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1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Reply to Carpetshot - Message ID#: 57667836

I didn't say you didn't have them, I just said yours won't last.

 

I've seen it all before, you're hardly the first.

 

Your pride is based entirely on your ability to selectively rewire your head to fit whoever you want to add to your collection of painted kites.

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Carpetshot
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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funny.

 

I remember a group who thought that way to.

 

the nazi's. they thought that everyone should think exactly like them, that ended well.

 

they thought that those who didn't think like them had no dignity and everyone who wasn't them was the enemy. those are traits you share. good job.

 

anyway, off to never never land with you where only the chosen few you decide to have any contact with reside, where idea's are as stagnant as the air . it's how you keep getting stumped by the simplest of concepts

 

anyway, you agreed with one of my alts, that makes you a fake by your own logic. :smileyhappy:

 

 

 

also, have you ever wondered what you are doing here at this site? you are looking for some kind of acceptance  because you yourself have none where you live.  why are you even talking to me, a person who has polar opposite views than you and you have stated, ghate.

 

why are you talking to me, if not to want to be accepted by someone.

 

also you should look up what dignity means, because you are doing that all wrong. when you start questioning others dignity, you have none of your own

SwimStar
1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Because it gives me more insights.  If I know you here, I know who to avoid off the boards.  All the little cues you exhibit often get seen on others off the boards.

 

This forum is unique in that the only consequence of error is a dropped main.

 

An error off the boards can be quite costly to me.

 

Besides, all that rewiring you're doing every day could get pretty hard to keep track of after a while.

 

 

 

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Carpetshot
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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now you do the same thing.

 

get a new act dude. I know who 1 of your alts are, you hide behind alts? ya, dignity right there.

 

 

 

but I forget, you are mentally handicapped (it's true) I forget that you have the inability to overcome that obstacle. 

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1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Carpetshot wrote:

now you do the same thing.

 

get a new act dude. I know who 1 of your alts are.


 

If you still think Codine Codey has anything to do with me, you've got some very serious issues to work out.

 

As for my actual alts, I don't need any off the boards in case you haven't noticed.  Those alts are part of a project that can be only be conducted here.  You'll find out at the grand unveiling.

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Carpetshot
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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hey kenworth, I'm not reading a thing you say now.

 

 

but I just want to point out to you it's when you get mad like this that you get real belligerent and sloppy, letting down your guard saying childish things.

and that is how I found out who one of your alts where.... are.

 

you'r your own worst enemy.

 

 

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1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Carpetshot wrote:

hey kenworth, I'm not reading a thing you say now.

 

 

I found out who one of your alts where.... are.

 

 

 

 


 

Still calling a lime a grapefruit.  Tisk tisk.

 

 

Hint:  My most popular alt here happens to be one of the least productive speaking strictly in terms of post count.  Only one of my alts posts less. 

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Carpetshot
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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no, I know from sorces who this alt is.

 

tisk tisk.

 

when you are unable to take constructive critisism, that is when you fail, and you have.

 

 

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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GiulianoTaverna wrote:

At least if you happen to be of the working class, are patriotic and religious, and react with blind murderous rage when ever the military, the ruling class, or the national religion is criticized or challenged to any extent, in any way. 

 

A lot of the stuff you say sounds really good on paper but really, if anything is reactionary, it's your comments. And also, your problem is you paint everything with a broad brush. You have to take things on a case-by-case basis. You say 'murderous rage' -- how many Americans have been killed for criticizing the govt. or military? Maybe a few by a few nutjobs but all those crooks are in jail now. There is no broad-based right-wing reactionary movement save the tea party. And the teatards are so neutered its hilarious.

 

The tea party protests are a joke. Look @ the national strikes in France and Greece, they brought those govts. almost to their knees.

 

Also, America has no 'national religion.' Even w/in Christianity you'll find deep divisions of thought. I was brought up thinking for instance Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses were kooky cults, and they are. But that doesn't mean 90% of the people in the country are bad because they don't follow the quasi-tolerant rantings of a soon-to-be-dead-and-very-cancer-riddled limey kook journalist with no credentials in many of the fields he criticizes.

 

You can always tell the nutbars by their grand generalizations.....

 

If for example you react to say... the mass disclosure of evidence of massive corruption in our state department, military, and intelligence services complete with videos of innocent Iraqis being shot cheerfully by sadists in gunships... by saying the whistle blowers should be rounded up and shot. then I'm sorry to say, you are a fascist. So next time you give a salute, do this, instead of this, and salute him, instead of him.

