Babbling

[lunarnoodle]

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

Man raising money for cancer research and throwing in videos on top of it, fuuuuuudge, we really are superior to women, our projects are way more efficient.

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Wow, see? The whole time I'm reading that list I'm thinking, "these will actually be interesting" and then I get here.

It's not at all about equality for you, it's about not wanting to be one upped. It's about ego.

[Buddyroe274]

This thread is starting to amuse me less and less per page.

[Pay_No_Attention]

They're at loggerheads, because despite the people in this threads' insistence, the girl raised money to buy video games an dline her pockets and throw up some Youtube videos where she #### just summarizes pages from TV Tropes under the guise of fighting sexism in video games instead of using the money to fund female indie developers or say raise money for issues that actually affect the lives and deaths of real people instead of crusading for sexual equality among fictional characters in a medium that's entire purpose is entertainment. That pissed them and a lot of people off, including plenty of females. If she really gave a #### she'd do the video for free or raise money to do something meaningful, but what she wants is money to goof off and then make some video regurgitating thing TV Tropes has already said.

[Pay_No_Attention]

Hmm that you couldn't read the last line as fascetious is your problem, not mine.

[slyfoxx2]

So you're saying research/journalism is useless before you know the results? Are you psychic, sir?

[DoseOfLaughter]

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

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lunarnoodle wrote:

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

Male gaze, such lame ass bull####. Because women don't view males through the lens of he'd be a good fuuuuuudge or he's a good enough wallet to be a provider. I guess it's ok when women reduce males to one-sided objects for their own uses, because OPPRESSION AND SEXISM AND THE PATRIARCHY AND WOMEN ARE ALWAYS VICTIMS AND HAVE NO AGENCY OR WILL OR POWER IN SOCIETY so all is fair for them.

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Wait, I'm lost.. who is saying it's ok to degrade men?

You're getting really angry about all of these mythical feminists objectifying men for sex or money, but no one in this thread is advocating anything like what you're describing.

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Dude, I'm saying male gaze is bull####, that both side views potential mates through opportunistic and selfish reasons, be it appearance, status, material wealth, whatever, and that singling out the "male gaze" as being somehow horrendous, omg men viewing women through a sexual lens, while at the same time lionizing women and saying #### like "OH WOMEN DON'T DO #### LIKE THAT! WOMEN DON'T VIEWS GUYS SEXUALLY THEY DON'T CARE IF A GUY LOOKS GOOD OR IS A GOOD PROVIDER, THEY'RE ALL SO PURE AND NOBLE THAT THEY LOOK STRAIGHT TO THE SOUL!" is total and utter bull#### and has nothing to do with gender equality.

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....What? I don't go out with someone unless I like them for who they are as a person...beyond that, appearance, status, and material wealth are quite frankly secondary and unimportant things in the long run.

Now, if I'm just looking for sex and am currently not interested in any kind of long term relationship, I will boil down a woman to her base attributes...and that's only because I want to fu­ck her and move on....and the more shallow she is, the easier of a time I have at doing that

[DoseOfLaughter]

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

I really don't find mainstream fictional images of either sex offensive or constituting of sexism, to be honest, it's #### fiction, it's unreal, policing it should be the lowest priority of anyone in society.

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Fiction translates into people's world views. For instance, there are a lot of males who are gamers who boil women down to nothing more than kitchen hood orniments who should never have fun and should wait on the guy hand and foot. This is largely due to several reasons - namely, because their world views are being created by the things they like. And, when the things they like boil a woman down to nothing more than attributes with no personality...then....yeeeeeah...

Fortunately, video game companies are startng to see this and are going back to re-invent some of their characters, such as Laura Croft. She has been completely reinvented. She's no longer a gigantic pair of t­its and ass. In the new Tomb Raider game coming out, she has a personality, she gets dirty and grimy, and she becomes equal to that of a male. You also have games like Saints Row 3, which allows you, if you so wish, to not create the stereotypically "hot female hero"...if you want, you can be the fattest, ugliest bi­tch on the face of the planet....this at least adds more realistic standards to video games, if you so want those realistic standards to be in your games.

[westpark]

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lunarnoodle wrote:

I haven't even read the article, but I'm already biased in favor of it rather than you because you have a bad attitude about women playing games. As in, you think they don't.

