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[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Its the most asinine argument I've ever had the displeasure to go up against but here we go...

The following is a real exchange between me and a Ron Paul supporter, who's name has been removed in accordance to the rules

In response to the following article. 

Ron Paul supporter: I'm going to call BS on this one until there's further findings. I didn't believe the birther movement and this stinks of the same type of journalism.

Me: really? Because all the other Nazi related crap in Ron Paul's career isn't enough for you? You know... His racist newsletter, the fact that he was a member of the neo confederate mises institute, his opposition to the civil rights act... Pretty much everything he ever said and did prior to 10 years ago...

Paultard: Well not to be mean but should I view the president in the same light because of Rev Jeremiah Wright? After all he did go to sermons for 20 years.What was it the article said, "birds of a feather flock together?" Sorry my friend I think the same people who post this tripe are the exact same ones who spun up the birther controversy and such.

Me: That's bullsh1t, Ron Paul published a neo Nazi propaganda paper for 20 years and to this day has close ties with white nationalists and you claim its a conspiracy... Bull... sh1t. How more obvious does the moron have to be for you cretin's to wake up and smell the fascist coffee? I'm not claiming Ron Paul was born in Austria, I'm reminding people of things he said, and pointing out who is in his presidential campaign. If Obama had Louis Farrakhan in his campaign, I think people would be a hell of a lot more concerned than they were because Reverend Wright was highly critical of American foreign policy... Which for the most part puts him in the same category as Ron Paul anyway! Why is the stupid blowback argument only controversial to you people when a black guy says it?

[JQuest15]

Ignorance is bliss, even though its right there in front of him.

Im pretty sure he was probably doing the 'If i dont see it, its not happening" type deal.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Even when its in front of them they attempt to rationalize it away. Its like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian about the age of the earth. We see dinosaurs, they see bones put in the rocks by Satan to test their faith. 

[Astromang]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:

Its the most asinine argument I've ever had the displeasure to go up against but here we go...

The following is a real exchange between me and a Ron Paul supporter, who's name has been removed in accordance to the rules

In response to the following article. 

Ron Paul supporter: I'm going to call BS on this one until there's further findings. I didn't believe the birther movement and this stinks of the same type of journalism.

Me: really? Because all the other Nazi related crap in Ron Paul's career isn't enough for you? You know... His racist newsletter, the fact that he was a member of the neo confederate mises institute,

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Stopped reading right there.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Good for you, do you want a fvcking cookie? 

What the fvck do I care if you don't know anything about neo confederate ideology or the links between prominent members of the Mises institute and pro confederate organizations such as the conservative league of the south, and the sons of the confederacy.

For people who don't have an aversion to reality and a desire to remain in abject denial of it, the following is a rather thorough explanation of neo confederates and their organizations published by the civil rights group, the southern poverty law center. 

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From SPLC: Ludwig von Mises Institute

Auburn, Ala.

Headed up by Llewelyn Rockwell Jr., the Ludwig von Mises Institute is devoted to a radical libertarian view of government and economics inspired by the Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises, whom the institute says "showed that government intervention is always destructive."

Indeed, the institute aims to "undermine statism in all its forms," and its recent interest in neo-Confederate themes reflects that.

Rockwell recently argued that the Civil War "transformed the American regime from a federalist system based on freedom to a centralized state that circumscribed liberty in the name of public order."

Desegregation in the civil rights era, he says, resulted in the "involuntary servitude" of (presumably white) business owners. In the past, Rockwell has praised the electoral success of European neofascists like Joerg Haider in Austria and Christoph Blocher in Switzerland.

Both Rockwell and institute research director Jeffrey Tucker are listed on the racist League of the South's Web page as founding members — and both men deny their membership. Tucker has written for League publications, and many League members have taught at the institute's seminars and given presentations at its conferences.

At the recent Austrian Scholars Conference, the F.A. Hayek Memorial Lecture was delivered by Donald Livingston, director of the League's Summer Institute. In 1994, Thomas Fleming, a founding League member and the editor of Chronicles magazine, spoke on neo-Confederate ideas to an institute conference.

Rockwell, who is also vice president of the Center for Libertarian Studies, runs his own daily news Web site that often features articles by League members.

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[westpark]

I agree with you half way. Rev. Wright was more a critic of social ills perpetrated by our govt internationally & arguably against our own people.

But that guy used a bad argument. He should have mentioned the guilt-by-association of Bill Ayers. That's far more potent. As a sloppy journalism example.

But you're incorrect. Ron Paul isn't a Neo-Nazi. A Neo-Nazi is not the same thing as a neoconfederate either. You're lumping 2 similar but different things into one package. Ron Paul is probably more of a confederate sympathizer. Neo-Nazis want blanket racist policies applied across all 50 states. Neoconfederates/confederate sympathizers only give a #### about the stupid political situation of the south.

