Babbling

[Setsuka]

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DiscoFevers wrote:
Go move to a cabin in the woods without electricity.

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Isn't that where you live?

Or, used to live, now you live inside a school or something.

[DiscoFevers]

No, I was in a crappy apartment building.

[Setsuka]

Yeah, but you lived in one of those states that essentially was a cabin in the woods.

If I recall correctly.

[DiscoFevers]

The state is, this city isn't.


This city is just hell. I describe it as a suburb of nowhere.

[Setsuka]

The city is just a large cabin in the woods.

[Xcaptainco]

Why do people go on and on about North Dakota being some magical land of nymphs and brownies?!

UGH!

Here are some realities!

The only ones getting jobs up there in North Dakota and getting paid darn well are folks who work in oil/energy, trade (Electrical/Plumbling/Welding), commercial truck driving (Especially for the oil fields), and stripping. Yes stripping, a lot of strippers from the Las Vegas area have gone up there. Hey, the boys gotta play after work right?

All other industries are pretty much screwed out of and for the three industries I just listed, lots of experience is required in the job postings! They are just not hiring anybody for any kind of training. This ain't the mother #### gold rush. 

Also, not everybody can strip properly or is beautiful enough for it! Yeah, I said it! Cowards!

There is barely no housing up there. Too much demand, not enough supply. You gots lots of folks who are actually living out in vans, RVs, or, if they are lucky, livng in dorms because their employer (Once again, usually the ones in the oil field) supply it.

Last, but not least, there has been some growing tension between the locals and the new job seeking comers. Nothing violent per se but, it's there.

All I gotta say is:

Yes, there are jobs, and yes, they are plentiful. BUT! They are limited to certain industries the require tons of experience, there's barely no housing, and the locals just don't like them folks (Except for the money).

The grass ain't always greener on the other side! Paint your own #### grass greener!!!!!

[1938_Packard]

Where there's a demand demand for housing, some developer will build housing.

Oil workers have to buy groceries, so there are supermarket jobs.  They need clothes, so there are clothing store jobs and jobs in stores that sell laundry products.  They want more entertainment options than just strip clubs, so there are jobs at theaters.  They need to keep their vehicles in working order, so there are jobs at auto shops.  Whether living in houses or trailers, they still need electricity so there are jobs at the power plants.  Those that have kids need teachers so there are jobs at schools and libraries.  Those that care about their appearance would need barbers, beauticians, etc. and so there are jobs in those professions.  Some might need legal services and so there are jobs in law firms.

I can go on for days like this...

[KuroKiri]

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1938_Packard wrote:

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KuroKiri wrote:

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DiscoFevers wrote:

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KuroKiri wrote:
Who the fuuuuuudge wants to live in N. Dakota?

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A whole 700,000 people.

Must be some rough competition in the job market up there.

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Are you kidding?

We've got more people living in the Bronx than that entire state.

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Probably the place to be when you get sick of crowd noise accompanied by emergency sirens every ten minutes.  Nope.  No loud 4:00 am parties downstairs in ND.  In ND, downstairs is your own basement and your neighbor's loud party is five miles away.

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Also the place to be if you're some crazy loner whose only interaction with other human beings takes place over the internet. 

Sounds perfect for you.

[Crapshot3]

thank you for telling us the absolute minimum function of a society. none of us knew that where people work they need things to eat and clothing and teachers. all of that is so complicated to figure out it goes over everyones heads except yours. you are the only one on this message board....dare I say the internet that understands such things

[1938_Packard]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

thank you for telling us the absolute minimum function of a society. none of us knew that where people work they need things to eat and clothing and teachers. all of that is so complicated to figure out it goes over everyones heads except yours. you are the only one on this message board....dare I say the internet that understands such things

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So, why was the guy to whom I was responding making such an asinine statement as that the "only" jobs available there are for people who work in oil?  I was merely pointing out that he's quite wrong.

[KuroKiri]

And he's merely ignoring you, like you do when people tell you you're wrong.

[1938_Packard]

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KuroKiri wrote:
And he's merely ignoring you, like you do when people tell you you're wrong.

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Good for him.  If he wants to ignore the job market, he's going to have trouble finding employment later.

[KuroKiri]

Says you, the guy that works at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to jobs.

