim was molesting his daughter doesn't mean that's the truth.

There should still be a thorough investigation.

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She went to the hospital so if there were no signs of molestation I think it would be obvious, but the cop who was interviewed seemed convinced that the guys story was true. So I'm going to say there were probably signs of molestation.

[Mjöllnir]

No signs of molestation?  What does that mean?  Does that mean she had no sperm on her face or torn labia?

The guy wasn't raping the kid.  Sexual assault and rape are two different things.

[alucardsexyghost]

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Mjöllnir wrote:

No signs of molestation?  What does that mean?  Does that mean she had no sperm on her face or torn labia?

The guy wasn't raping the kid.  Sexual assault and rape are two different things.

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We don't know what he was doing to the kid. The article doesn't say. And sexual assault can mean rape.  And all it says about the hospital visit is that she was "OK except for the obvious mental trauma" I mean 4 yeah olds can communicate, at least well enough to know that something traumatic happened to her.

The article also says that when the investigation is over they will be turning it over to the DA so I don't see what the problem is.

http://www.ksn.com/content/news/also/story/Father-kills-molester/
rqhTH2K24EyQdB26LrNYvQ.cspx

here's another article, her brother also witnessed the guy taking the little girl so there is more evidence then just the fathers word.

Also according to another article Texas law allows for use of deadly force to protect a third person from sexual assault.

My only problem is that the different articles are placing the even in different places, like in the house, in a bushy area or in a barn, but that may be the fault of the media and not that the dad is changing stories.

But either way all the articles and news stories I can find say they are doing a investigation and are going to turn it over to a DA and grand jury but that noting in the investigation so far goes against the fathers story. So I don't see a problem they didn't just take the father at his word.

[Mjöllnir]

Well as long as they didn't just take the father's word.

Texas Justice has nothing to do with Justice. Texas Justice has to do with murder and getting away with it.

[katt_goddess]

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Mjöllnir wrote:

No signs of molestation?  What does that mean?  Does that mean she had no sperm on her face or torn labia?

The guy wasn't raping the kid.  Sexual assault and rape are two different things.

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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The sucky thing is that so often the news uses 'sexual assault' as a cleaner, 'nicer' way of reporting that someone was indeed raped and you usually end up having to read for the details just to know which they really meant.

The types of hospital testing for something like this consist of any liquid samples taken, black light inspection with photographs, bleeding injuries noted, photographed, and treated, and for a child this small, photos taken of the girl's arms, legs, back, face, and underwear areas all unclothed to record all bruises and other soft tissue damages that are apparent at the time of admission. It's another level of hell for the child and the parents because the child is too young to understand quite what all is going on but is more than aware that their parents are freaking out and the parents are too old to not know what it all means and are freaking out.

The disclaimer here is that I used to work graphic photography for cops, coroners, and hospitals years ago. Some things may change but most of it stays the same. I've seen so much crap but when the victim is a preschooler, barely out of diapers...I know exactly how that father felt. There is no rational thought in your head at that moment. The rage passes but while it's going, there is no rational thought.

[Krackitty]

I just don't get where some people find the f*cks to give. It's utterly exhausting. I already give too many f*cks about people and stuff that don't deserve them. I just can't bring myself to give any for dead pedos, no matter how or why they got that way. I'm more worried about how bad it's going to hurt me to get out of bed tomorrow since I fell today.

[scoobdog]

I don't think anyone here has actually expressed sympathy for the dead pedo. I know I don't.

Oh, and s uck it up buttercup.

[Krackitty]

I'm trying to poke fun at all the people philophising about a very natural human reaction. Many people will always react that way to such situations and there is nothing that a bunch of people outside of said situation can do about it, no matter how much they think that maybe beating someone to death is an over reaction.

And yeah, I live with more pain every day than a lot of people can imagine, so I think I s*ck it up just fine.

[scoobdog]

Maybe I'm just more curious than most people, but I can't understand why people don't instinctively want to know more about their own natural reactions to things. Well, actually, I guess I can understand but I'd rather that I didn't.

Anyway, seriously, hope you feel better today.

[ricochet_rabbit]

There does become an issue of if it is a "natural reaction" then how can you really punish that? But then, what becomes as a natural reaction and how solid is that of a concept and how justifiable is it as a defense?

[Krackitty]

I think a lot of natural reactions can be controlled. This is extreme provocation and it also put a defenseless child in danger. That's why I think most people can understand giving in the impulse to beat the dudes' face in.

I mean, I can control my natural reaction to punch guys wearing skinny jeans, people that fart while walking in front of me, smokers that throw their butts everywhere, baptists, people wearing too much cologn or perfume, people that crank up the AC in a building when it's 70 degrees outside, aw crap I could go on all day. But yeah, I have never given in to my impulse to hit someone that wasn't attacking me physically. But that it likely because I've never caught anyone doing something so awful.

[anDaibhalsHusair]

That's been argued since recorded history. The willful or negigent death has fewer moral grey areas than nonviolent crimes. As far as I am aware, murder as an Intent has always been frowned upon or punishable by a specific legal code, however exceptions well known and documented.

In cases where a "natural" or understandable reaction that caused a person determined to be under normal states as stable and coherent, was caused to out of character actions by extreme circumstances, is generally where those exceptions are made. The natural reaction Is inherently recognized by the law in cases where the perpetrator isn't prosecuted. But disparities also exist where those under similar circumstances were punished according to strict enforcement of the legal code.

[Llama_Fly_Aardvark]

not really talking about "punishment"

just

wish people wouldn't do things

like advocate mob justice

or

assert that something a guy did on accident

should be done on purpose, each time

just because they feel a certain way

and not because it is actually an appropriate response



oh and also btw

i have no illusion whatsoever

that i'm changing anybody's mind or making any sort of impact on anything

by discussing anything at all on a internet message board

the fuuuuuudges to give come from the fact

that it's an engaging thing to do for me

and if i run out of fuuuuuudges

then I simply stop doing it?