And even then -- if he is a confederate sympathizer to some degree -- so what? He's retiring:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-announces-retirement-
congress-162110444.html

Shouldn't you be worried more about your ex-governor? Who you know, if the economy gets worse actually has a shot at unseating Obama? Or are you just deflecting attn. away from Romney hoping he emerges unsmeared from the slop of the primaries? Ron Paul is #### near 80 freaking yrs old. He'll probably die in another decade or so. He's a dinosaur, a fossil. Why do you treat him with more contempt & fear, & not fear but like a type of idk, terror almost. You're terrified of this goofy old kook who has no political sway within the GOP & who will never be the GOP nominee & who's hated within the neocon/establishment circles of the Republican party.

Why are you so terrified of him? And give a coherent answer. Not 'he's a Nazi.' That makes no sense. The guy is retiring. What is he gonna do? Dip in the fountain of youth & come back a 30 year old ready to whoop ur ass? Give me a serious coherent answer based in reality -- why do you fear him?

I'm not asking to goad u -- I truly, seriously am puzzled by the terror you feel towards what I think is an idiotic old fart who's 50 years out of touch with reality. Why do you treat him with more terror & fear than the nominee of the party that you claim to want to defeat in this yr's election & that you supported in the last election.  I'm puzzled. Baffled. Is it that you fear even giving him legitimacy? As in you don't want his ideas in the mainstream? I truly am curious.

And I'm also curious why you pick out like the most fringe random groups. 'Sons of the Confederacy' -- who in the fuuuuuudge is that? Are they like 90 year old grandchildren who get together to celebrate their grandfathers who fought in the war or something? Serious question. Why do you fear 'neo-confederate groups' so much? You do realize that even in the southern GOP, @ least from what I've read in the news & seen personally -- they really don't hold any sway. These groups are like a few hundred strong & you treat them like they're al Qaeda. What's so 'clear & present' in the danger of these groups.

Serious question, I'm totz baffled by your not fear, but outright terror you feel towards these fringe kook groups nobodys ever even heard of save you.

[Gaius_Sextus]

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Astromang wrote:

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:

Its the most asinine argument I've ever had the displeasure to go up against but here we go...

The following is a real exchange between me and a Ron Paul supporter, who's name has been removed in accordance to the rules

In response to the following article. 

Ron Paul supporter: I'm going to call BS on this one until there's further findings. I didn't believe the birther movement and this stinks of the same type of journalism.

Me: really? Because all the other Nazi related crap in Ron Paul's career isn't enough for you? You know... His racist newsletter, the fact that he was a member of the neo confederate mises institute,

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Stopped reading right there.

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So why don't you address this then?:

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2011/1229/Racist
-newsletter-timeline-What-Ron-Paul-...

[Gaius_Sextus]

Ron Paul, the gift that keeps on giving:

Ron Paul Set to Speak to 'Sovereign Citizens'—Just As FBI Issues Warning About Them

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Why don't you go back and read the article I posted from the SPLC, I refuse to do your homework for you.

Also Mitt Romney isn't going to win so no, I don't worry about him. Though I have gotten into several arguments with my parents, specifically my father on him if you must know. Though to be fair to my father, his reason for supporting Romney is because he found it easier to work with the Romney administration in his capacity as local government official. My argument against him is pretty basic, the #### wants to raise my taxes, and cut his.

That being said Ron Paul is a problem because he forces the conservatives even further to the right than they would be otherwise. Its people like him that are hell bent on eliminating social safety nets and government regulations and its people like him that force people like Romney who will say whatever they have to, in order to get elected, to give up issues like healthcare and abortion in favor if right wing extremism ala the john birtch society.

Lastly I don't give a fvck who you know about, your ignorance is not my problem. Go fvcking read a book and try to debate me when you actually know basic things about racism in contemporary America.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Right wing militias, are basically al Qaeda with a cross. Its no wonder he hates the idea of fighting terrorists, he supports them. And, you know... he thinks its all a Jewish conspiracy.

[railroadengine]

LOL PAULTARD!

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

I have a bit of ronpaul dyslexia, I think ron paul supporter but I write paultard... I'm struggling mightily with this tragic affliction...

[railroadengine]

Question you must ask yourself: Is there a difference?

[Snowy1]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:

I disagree with some of Ron Paul's policies so I distort them and fearmonger instead of being civil, cause it's easier, ya know?

DISAGREEING WITH MY VIEWS MAKES YOU A NAZI, LAWLZ

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I hope my characterization summed up all of your inquiries, Westpark.

Well, he's not exactly a fearmonger...rabblerouser would be a better word. Remember a few topics ago when he said Ron Paul was a nazi and should be imprisoned and executed?

I guess what I'm saying is... GaiusIuliusCesar is a few members short of a Congress...