[1938_Packard]

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KuroKiri wrote:
Says you, the guy that works at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to jobs.

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But working none the less.  I've met people with eight times my education who can't even find work as crash dummies.

[Crapshot3]

because those are understood jobs. oil makes the others possible.

you really need to lighten up.

[1938_Packard]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

because those are understood jobs. oil makes the others possible.

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So, why not support regulatory policies that are more condusive to oil instead of worrying so much about oil effects the squirrels?

[Crapshot3]

because I don't care if it affects the squirrels, if effects me... or rather the pollution it causes does.

so yes, regulations for oil and energy.

[1938_Packard]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

because I don't care if it affects the squirrels, if effects me... or rather the pollution it causes does.

so yes, regulations for oil and energy.

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With that attitude, you're going to get stuck having to choose between either working to sustain yourself or keeping the squirrels happy.  You can't have both.  Nobody can.

[Crapshot3]

yes we can, it's called regulation.

and no it's not squirrels. the ozone that is produced by photochemical reaction of Co2 and the sun can kill me, it can actually kill everyone but it is especially lethal to people with asthma and other breathing problems. that is one of the main reasons I have to have my rescue inhaler on me every single hour of every single day.

and it isn't just me. 3 out of every ten amaricans have breathing problems akin to asthma (asthma or just as bad, 70% lung, COPD etc....). we need regulations on energy, coal and the like or else it causes giant problems to us.

lets put it this way. these guys make money because they are producing oil but pulluting. at the same time that pollution is causing these guys over here to spend the same amount or more on health care, preventative medicine and the like so the net balance is 0 because you just end up causing just as much harm than good.

also, without regulations we have this. that really helps the squirrels out.

I would really like it if you would show my a little more respect than calling me a squirrel. based on your mental faculties I could compare you to so many other things that are way more insulting.... thanks.

[1938_Packard]

Regulation kills jobs, causes unemployment and spreads poverty..

[Crapshot3]

acid rain causes way more havok.

we delt with acid rain with regulations and now crops can grow. one of the biggest problems with acid rain (besides it being acid rain) was that it completely killed all agriculture. you had oil making money but everyone else in texas was screwed.

look, without regulation I and many more can't breath and can potentially die. that is way worse than poverty, and a 20 thousand dollar filter is not going to make big oil go broke. if so then they are a lot more fragile than I thought they where

[KuroKiri]

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1938_Packard wrote:

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KuroKiri wrote:
Says you, the guy that works at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to jobs.

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But working none the less.  I've met people with eight times my education who can't even find work as crash dummies.

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So people with an 8th grade education can't be crash test dummies?

Then maybe you should apply. 

[1938_Packard]

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Crapshot3 wrote:

acid rain causes way more havok.

we delt with acid rain with regulations and now crops can grow. one of the biggest problems with acid rain (besides it being acid rain) was that it completely killed all agriculture. you had oil making money but everyone else in texas was screwed.

look, without regulation I and many more can't breath and can potentially die. that is way worse than poverty, and a 20 thousand dollar filter is not going to make big oil go broke. if so then they are a lot more fragile than I thought they where

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Acid rain was caused in a very small part by sulfur dioxide emissions.  In an attempt to boost profits by making the burning of fuels more efficient, power plants have modified their machinery to burn with less waste and thus sulfur dioxide is a thing of the past, except maybe in China where Gov has more power over industry than in the U.S.  The new thing is carbon dioxide, which gets inhaled by plant life and exhaled as oxygen.  You want more oxygen, don't you?

[1938_Packard]

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KuroKiri wrote:

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1938_Packard wrote:

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KuroKiri wrote:
Says you, the guy that works at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to jobs.

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But working none the less.  I've met people with eight times my education who can't even find work as crash dummies.

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So people with an 8th grade education can't be crash test dummies?

Then maybe you should apply. 

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Some people with masters degrees or better haven't found any work in years.

[Crapshot3]

what the bloody hell are you talking about. Co2 gets devided up as Carbone and ozone in the air, not oxygen.

and no I don't want more oxygen. the planet is ripe with oxygen sitting in at 19%. if there where no plants the planet could go on for millions of years supporting all life. for your information if the oxygen level reaches 24% the atmosphere will explode.