 

Most people who are antiwar supported Assange or w/e his name is and his releasing of these documents.

 

And last time I checked it was you Hitchenite morons and your cousins the neocons who were calling for Assange's arrest. See:


http://www.redding.com/news/2010/dec/03/throw-the-wikibook-at-the
m/


As I thought and others did as well, Assange isn't even wanted for rape but rather some other minor charge(he was engaging in consensual sex) --


http://www.newser.com/story/106802/assange-not-actually-wanted-fo
r-rape.html

 

The neocons want him dead because they know how rotten and corrupt Karzai's govt. is(his brother's a heroin kingpin and uses graft to steal both US govt. funds and his nation's own tax revenues)

 

As an antiwar activist I find Assange to be a hero of both free speech and for bringing to light just how pointless the Bush war effort is and how stupid these 2 wars we're fighting are.

 

Assange is in the vein of old 70s antiwar journalists who helped bring Vietnam to a close.

 

The sooner the truth gets out the sooner people call their senators and congressmen and the sooner pressure is mounted on Obama to get the troops out and bring them home and to spend all that 'defense' money on domestic work and job training programs.

 

As a Hitchenite/neocon you should be strongly in favor of going after Assange. He's pointing out how sectarian and corrupt both the Iraqi and Afghan govts. are and also how pointless the idea of war with either N. Korea or Iran would be.

 

If for w/e reason you're flipping around and coming out in favor of Assange and bringing both wars to a close -- then for some bizarre reason we're suddenly on the same page.

 

And I actually agree with you, the neocons like Krauthammer and Coulter who are calling for his arrest or killing are fascists. As were all the Bushtards who called for the suspension of habeus corpus for antiwar protestors like me for 'sedition.' Another neocon fascist term.

 

You misuse the word fascist. Anybody who's pro-war is fascist unless that war is in self-defense....

 

Neocons like you hate and detest people who tell the truth about the 2 wars because they know the more people know about how pointless the wars are -- the sooner the troops come home. And that frankly is your worst nightmare -- an America who actually minds its own business and stays out of the world's affairs.


 

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

It's really scary that you and I are agreeing more and more, a sure sign that the country is going **pickle** psychotic.


 

He's prob. playing semantics. I haven't gotten a reply yet so I'm not sure but that's what I strongly suspect.

 

His support for the wars hasn't changed any. Many of the neocons are socially liberal and borderline Democrat. Liebermann Dems are of the same movement and that's about where he and Hitchens stands.

 

He just believes in an illusion of democracy and 'good moral war.'

 

He thinks what we're doing there is 'good' when in reality it's just a way for defense contractors to reap tens of billions in war loot and defense spending spoil....

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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GiulianoTaverna wrote:
I think that's obvious to everyone who doesn't have their head shoved firmly up the ass of some faction.

The extent to which one has to plagiarize dystopian novels to describe this is freakish...

Its as if someone took the economic and social model of a brave new world, and superimposed that onto the political institutions of 1984, with the media of Fahrenheit 451. This is fvcked.

Usually when somebody quotes or talks about those 3 misinterpreted novels  or even name-drops them they're a kook.....

 

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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railroadengine wrote:
With short term memory loss.
Every time wikileaks makes a release, it's usually a shot heard around the world, except that we already knew most of those things were going on and instead of trying to use wikileaks to curb corruption, news outlets bash our gov't for the security breaches instead.

 

Exactly, they just said stuff that any half-witted political wonk has known since 2005.....

 

The Arabs wanted America to bomb Iran --- we already knew that.....

 

Both Bush and Obama wanted Merkel to do more than just give support for the US but wanted Germany and other Euro nations to commit MORE troops to Afghanistan so we can reduce our load there....

 

That Putin was sort of a quasi-dictator -- wow, we really didn't know that.

 

If anybody has read the news for the past decade other than outlets like Fox or read that moron Hitchens they would know this stuff.

 

Saudi and Egypt fear Iran just as much as they did Saddam.....old news there.

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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GiulianoTaverna wrote:
Like I said, that... is fascism. Though I would like to point out that calling for someone to be killed is not equivalent to making jokes about drone attacks.

Though given the unreasonably high number of civilian casualties caused by our drones, for no other reason than Obama not wanting the political heat of committing ground troops for fear that they might get hurt and cost him reelection is a serious issue of contention I have with the Obama administration. However this is based on the inherent racism and xenophobia present in most Americans, especially those who spend most of their time attacking Obama. So in this case, its not like I have any alternative but to express criticism and wind up supporting him on a lesser of evils basis anyway.