Poor show, man.

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Its not that we don't think they play video games, its just we laugh when they think they can even compete when we pwn them w/o even trying.

Ok now, that's enough talk, the big boys are talking here, back to the kitchen bast....

[westpark]

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BoanThugsInHarmony wrote:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/566429325/tropes-vs-women-in-
video-games

Apparently, some silly woman wandered out of the kitchen and play video games for a bit. Now, she created a Kickstarter in order to protest how badly fictional woman were being objectified in video games.

Let the White Knight faggotry commence.

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LOL we pwn them @ vidja games w/o even tryin don't we homey.

They thought they could get out of sandwich duty......oh that does make me laugh from time to time.

[DoseOfLaughter]

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I've played with and have dated girls with more talent with video games in their bodies than any talent you could ever even possibly fathom....

[westpark]

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

What research has she done, though, if she needs thousands in donations to purchase video games and video game systems? By reading the biased writings of others? So anyone caliming to be fighting for social justice can get away with anything with you people? If she was doing Tropes vs. Christians or Republicans or Conservatives in vidya games I doubt you'd be so generous with your willing suspension of disbelief as to how it is a scam.

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Hey man...if they wanna give their hard earned money to some woman to LOLOLOLOL....play video games....let them lighten their wallet. You hold onto yours. When push comes to shove they'll be asking you to buy them a drink, not the other way around. At which pt tell them to get in line with the rest of the sandwich artists who like to pretend they're in charge when stepping out of the kitchen for a 'girls night out.' BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Srsly tho, if they wanna give their $$ to a con artist that's their business, let them. As the Bible puts it: "the borrower will be a slave to the lender."

/thread.

[westpark]

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Pay_No_Attention wrote:

They're at loggerheads, because despite the people in this threads' insistence, the girl raised money to buy video games an dline her pockets and throw up some Youtube videos where she #### just summarizes pages from TV Tropes under the guise of fighting sexism in video games instead of using the money to fund female indie developers or say raise money for issues that actually affect the lives and deaths of real people instead of crusading for sexual equality among fictional characters in a medium that's entire purpose is entertainment. That pissed them and a lot of people off, including plenty of females. If she really gave a #### she'd do the video for free or raise money to do something meaningful, but what she wants is money to goof off and then make some video regurgitating thing TV Tropes has already said.

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Dude just wait til she gets audited by the IRS....if ppl wanna be departed with their hard earned cash over something as silly as this(I can think of a million better ways to fight sexism & like social ills) then let them. Their money. Also I think if she wants to #### she'd be better off getting a bunch of 'her girls' together & going into video game design studies -- & #### -- making games that appeal to her crew/her friends. And if they sell enough to make the market viable, good for her. And when they fail to sell to the male demographic & esp. the younger male demographic as being preachy or having no appeal(designers appeal to young males because they're the main fools who buy the games, not because of some implicit malicious conspiracy) then let them learn the hard way.

Something I've been coming to terms with recently -- the way the world exists -- exists because of very good reasons. And often its better to understand why things happen rather than try to waste your life trying to go on some moral crusade. But hey, her money, her time & her financial backers' money. If they're dumb enough to toss money after this pipe dream, hey let em have fun & find out in the end because of the bad economy, we're all fuuuuuudgeed.

[westpark]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
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I've played with and have dated girls with more talent with video games in their bodies than any talent you could ever even possibly fathom....

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Haku.......shut up.

When I start talking about women & sandwiches immediately your bull#### meter should pop up & realize I'm joking. Don't take obvious jokes as serious social commentary.

[westpark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PH8JuizIXw
8#!

This woman is a hysterical nutcase looking for conspiracies that don't exist in the most inane & silly of places.

The fact she looks well-fed & has time to create elaborate video monologues on such things as old Oscar lists should tell u enough. But again, if ppl wanna give her money to babble about video games or movies,(fuuuuuudge me be nice ) -- then hey good for her.

edit -- this woman is hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=zQwqepW97zs&NR=1

So basically men are either abusive & violent knuckledraggers or they're like Edward the vampire 'creepy, manipulative(....) blah blah blah.' She even disabled the comments so ppl can't offer counter-criticisms or be trollish. That's no fun & not fair.

