Babbling

[DoseOfLaughter]

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valiente16 wrote:
If he was charged it would have been bogus...dude was scum and got what he deserved. Any person would go into a rage and beat them to a pulp.

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No it wouldn't of been...We live in a society. It is not our job to kill people whom we deem as unfit to live.

I recognize the fact that the pedophile's acts were heinous, but I do not agree with the actions taken by the father. I understand them, but I do not accept them (I figured I'd highlight this part, so people do realize that I understand his actions, before they blow up and start accusing me of defending a pedophile).

I do believe the father should of faced accidental manslaughter charges, simply because there were other methods towards resolving that situation, such as restraining him until police arrived.

I realize that parents are biologically programed to do whatever it takes to protect their children. But, I still believe that we as a society still cannot kill those whom we deem as unfit to live. It's counter productive towards the concepts of a society.

Also, inb4 someone flames me.

[OOPSIEDAY]

I wasn't aware that sexually assaulting a 5 year old girl was a crime in Texas. 

Maybe only if it's not at gunpoint. 

[lunarnoodle]

I agree with you in theory. If the guy found out after the fact and went to the suspect's house and beat him to death, I would also think he should be held accountable.

But this is not a situation where rational thought had much of a chance, if any, to win out. He was in the moment, the assault was in progress and he snapped.

And I don't think he should be charged precisely because of that understanding that you mention several times; that sometimes in acts of desperation we go to far and it can't be helped.

[alucardsexyghost]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:

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valiente16 wrote:
If he was charged it would have been bogus...dude was scum and got what he deserved. Any person would go into a rage and beat them to a pulp.

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No it wouldn't of been...We live in a society. It is not our job to kill people whom we deem as unfit to live.

I recognize the fact that the pedophile's acts were heinous, but I do not agree with the actions taken by the father. I understand them, but I do not accept them (I figured I'd highlight this part, so people do realize that I understand his actions, before they blow up and start accusing me of defending a pedophile).

I do believe the father should of faced accidental manslaughter charges, simply because there were other methods towards resolving that situation, such as restraining him until police arrived.

I realize that parents are biologically programed to do whatever it takes to protect their children. But, I still believe that we as a society still cannot kill those whom we deem as unfit to live. It's counter productive towards the concepts of a society.

Also, inb4 someone flames me.

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According to Texas law killing while defending a third person from rape is legal. So blame the Texas justice system.

Also I don't see it as him killing him because he deemed him unfit to live, he didn't even intend to kill him, it's not like he heard about it after it happened and hunted the guy down to commit premeditated murder. He caught the guy in the act and accidentally killed him trying to protect his daughter. Even without the Texas law I don't think he should of been charged.

[DoseOfLaughter]

That's why accidental manslaughter exists. He didn't intend to kill him, but hey, it happened. I mean, I might be to harsh in my views...but, I still believe in a society where people should be held accountable for their actions.


But, hey. It's Texas law....and, in Texas, they don't care if they kill people.

[scoobdog]

You are being exceedingly harsh. Accidental manslaughter is death cause be negligence, and clearly in this case the father was not being negligent in attempting to protect his daughter. He even attempted some life-saving measures from what I hear. There isn't a jurisdiction in the United States that would have found his actions to be negligent or excessive.

[alucardsexyghost]

I think a lot of states have similar laws, although I think some may be stricter on what types of crimes are being committed for the third person self defense law to be applicable.

But say if someone is trying to kill me, I assume you would be OK with me being able to kill them in self defense? While a 5 year old isn't going to be able to do that so a third person can defend them as if they are defending themselves and it would fall under the same category as self defense. In my state the law is basicly if the other person would be entitled to the right of self defense you can defend them like you would yourself. Meaning you would have to follow reasonble force and everything else that goes along with self defense.

So I'd assume in Texas that killing someone that is trying to rape you is considered self defense, so it crosses over to third person self defense as well. I'm not sure though all I know is one of the articles I read on this said that it's legal to kill someone while protecting a child from rape in Texas.

[DoseOfLaughter]

Oh, I agree. I am very strict in my views. This is namely why I'm not screaming that this ruling is in any way a bad ruling. Like I said - I understand his actions. I completely understand. I simply do not accept them. This is simply my opinion on moral implications on this ruling, and since morality is entirely subjective....well, yeah...I'm just sharing my opinion on the case, and nothing more.

[capt_taco]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:

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valiente16 wrote:
If he was charged it would have been bogus...dude was scum and got what he deserved. Any person would go into a rage and beat them to a pulp.

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No it wouldn't of been...We live in a society. It is not our job to kill people whom we deem as unfit to live.

I recognize the fact that the pedophile's acts were heinous, but I do not agree with the actions taken by the father. I understand them, but I do not accept them (I figured I'd highlight this part, so people do realize that I understand his actions, before they blow up and start accusing me of defending a pedophile).

I do believe the father should of faced accidental manslaughter charges, simply because there were other methods towards resolving that situation, such as restraining him until police arrived.

I realize that parents are biologically programed to do whatever it takes to protect their children. But, I still believe that we as a society still cannot kill those whom we deem as unfit to live. It's counter productive towards the concepts of a society.

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Am pretty sure that killing someone while attempting to break up a violent crime in progress is completely acceptable. It doesn't and shouldn't get you charged with manslaughter. End of story.

Revenge killings after the fact, or shooting a robber in the back as they try to run away - ok, that's why society exists so there's no need for it. But if someone is trying to murder or rape a family member, I see no problem whatsoever with splattering their brains on the ground without a second thought.