 

You still support the war man. You know as well as we all do the Taliban will either take the country back when we leave or the country will shatter -- like I've told you a hundred times -- into ethnic parts.

 

If you still don't believe it you're either delusional or dumb.

 

The 'war effort' -- whether being waged by Bush, Obama, or Darth Vader, is doomed to fail because the 'Afghans' put their local tribes and ethnic groups first. And as long as they want to be with their families -- there will never be a stable govt. in Afghanistan. There's a reason the Tajik/Uzbek Northern Alliance was fighting the Pashtun Taliban all the way until the time we came up there.....

 

As Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carter's former Sec. of State said about a year ago, we're probably going to have to break up Afghanistan. And to push his idea a little further -- Iraq as well.

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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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GiulianoTaverna wrote:
You mean like I have been doing since 2003 consistently? Well yes of course I will continue, after all this vital information, once disseminated will create outcry for the reforms necessary to their safety, and ours.

The traitors, those corrupt bureaucrats in the army and CIA, who are responsible for these crimes against humanity, they are the ones putting our soldiers at risk.

 

Bush started these wars.

 

Why punish the peons who are trying to clean it up under orders?

 

Gut the neocons and put them on trial for treason. Take Cheney, Feith, Rumsfeld, etc. and hang them by their failed traitorous necks.

 

They started these wars. We'd still be living a normal life had they not goaded and tricked dumbya into invading Iraq.

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GiulianoTaverna
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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You are a deluded propagandist. I'm not a neo con, Hitchens is not a neo con, and Hitchens wrote an entire article about this already.

 

Iraq Through Night-Vision Goggles

As we digest the WikiLeaks revelations, a new book offers the soldiers' perspective.






Objective is not the word one would select for either the aims or methods of WikiLeaks. I was interested to read that one of Julian Assange's deputies recently resigned over his decision to give the crass title "Collateral Murder" to a video from Baghdad. But no careful reading of the latest blizzard of documents could support any conclusion except that the verdict on responsibility for the murder of innocents is the same for Iraq as the United Nations' conclusion about Afghanistan.


The continuing bloodbath is chiefly the result of an obscene alliance between the goons of the previous dictatorship and the goons of a would-be-future theocratic one. From the very first day after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, without ever issuing so much as a manifesto or a bill of grievances, this criminal gang awarded itself permission to use high explosives, assassination, torture, and rape against a population that was given no moment of breathing space after three decades of war and fascism. Who can forget the main episodes, from the murder of the U.N. envoy to the attempted sabotage of the country's first-ever open election to the deliberate destruction of the Shiite holy places in Samarra and elsewhere? (The Shiites did not behave so atrociously in response, but when some of them did, as WikiLeaks unsurprisingly "reveals," they were backed by the homicidal clerical dictatorship in Iran.)


Now, unless you can make yourself believe that the doomed, imploding Saddam regime would somehow have managed a peaceful transition from itself to something else in a society that it had already maimed and ruined and traumatized, you have to consider expressing a bit of gratitude to the coalition soldiers who were able to provide some elements of that breathing space and to prevent the next regime from being worse even than the preceding one. At a time when it seemed to many people that Baghdad had already become worse than Beirut and Rwanda combined, I tentatively wrote of the coalition forces as "the militia for those who have no militia," a description that I claim the surge partially vindicated.


This week sees the publication of a truly extraordinary book, written by men who consciously thought of themselves that way. Nightcap at Dawn: Soldiers' Counterinsurgency in Iraq was collectively written by a group of highly intelligent warriors and appears under the collective byline of J.B. Walker; it is privately published with all its proceeds devoted to military families. You can shop for it here. (I should mention that I was peripherally involved in advising on its publication.) These recollections, pooled experiences, and shared sacrifices constitute the most authentic account yet produced of the Iraq battle as viewed through night-vision goggles, gun sights, meetings with tribal and clan elders, attempts to succor innocent victims and to guard voters, and much besides. Its vernacular is blunt but not crude. In the most vivid firsthand manner, it confronts the appalling difficulty of fighting an enemy to whom human life is no concern at all and to whom the opportunity to prove this every day is a boasted military advantage.


