Babbling

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

When we have the opportunity to take sides in a historic clash between democracy and totalitarianism, that's when we always have to act.

When it comes to failed states like Somalia, that's what happens when we don't act. When you allow a society to destroy itself its almost impossible to put it back together. The best we can do in those circumstances is provide humanitarian aid and open up trade relations so that the means of production have a chance to restore themselves.

How does that fit with your neo con trope? I didn't think foreign aid was a big part of the GOP's program...

[Snowy1]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
fiscal responsibility isn't the issue, the protests aren't about the debt. They are about the condition of working class people and the poor.

I'm not going to let you spin this to suit some absurd tea bagger paultard agenda. The people occupying the power structure aren't doing it because they want a balanced budget amendment, they are doing it because they want jobs with a living wage, and they want the people with more money than they could ever need to pay for those jobs.

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Taxes and corporate reform fall under fiscal policy. Plus, war would cause oil spikes and less inward spending, which this country needs. In the broad scope of things, a large majority want the US to be stable and prosperous and war won't bring that.

[westpark]

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stilgar wrote:
I don't give two ####s about oil. But that's not what this is about. Its about the fact that you would have large groups of people die simply because they aren't Americans

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U wanna invade every hotspot on the planet.

Go join GT in the marines then. And leave me the hell out of it.

[wickedlady4180]

*ding*

Popcorn's done, who wants some?

[westpark]

Act?

We're bankrupt. The only thing keeping us afloat is that all the people & hedge funds who had their money in euro-backed assets are fleeing that continent & pouring into the dollar because of its reputation(thats now eroding) of being the only & last bastion of stability.

Once our currency loses its luster to the rmb or even 'a basket of currencies' or an IMF-backed alternative -- we're done.

Then we can't borrow any more & its either draconian cuts in our spending(MUCH worse than what we're doing now) -- or mass printing & monetizing of our debt.

There is nothing else. We have a responsibility to maintain the value of our currency. Once we fuuuuuudge that up -- as they say -- aint nobody going back to that punchbowl. Then its over, & then our military is really fuuuuuudgeed because then we can't even finance new weapons programs. And since you Bush people allowed us to outsource all our fuuuuuudgein factories -- what are you gonna tax? Walmart? Dollar Stores? Those companies are already barely making by in this country. Most of corporate America's profits are fuggin comin from overseas dude.

What are we gonna tax? The rich will just move their money abroad.

[stilgar]

I never said that, but you did say you don't care about genocide as long as its not Americans getting killed

[westpark]

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stilgar wrote:
I never said that, but you did say you don't care about genocide as long as its not Americans getting killed

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I don't support genocide. But I think its a UN issue. The UN was created to deal with #### like this. We didn't care when Rwanda was falling apart, because u know, they're black & they have no oil. Or Darfur -- until 10 fuuuuuudgein yrs after the fact.

My point is -- its a State Dept issue -- not a military issue on our part. Let the UN do what it was designed to do.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Oh give it a rest, we all known what is meant by "fiscal responsibility" it means you destroy welfare, give the rich tax breaks, and tell the poor to go fvck themselves. That's what Ron Paul would do, and since he is the point of this thread, lets try to stay on topic.

As for what is actually a responsible fiscal policy, that's a totally separate issue. One that you as someone who is defending ron paul probably doesn't know anything about.

[stilgar]

Hey westpark, guess who is a pretty important member of the UN? I will give you a hint, it starts with U and ends with A

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

I find it remarkable that you can't think to take a position on any of this... Too afraid that you might have to agree with one of us? Granted I'd be pretty horrified if I had to agree with westpark... but then again I have principles so I can't...

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

He didn't say he wanted to invade every hotspot... are you blind or do you only see what you want to see?

[stilgar]

Instead we are pretty much in agreement. I guess that makes me a Neo con

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

oh everyone that disagrees with westpark is a neo con, didn't you get the memo? It doesn't matter if we have a history of arguing with each other. Besides its not like history is his strong suit.

[wickedlady4180]

Nah, I'm gonna' sit this circle jerk out.
My wrist is too tired from the Santorum thread.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

eww... I hope you didn't get any on you.

[The_Pirate-King]

Westpark, I don't know why you can't be civil here like you were when you PM'd me. You too, Cesar; you're contributing to this as much as he is.

I don't think either of you have views that are that radically different from my own. And I don't think name calling and this petty bullsh!t is gonna resolve anything. And furthermore, I believe you're both sane, rational people, with decent values and logical arguments.

I'm tired of this sh!t, I've been tired of it since I was the one posting inane drivel when I was like 13. Grow up and find some common ground.

[westpark]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
He didn't say he wanted to invade every hotspot... are you blind or do you only see what you want to see?

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He said he wanted to stop genocide & human rights abuses. That includes hotspots like Darfur, South Sudan pre-independence, Somalia, parts of Nigeria, Myanmar, North Korea blah blah you get what I'm saying.

Not being token with our fights.

Plus Egypt has 70 million people -- that's a lotta work for our soldiers to do....have fun w/ur wars -- just don't fuuuuuudge with my social programs.