[The_Pirate-King]

Yeah, pretty much. He has some interesting things to say about the economy and foreign policy, but the blatant racism in his past should have disqualified him from mention long ago.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

and who the hell are you? You know what, don't bother, no one cares.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

It irritates me immensely that this is not the case, I mean look at what I have to deal with for just bringing this up, *points to the post above yours*

[wickedlady4180]

Well, the good part is; if you don't like Giuliano's opinion, wait a while, it's bound to change.

[CharmingCriminal]

You get more and more liberal every time I leave and come back.

Nothing wrong with that. Just, surprising a little.

[CharmingCriminal]

At least his opinions have gotten less wrong over the years. As I recall, yours are pretty conservative, no?

[Snowy1]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
It irritates me immensely that this is not the case, I mean look at what I have to deal with for just bringing this up, *points to the post above yours*

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What irritates me the most is you watering-down the nazi name. Maybe you can start calling him a nazi when he starts doing evil actions like, I dunno, supporting a jingoistic foreign policy, a cruel and racist internal police system, and personally exterminates at least 100 humans of Jewish heritage. Until that time, he's just a man that supports a small central government, more state rights, and a balanced budget and has over his head the unfortunate dark cloud of being racially insensitive 20 years ago. So, I politely ask you to find a better word to articulate your distress towards him. That way we can all keep that superlative for evil in the dark closet until it's truly needed and you can sound more reasonable, win win.

[CharmingCriminal]

He might not be a nazi, but it sounds like he is a little more supportive of whitesupremacy than you appear to want to admit. And that's not ok.

[Snowy1]

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wickedlady4180 wrote:
Well, the good part is; if you don't like Giuliano's opinion, wait a while, it's bound to change.

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Personally, I couldn't care less about which way he leans politically. I'm pretty sure everyone is unhappy with our current government on certain key issues. The fact that multi-millionaires and billionaires get taxed less than the middle class, all so they can make jobs in China and send products, that we could easily make given the chance, over here where they pay next to nothing on importation; meanwhile, our congressmen and women turn a blind eye because the same corporations are shoving a few million dollars down their non-coordinated, Super PAC undergarments. Although even if he had the exact opposite political views as me, good for him, he's supporting a viewpoint so people can compare and contrast and make an informed decision for themselves. What I do disagree with is him wrongfully calling a politician a nazi and calling people mentally handicapped just because they support a politician that he does not like. That is not productive for democracy.

[Snowy1]

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CharmingCriminal wrote:
He might not be a nazi, but it sounds like he is a little more supportive of whitesupremacy than you appear to want to admit. And that's not ok.

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He may or may not be. I don't know the man personally and even if I did, I could never tell for sure. What I do know is he either wrote, helped to write, or didn't write a racially insensitive newsletter 20 years ago. If he does believe in a white supremacist philosophy, well he obviously #### at it since I haven't heard anything about him stopping the rights of different races. I also couldn't see him reversing the rights of different races; I'm pretty sure even most Republicans are pro-civil rights. If he helped to write it, see above. If he didn't write it, he's obviously bad at micromanaging and background checks. Although that was 20 years ago, he seems to be much better at micromanaging now because he has run a pretty stable campaign. Either way, as long as he decreases our federal debt and keeps us out of war, who cares. Can you honestly see him pulling off any racist policies? and even if he did pull off any racist policies, do you honestly think he'd get away with it? He'd be impeached and any congressional supporters would be purged. There would be immediate outrage and counter-action. In other words, no, he couldn't and wouldn't.

[The_Pirate-King]

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Snowy1 wrote:

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wickedlady4180 wrote:
Well, the good part is; if you don't like Giuliano's opinion, wait a while, it's bound to change.

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Personally, I couldn't care less about which way he leans politically. I'm pretty sure everyone is unhappy with our current government on certain key issues. The fact that multi-millionaires and billionaires get taxed less than the middle class, all so they can make jobs in China and send products, that we could easily make given the chance, over here where they pay next to nothing on importation; meanwhile, our congressmen and women turn a blind eye because the same corporations are shoving a few million dollars down their non-coordinated, Super PAC undergarments. Although even if he had the exact opposite political views as me, good for him, he's supporting a viewpoint so people can compare and contrast and make an informed decision for themselves. What I do disagree with is him wrongfully calling a politician a nazi and calling people mentally handicapped just because they support a politician that he does not like. That is not productive for democracy.

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Giuliano isn't calling RP a nazi; he's pointing out that Ron Paul's connections to extreme-right movements are a different matter from Obama's connection to Jeremiah Wright.

Most notably because the issue for Obama was the things Jeremiah Wright had said; the issue with Ron Paul is things Ron Paul has said, which are definitively racist. Not only that; Obama has severed his ties with Wright, whereas according to this recent information, RP still maintains connections with some extemely racist people, including neo-nazis.

You can try to tell me that there's a difference between neo-confederates and neo-nazis, but that's like pointing out the distinction between rats and opossums; they're both disgusting creatures, and I don't want to vote for a political candidate that has anything to do with them.