Reply to anDaibhalsHusair - Message ID#: 63546083
02-20-2012 06:25 PM - edited 02-20-2012 06:27 PM
Reply to lunarnoodle - Message ID#: 63796129
02-20-2012 07:16 PM
lunarnoodle wrote:
Taking your temperature before surgery is not mandated by state legislation. It's done at the discretion of your physician.
w-w-haaT? WWAAAAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE!
Reply to fugglesss - Message ID#: 63796521
02-20-2012 08:12 PM
fugglesss wrote:
lunarnoodle wrote:
Taking your temperature before surgery is not mandated by state legislation. It's done at the discretion of your physician.w-w-haaT? WWAAAAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE!
So then, I expect you'd be perfectly fine with rectal probes for men seeking ED medication to make sure their prostates are in good enough shape for them having sex?
Reply to Gaius_Sextus - Message ID#: 63532645
02-20-2012 08:42 PM
We Need Vaginal Ultrasounds So That Mothers Can Remember What Pregnancy Was Like
Reply to fugglesss - Message ID#: 63796521
02-21-2012 02:21 AM
fugglesss wrote:
lunarnoodle wrote:
Taking your temperature before surgery is not mandated by state legislation. It's done at the discretion of your physician.
w-w-haaT? WWAAAAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE!
I don't know what this means.
Reply to lunarnoodle - Message ID#: 63802491
02-21-2012 02:28 AM
lunarnoodle wrote:
fugglesss wrote:
lunarnoodle wrote:
Taking your temperature before surgery is not mandated by state legislation. It's done at the discretion of your physician.
w-w-haaT? WWAAAAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE!I don't know what this means.
Its fuggles talk.
Reply to lunarnoodle - Message ID#: 63802491
02-21-2012 02:43 AM
lunarnoodle wrote:
fugglesss wrote:
lunarnoodle wrote:
Taking your temperature before surgery is not mandated by state legislation. It's done at the discretion of your physician.
w-w-haaT? WWAAAAAAAAAAAPEEEEEE!I don't know what this means.
I think it means she thinks taking your temperature before surgery is codified in law. Cause you know, protocols for all medical procedures are minutely detailed in countless laws, otherwise doctors wouldn't have any idea what they were supposed to do. That's why lawyers and politicians are qualified to be doctors.
Reply to Gaius_Sextus - Message ID#: 63532645
02-21-2012 03:38 AM
Reply to Gaius_Sextus - Message ID#: 63532645
02-21-2012 05:41 AM
I consider it rape, definitely.
Reply to Master-Debater131 - Message ID#: 63803409
02-21-2012 10:03 AM
Reply to lunarnoodle - Message ID#: 63796129
02-21-2012 02:53 PM
Reply to anDaibhalsHusair - Message ID#: 63806943
02-21-2012 03:04 PM
What you said was, " It's not much different than than requiring a person to consent to having their temperature taken before surgery, which is infact meant to check for abnormalities that could complicate the surgery."
It's only not much different if you were required to have your temperature taken by sigmoid colonoscopy before surgery. A transvaginal ultrasound is a little more than "disagreeable." And you could probably sign off on having your temp taken before surgery and still get the surgery.
What makes this rape is that you can't refuse to consent to it and still get the medical procedure you're seeking. Consent and coercion are both part of the definition of rape (as is unwilling penetration with foreign objects), and this is coercion at its most explicit. And saying yes is not consent if you can't say no.
Reply to anDaibhalsHusair - Message ID#: 63806943
02-21-2012 03:12 PM
Reply to GinaSzanboti - Message ID#: 63807087
02-21-2012 03:50 PM
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02-21-2012 07:10 PM
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02-21-2012 07:32 PM
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02-21-2012 07:46 PM
Reply to Master-Debater131 - Message ID#: 63809961
02-21-2012 08:05 PM
Who the fuuuuuudge is mandating contraception for anyone? That's a dishonest argment and you #### well know it.
Reply to Master-Debater131 - Message ID#: 63809961
02-21-2012 08:10 PM
Reply to Master-Debater131 - Message ID#: 63809961
02-21-2012 08:24 PM
Master-Debater131 wrote:
Mandated Contraception.
The amusing thing is you are making the exact same arguments that the Church made when that got enacted via fiat.
The mental hurdles your going through to be outraged at this while not outraged at the contraception and obamacare in general is amusing. '
Contraception is mandated? Since when?
And that isn't applicable. Churches, as group entitites, do not inherently have the same rights as individuals and were never intended to. A church does not have the same right to religious freedom as its individual members do.
Reply to anDaibhalsHusair - Message ID#: 63807641
02-21-2012 09:54 PM
anDaibhalsHusair wrote:
Not really. The reason why it was directed toward the blog, is precisely what's going on in this discussion. We have taken to task to explaining and interpreting the law, the claims, the definitions, and potential ramifications. Where the blog author has many claims, but poor explanation or reasoning for those claims.
I'm just looking at it from more of a debate vantage than any implied sense of vulgarity.
Not really what? Frankly that whole post went over my head. :/
Reply to Master-Debater131 - Message ID#: 63809961
02-21-2012 09:56 PM
Master-Debater131 wrote:
Also the rather amusing thing that the left seem to be willfully ignoring is that the trans-vag ultrasounds arent the only possibility. The doctor could use other ultrasound options available to them. But thats a inconvenient thing to know so we just dont talk about it.........
No, the law under discussion mandates the transvaginal ultrasounds. Which is why it's so beyond the pale.
And requiring any sort of ultrasound, whether the doctor thinks it's necessary or not, is part of the issue.
Reply to GinaSzanboti - Message ID#: 63811683
02-21-2012 11:08 PM
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02-21-2012 11:16 PM
Reply to anDaibhalsHusair - Message ID#: 63813111
02-21-2012 11:24 PM
anDaibhalsHusair wrote:
What's causing frustration for me Is how little It actually matters whether its rape or not, because the definition so far appears to be stretched to include this procedure based on how it makes people 'feel' more than what they can actually prove. Is it rape? Probably. But as far as these states are concerned, its not.
Again: What makes this rape is that you can't refuse to consent to it and still get the medical procedure you're seeking. Consent and coercion are both part of the definition of rape (as is unwilling penetration with foreign objects), and this is coercion at its most explicit. And saying yes is not consent if you can't say no.
It's not just about how it makes you "feel" (as if that were unimportant), but all the aspects of it that fit the legal definition of rape. There's no proof needed when it's written into the law. oO
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