Not long ago, I read an interview with Julian Assange in which he declared his ostensibly journalistic objective to be that of "ending" the war. Most edifying. The easiest way of ending it would be for one side to cease fighting it. (That almost happened in Iraq before the surge, when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida claimed control of a province or two.) I have an intuition that I know which side Assange wishes would capitulate. Call it an instinct if you like. And perhaps one day we will decide that we do not care who runs Mesopotamia or the Hindu Kush or the Khyber Pass or, indeed, how they run it. Even when that great and peaceful day dawns, we will still have to admire those of our volunteers who fought so hard to make sure that the decision was not a walkover.

 

Oh and non of the rest of the mindless crap in your post is relevant. I'm not even going to bother with it, you are a liar, you lied about me, you lied about Hitchens, you continue to deny your obvious racism and reactionary leanings, and I can't imagine many people taking you seriously. Maybe your fellow travelers in the southern democratic new know nothing camp.

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1.Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color.
2.Do not ever use people as private property.
3.Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4.Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5.Do not condemn people for their inborn nature—why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?
6.Be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature, and think and act accordingly.
7.Do not imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife.
8.Turn off that fvcking cell phone—you have no idea how unimportant your call is to us.
9.Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
10.Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above.
"And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well-what matters it? Believe that, too!"

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GiulianoTaverna
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Actually Clinton did, both in trying to assassinate Osama, and in passing the Iraqi liberation act. I support both, as I supported Clinton.

I really really dislike you... can you stop lying about me and a cancer stricken author for 5 minutes?

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The new ten commandments.
1.Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color.
2.Do not ever use people as private property.
3.Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4.Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5.Do not condemn people for their inborn nature—why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?
6.Be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature, and think and act accordingly.
7.Do not imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife.
8.Turn off that fvcking cell phone—you have no idea how unimportant your call is to us.
9.Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
10.Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above.
"And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well-what matters it? Believe that, too!"

I live again.

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1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Carpetshot wrote:

no, I know from sorces who this alt is.

 

tisk tisk.

 

when you are unable to take constructive critisism, that is when you fail, and you have.

 

 


 

Sources, eh?  Like what?  The voices in your head?

 

When you see Packard, you see the bridge.  When you see an alt of mine, your'e seeing the galley, the engine room, the cargo hold, etc.  Same ship.  All the same wiring.

 

Constructive criticism, you say?  If any of what you say about that were true, I'd probably still be drinking.  When it comes to criticism, I always have to consider the source and intent before deciding whether to take it seriously and act on it.

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1938_Packard
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

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Carpetshot wrote:

no, I know from sorces who this alt is.

 

tisk tisk.

 

when you are unable to take constructive critisism, that is when you fail, and you have.

 

 


Any criticism you can deliver of me is quite firmly rooted in your obsessive jealousy of an undereducated, mentally unstable janitor who still manages to stay out of debt, keep some savings and investments and not get entangled in government assistance as far as home energy stipends, rental assistance, food stamps, Obama Care or any other program designed to pilfer from the top twenty percent income earners.  I don't have to vote a thug into office to steal on my behalf and because of that, you show a disgust for my not fitting into your imaginary box of a poor little handicapped guy who needs all the help from Gov.

 

The business is to encourage people to gamble until their houses are in foreclosure. The penny ante players don't even get the casino's electric bill paid.
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Carpetshot
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

Reply to 1938_Packard - Message ID#: 57672736

who is the one who needs me to respond to you? I'm really the only one on this sight anymore that actually responds to you because I am a softy and I believe in peoples redemption. it's my fatal flaw, I feel for people too much, even people like rush limbaugh and glenn beck I still put myself in their shoes and sense what kind of sad pathetic life they live and in the end they are just children who stare death in the face just like all of us.

 

I wonder what would happen if I just ignored you, sense you are just a crybaby looking for attention, and as of now I'm one of the only ones that give you this attention

 

I think we will find out

 

anyway, I'm glad you have admitted that you are mentally unsound and under-educated. the first part is just something you can't help and is a point of pity, the second account just proves that you are a giant hypocrite who doesn't walk the walk that he talks.

 

have a good day hypocrite :smileyhappy:

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westpark
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Re: Sorry, but you're a fascist.

Reply to GiulianoTaverna - Message ID#: 57670652

 


GiulianoTaverna wrote:

You are a deluded propagandist. I'm not a neo con, Hitchens is not a neo con, and Hitchens wrote an entire article about this already.

 

Iraq Through Night-Vision Goggles

As we digest the WikiLeaks revelations, a new book offers the soldiers' perspective.