[scoobdog]

Strict? How? Are you suggesting that the killing of any human being is wrong regardless of the circumstances? It's a fine opinion, but it's not clear what your opinion actually is.

[Buddyroe274]

Too easy. bro.........Stop lobbing them at me.

[ihavequadrophenia]

I'm just gonna say this: To those of you who are criticizing the guy for defending his daughter, let me make a suggestion. Before trashing the actions of the father, put yourself in his shoes. Can you honestly tell me you wouldn't have done the same thing he did? (The fact is you don't know until you're actually in that situation, and I pray nobody posting in this thread ever has to know how that father feels.)

[Master-Debater131]

Good.

He did the right thing here and should not be punished for it.
Its a shame other states dont have laws like this on the books though.

[naraku361]

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Shadowstaarr wrote:

Oh.  I was hoping it was Dick.

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Yeah, Dick Flores is a much funnier name than Jesus Flores.

And in context to the joke, it makes a lot more sense.

[Saddy]

spoken like someone who has absolutely no concept of what it is to love someone more than yourself. ANY parent would have done EXACTLY what that father did, if not worse. also, he didn't intentionally kill him. he hit him in an effort to get him to stop raping his 4 year old.

[Master-Debater131]

what moral implications?  That its OK to defend your loved ones from a sexual predator?

It would have been far worse if it was the other way around.  if there was precident that said you cant help anyone who was being raped then what?  Your forced with either watching your loved one get raped or spending time in jail for defending them.

[Smoothie-Skittle]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:

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We live in a society. It is not our job to kill people whom we deem as unfit to live.

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But pedophiles aren't people.

[DoseOfLaughter]

Clearly you're incapable of reading. I specifically said I understood that it is hardwired into the genetic code of parents to protect their children at all costs. I even stated that I understood why he did it. I simply do not accept his decision as the correct one.

There are other ways to remove the offender without killing him. One, being to simply remove him and then restrain him until police arrive. It's as simple as that. I do not accept that killing a person, regardless of their actions, as ever the correct response unless you are defending your LIFE or the LIFE of another in the process.


And, the people applauding this man for killing him....well, them, I do not understand one bit. You're celebrating the death of an individual, a person who could no more control his actions than a dog can stop itself from sh­itting on the carpet when neglected.

I would probably be more okay with this individual's death if I were a sociopath, I suppose.

[alucardsexyghost]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
Clearly you're incapable of reading. I specifically said I understood that it is hardwired into the genetic code of parents to protect their children at all costs. I even stated that I understood why he did it. I simply do not accept his decision as the correct one.

There are other ways to remove the offender without killing him. One, being to simply remove him and then restrain him until police arrive. It's as simple as that. I do not accept that killing a person, regardless of their actions, as ever the correct response unless you are defending your LIFE or the LIFE of another in the process.


And, the people applauding this man for killing him....well, them, I do not understand one bit. You're celebrating the death of an individual, a person who could no more control his actions than a dog can stop itself from sh­itting on the carpet when neglected.

I would probably be more okay with this individual's death if I were a sociopath, I suppose.

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wait I may be reading this wrong, but did you just say pedophiles can't control their actions? That's kind of a excuse isn't it? I mean I know pedophilia is kind of a mental illness and most of them aren't choosing to be sexually attracted to children. But know what I don't chose to be attracted to adult women but I don't go out and rape them because I have no more control then a neglected dog. That's just..wow I hope I'm understanding you wrong. If I would let anyone in this situation get away witht he excuse of not being able to control his actions it would be the dad.

Anyway I think he was probably just trying to get the guy off his daughter, and didn't realize how much damage he was doing. And considering the situation I don't blame the guy for not being able to think clearly enough to notice that he was doing to much damage. Not to mention head shots are a tricky business, you can do a lot of damage punching someone in the head without trying. So yeah I don't blame the guy at all.

[Smoothie-Skittle]

And how easy would it have been to remove him and restrain him until the police arrived?Maybe the father of the victim thought he might have a weapon?He did what he felt he had to do, which was wail on him.
Yes I applaud any parent who will take out a child abuser abusing their children. It's called understanding the humanity of children, which is not extended to just people who are parents. He doesn't need anyone to approve of the approach he took to rescue his own child.
As far as I'm concerned he had a right to use deadly force.

[DoseOfLaughter]

You are not a sexual predator. They are hunters, you are not. People do not simply choose to be sexual predators. There are usually triggers in their own lives that makes them believe that what they are doing is right.

For those who are programmed to be sexual predators, it's pretty much a toss up in their lives whether they live typically normal lives or go on to become generally fu­cked up individuals.

[DoseOfLaughter]

No weapon was mentioned.

[alucardsexyghost]

I said in my post I know they don't chose to be pedophiles. But I don't buy for a second that they can't control their actions. No they fully chose to rape childern. It's not like a involentary reflex. That's just a excuse for their actions and a bad one.

I mean if they aren't choseing to do it, and can't control themselves they shouldn't go to jail right? They should just go to a treatment center or something because hey it's not their fault.

Actually scratch that, if they are incapable of not controling their actions when they are caught the first time they should be locked up somewhere for life, no possiblity of getting out, because you know they can't control themselves so will just rape kids again. They aren't really criminals they are animals.

Actually screw that, we should just kill them because they are nothing but animals that can't control themselves.

[GoAndDieInAFire]

Well, this thread is going to end well...

[Krackitty]

You sure do defend and rationalize pedo behavior a lot.