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

I'm not going to pretend to be civil with him. He's spent the last 3 years accusing me of being a blood thirsty psychopath and has trolled just about every thread I've made in that time.

About the only thing he has in common with me are some specific economic views and he generally likes to pretend those don't exist. Why I'm not sure, if he's not just slow in the head he intentionally ignores what I say about my own positions just to #### me off.

I'm not the sort of person who backs down when someone is clearly trying to pick a fight with me.

[Snowy1]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
Oh give it a rest, we all known what is meant by "fiscal responsibility" it means you destroy welfare, give the rich tax breaks, and tell the poor to go fvck themselves. That's what Ron Paul would do, and since he is the point of this thread, lets try to stay on topic.

As for what is actually a responsible fiscal policy, that's a totally separate issue. One that you as someone who is defending ron paul probably doesn't know anything about.

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He isn't going to destroy welfare. He does support the option to opt out of Social Security though, and government will ensure that those who pay into it will be covered in case there's a discrepancy.

He is going to do away with the federal income tax but that helps middle class families more than anything. He also supports lowering federal pay, shrinking government, and not engaging in war or foreign aid (which means less disabled people and single mothers means less government expenditure), so lowering taxes kind of coordinates with that. I think the rich should be taxed, but simplicity like this works too and helps everyone.

[The_Pirate-King]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
I'm not going to pretend to be civil with him. He's spent the last 3 years accusing me of being a blood thirsty psychopath and has trolled just about every thread I've made in that time.

About the only thing he has in common with me are some specific economic views and he generally likes to pretend those don't exist. Why I'm not sure, if he's not just slow in the head he intentionally ignores what I say about my own positions just to #### me off.

I'm not the sort of person who backs down when someone is clearly trying to pick a fight with me.

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This is not a fight, it's an internet hissy fit. If he's as bad as you say he is and haunts your every thread, you're not going to accomplish anything by responding to him. If you ignore him, he will have the option to either step up his insults until he gets banned, or just back off. It takes some self-control to do that, but in the end you win either way.

[westpark]

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The_Pirate-King wrote:

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
I'm not going to pretend to be civil with him. He's spent the last 3 years accusing me of being a blood thirsty psychopath and has trolled just about every thread I've made in that time.

About the only thing he has in common with me are some specific economic views and he generally likes to pretend those don't exist. Why I'm not sure, if he's not just slow in the head he intentionally ignores what I say about my own positions just to #### me off.

I'm not the sort of person who backs down when someone is clearly trying to pick a fight with me.

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This is not a fight, it's an internet hissy fit. If he's as bad as you say he is and haunts your every thread, you're not going to accomplish anything by responding to him. If you ignore him, he will have the option to either step up his insults until he gets banned, or just back off. It takes some self-control to do that, but in the end you win either way.

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Sure I'm that bad.

He comes after me just as much as I go after him. The ####s mutual, & trust me, I'm done buttering his ego toast.

[The_Pirate-King]

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westpark wrote:

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The_Pirate-King wrote:

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
I'm not going to pretend to be civil with him. He's spent the last 3 years accusing me of being a blood thirsty psychopath and has trolled just about every thread I've made in that time.

About the only thing he has in common with me are some specific economic views and he generally likes to pretend those don't exist. Why I'm not sure, if he's not just slow in the head he intentionally ignores what I say about my own positions just to #### me off.

I'm not the sort of person who backs down when someone is clearly trying to pick a fight with me.

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This is not a fight, it's an internet hissy fit. If he's as bad as you say he is and haunts your every thread, you're not going to accomplish anything by responding to him. If you ignore him, he will have the option to either step up his insults until he gets banned, or just back off. It takes some self-control to do that, but in the end you win either way.

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Sure I'm that bad.

He comes after me just as much as I go after him. The ####s mutual, & trust me, I'm done buttering his ego toast.

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Are you?

I feel like you said that about four pages ago. It was to be your miracle, remember?

[GaiusIuliusCesar]

Like I said I do that too, it depends on my mood. He gets banned quite often actually. I like to think I have a few things to do with that.

As for me, well I haven't been banned for anything in months. I do my best to stick to the content of a post, I can insult that to my hearts content.

[Buddyroe274]

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wickedlady4180 wrote:
*ding*

Popcorn's done, who wants some?

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I'm not a big fan of popcorn, but if you don't mind me pulling up a chair I did bring Iced tea, and cashews........The good kind, none of that canned crap.

[Astromang]

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GaiusIuliusCesar wrote:
As are Snowy1 and Astromang, since they Kudo'd his "I love it when brown people die" speech, but were apparently not brave enough to actually say anything themselves.

I think its important that we give people credit when they endorse statements...

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No, you're endorsing us to go kill brown people. I'm endorsing us to stay the fuuuuuudge out of it. There is a big difference.

Also, if you're going to be a big sponsor of U.S. imperialism, then why don't you go join the armed forces so you can ride into the countries in question wearing your famous toga and have flowers tossed to you?