Objective is not the word one would select for either the aims or methods of WikiLeaks. I was interested to read that one of Julian Assange's deputies recently resigned over his decision to give the crass title "Collateral Murder" to a video from Baghdad. But no careful reading of the latest blizzard of documents could support any conclusion except that the verdict on responsibility for the murder of innocents is the same for Iraq as the United Nations' conclusion about Afghanistan.


The continuing bloodbath is chiefly the result of an obscene alliance between the goons of the previous dictatorship and the goons of a would-be-future theocratic one. From the very first day after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, without ever issuing so much as a manifesto or a bill of grievances, this criminal gang awarded itself permission to use high explosives, assassination, torture, and rape against a population that was given no moment of breathing space after three decades of war and fascism. Who can forget the main episodes, from the murder of the U.N. envoy to the attempted sabotage of the country's first-ever open election to the deliberate destruction of the Shiite holy places in Samarra and elsewhere? (The Shiites did not behave so atrociously in response, but when some of them did, as WikiLeaks unsurprisingly "reveals," they were backed by the homicidal clerical dictatorship in Iran.)


Now, unless you can make yourself believe that the doomed, imploding Saddam regime would somehow have managed a peaceful transition from itself to something else in a society that it had already maimed and ruined and traumatized, you have to consider expressing a bit of gratitude to the coalition soldiers who were able to provide some elements of that breathing space and to prevent the next regime from being worse even than the preceding one. At a time when it seemed to many people that Baghdad had already become worse than Beirut and Rwanda combined, I tentatively wrote of the coalition forces as "the militia for those who have no militia," a description that I claim the surge partially vindicated.


This week sees the publication of a truly extraordinary book, written by men who consciously thought of themselves that way. Nightcap at Dawn: Soldiers' Counterinsurgency in Iraq was collectively written by a group of highly intelligent warriors and appears under the collective byline of J.B. Walker; it is privately published with all its proceeds devoted to military families. You can shop for it here. (I should mention that I was peripherally involved in advising on its publication.) These recollections, pooled experiences, and shared sacrifices constitute the most authentic account yet produced of the Iraq battle as viewed through night-vision goggles, gun sights, meetings with tribal and clan elders, attempts to succor innocent victims and to guard voters, and much besides. Its vernacular is blunt but not crude. In the most vivid firsthand manner, it confronts the appalling difficulty of fighting an enemy to whom human life is no concern at all and to whom the opportunity to prove this every day is a boasted military advantage.


Not long ago, I read an interview with Julian Assange in which he declared his ostensibly journalistic objective to be that of "ending" the war. Most edifying. The easiest way of ending it would be for one side to cease fighting it. (That almost happened in Iraq before the surge, when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida claimed control of a province or two.) I have an intuition that I know which side Assange wishes would capitulate. Call it an instinct if you like. And perhaps one day we will decide that we do not care who runs Mesopotamia or the Hindu Kush or the Khyber Pass or, indeed, how they run it. Even when that great and peaceful day dawns, we will still have to admire those of our volunteers who fought so hard to make sure that the decision was not a walkover.

 

Oh and non of the rest of the mindless crap in your post is relevant. I'm not even going to bother with it, you are a liar, you lied about me, you lied about Hitchens, you continue to deny your obvious racism and reactionary leanings, and I can't imagine many people taking you seriously. Maybe your fellow travelers in the southern democratic new know nothing camp.


 

Let me ask you -- did Hitchens tell his supporters to call their oppenents 'racist' and 'anti-Semite' in every **pickle** response?

 

Considering you're pro colonial and anti-Zionist, I'd say you have a lot of nerve calling me both a racist and an anti-Semite moron.

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GiulianoTaverna wrote:
Actually Clinton did, both in trying to assassinate Osama, and in passing the Iraqi liberation act. I support both, as I supported Clinton.

I really really dislike you... can you stop lying about me and a cancer stricken author for 5 minutes?

 

Wrong again. Clinton bombed Iraq a few times to divert attn. away from his impeachment hearings and other scandals, among other more serious UN violations by Saddam. Despite those setbacks, he was still a great president.

 

But that was never the pretext to go to pre-emptive war over.....

 

As for that bitter neocon Hitchens, whether he wants to admit it or not, and whether as being part-Jewish he wants to ABUSE the anti-Semite label to silence his critics and by avoiding debates over POINTS and LOGIC, he is by definition a neoconservative. If you support pre-emptive war in the name of democracy, you are a neocon. That's the best definition I've ever heard of the word.

 

From the way he sounds he was probably an old-style liberal 20 or 30 years ago but somehow he became intoxicated with the campy folklore of Anglo-American history from 1910 to the present.....

 

War is evil. And I'll say it again if i said it a hundred times, if you want to support democracy in Iraq -- go to Iraq and enlist in their **pickle** army......

 

The neocons are STILL the biggest threat to national security to this country because they threaten the global economic fabric with their endless wars that cause commodity bubbles that exasperate normal peoples' lives. Not to mention the costs of their idiot wars.

 


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So does it make me a fascist if I want that guy to be prosecuted for breaking the laws of the United States?  Or if I want PFC Bradley to be court-martialed?

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Hitchens doesn't tell me anything, I imagine he tells his students at the new school how to get published but beyond that your slippery implication that I belong to some kind of cult is beyond absurd. Though, considering its you, I hardly expect more.

Also I'm not "pro colonial" and Zionism is a colonial enterprise so what on earth are you blathering about? Of course I'm not racist, I'm a consistent defender of minorities from oppression, whether they are Jews facing persecution from Muslims, or Muslims facing persecution from Jews. Unlike you, I don't make distinctions based on ethnicity, I don't say, "oh you are an Indian so you believe this, or oh you are an italian so you like that, or oh you are his panic so you are this" you are a racist joke, and its not funny anymore.

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1.Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color.
2.Do not ever use people as private property.
3.Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4.Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5.Do not condemn people for their inborn nature—why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?
6.Be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature, and think and act accordingly.
7.Do not imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife.
8.Turn off that fvcking cell phone—you have no idea how unimportant your call is to us.
9.Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
10.Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above.
"And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well-what matters it? Believe that, too!"

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Hitchens would actually agree with you about Clinton having done that to draw attention away from his D1ck, but you haven't a clue who or what Hitchens is, you aren't smart enough to have though to look. You were told, "here enemy, here hitchens, hitchens enemy, smash" or some other ape man barbarian nonsense, and like a good ape you followed instructions, monkey see, monkey do. 

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What else is there to say? You are a pile of the most base pathetic cliche's I've run across over the years, from the time when I was a democrat, until well after I stopped being a republican. You aren't made to be speaking to me. Go and find a "liberal democrat" or a "conservative republican" and argue with them, because they will be able to speak your language.

 

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"The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum"
"What is it the Bible teaches us? - raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith." Thomas Paine
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The new ten commandments.
1.Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color.
2.Do not ever use people as private property.
3.Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4.Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5.Do not condemn people for their inborn nature—why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?
6.Be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature, and think and act accordingly.
7.Do not imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife.
8.Turn off that fvcking cell phone—you have no idea how unimportant your call is to us.
9.Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
10.Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above.
"And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well-what matters it? Believe that, too!"

I live again.

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TheGreatUrameshi13 wrote:

So does it make me a fascist if I want that guy to be prosecuted for breaking the laws of the United States?  Or if I want PFC Bradley to be court-martialed?


 

Did you know they leaked footage of an attrocity commited by the US army in Iraq in which civilians and media personell were slaughtered, which was covered up in order to avoid a scandle by the army?

 

Would you like to watch it? Thanks to the heroic efforts of PFC Bradley, who put loyalty to the constitution above loyalty to his commanding officer, (they are sworn to defend the constitution, not the government... a detail) we have that available online now. Watch it... if you still think we should hang the person who leaked this, rather than the person who ordered it be covered up, and let the guilty go free, then yes you are a stinking fascist!

 

Also the rednecks in that video should be hanged, after they are forced to shoot whoever ordered this classified in a firing squad. 

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"The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum"
"What is it the Bible teaches us? - raping, cruelty, and murder. What is it the New Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith." Thomas Paine
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The new ten commandments.
1.Do not condemn people on the basis of their ethnicity or color.
2.Do not ever use people as private property.
3.Despise those who use violence or the threat of it in sexual relations.
4.Hide your face and weep if you dare to harm a child.
5.Do not condemn people for their inborn nature—why would God create so many homosexuals only in order to torture and destroy them?
6.Be aware that you too are an animal and dependent on the web of nature, and think and act accordingly.
7.Do not imagine that you can escape judgment if you rob people with a false prospectus rather than with a knife.
8.Turn off that fvcking cell phone—you have no idea how unimportant your call is to us.
9.Denounce all jihadists and crusaders for what they are: psychopathic criminals with ugly delusions and terrible sexual repressions.
10.Be willing to renounce any god or any religion if any holy commandments should contradict any of the above.
"And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave the secret, and denied it me?
Well, well-what matters it? Believe that, too!"

I live again.