Wow I wish somebody would pay me to talk about Twilight.  So by her definitions I lose & I'm a bad guy no matter what my personality is like. Only a masochist would take on a sisyphian task of trying to understand a woman like this. But hey, like I said, if she can find idiots to fund her lifestyle of sitting around on the couch munching on pork rinds & snickers bars while playing Metal Gear Solid while running a con saying the money's going to charity then more power to her.

[The_Pirate-King]

Westpark, you lose by virtue of being westpark.

[The_Pirate-King]

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westpark wrote:

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
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I've played with and have dated girls with more talent with video games in their bodies than any talent you could ever even possibly fathom....

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Haku.......shut up.

When I start talking about women & sandwiches immediately your bull#### meter should pop up & realize I'm joking. Don't take obvious jokes as serious social commentary.

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Oh westpark, when will you realize that you are just not funny?

[Zerstiren]

Why should we care about video games? We still need to:

- mandate the government to test rape kits immediately, not wait 12+months as in many cases

- prevent accused rapists from accessing personal info. on the victim to use against them

- equal pay

- abortion/contraception rights

- encourage women to enter the sciences

I am a little confused by what Sarkeesian is demanding. Is she wanting female characters to be dressed professionally as they slay demons, mow down muslims with machine guns, stomp on turtles, etc.? I would take her crticicisms more seriously, if she were against all inhumane and grotesque depictions. But she doesn't even give an example of what should be, as opposed to what should not be.

[lunarnoodle]

Well, the video linked in the OP is a proposal.

It's an introduction of the work she's going to do. So not offering solutions or alternatives or explaining herself completely seems like.. something that would be normal for a proposal.

Also, she explains that she is a media critic. That's her thing. She analyses media. So that could be why she's focused on media.

Perhaps all of these criticisms of her videos will come to be true and she's a horrible person after all, but for now.. she's just saying "I'm gonna do this". Maybe in examining these video game archtypes, her conclusions will be that they are positive images? She hasn't done the thing yet. She's just saying, "I'm gonna look at women in games".

[Zerstiren]

You're probably right, and she may have enough respect for her work to follow through with her philosophy on every genre in videogames. My main point is, there are a lot of female videogamers out there, and they enjoy the same military shooters (killing Muslims, Vietnamese, or flame-torching Japanese), horror scenarios, and grand theft auto games as men play. So to just ban the stereotypes about women, while retaining every other offensive scenario which we all love, would seem to be a waste of time, IMHO.

I believe it would be perfectly reasonable for a female fanbase to organize and write to their favorite videogame studios, and tell them their ideas for better ways to represent women. If all this is about  the inequality for men getting their enjoyment, while leaving female gamers high and dry, this is a valid argument. Otherwise, videogames don't have a substantial influence on how we think in the real world, as it has been gone over ad nauseum with its null relationship with school shooters. I respect women, without any "subconscious biases" silently directing my thoughts and actions, even if I play Bayonetta or other titles with scantily clad women.

[GinaSzanboti]

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Zerstiren wrote:

But she doesn't even give an example of what should be, as opposed to what should not be.

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Okay, I'll give you one.  Korra.  She's pretty, has a great body, kicks ass, and still actually wears clothes that are practical for what she's doing, but still good looking.  If she were in a video game, she'd be running around behind her kickball-sized boobs in a bikini at the South Pole, with a phallic Water Tribe necklace that pointed to her cleavage as insurance that it would be the center of attention at all times.  Kinda like this, but with less and tighter clothing.

[TahoeDenver]

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The_Pirate-King wrote:
Westpark, you lose by virtue of being westpark.

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And the woman's still a scam artist, feminist or otherwise.

[Zerstiren]

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GinaSzanboti wrote:

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Zerstiren wrote:

But she doesn't even give an example of what should be, as opposed to what should not be.

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Okay, I'll give you one.  Korra.  She's pretty, has a great body, kicks ass, and still actually wears clothes that are practical for what she's doing, but still good looking.  If she were in a video game, she'd be running around behind her kickball-sized boobs in a bikini at the South Pole, with a phallic Water Tribe necklace that pointed to her cleavage as insurance that it would be the center of attention at all times.  Kinda like this, but with less and tighter clothing.

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And I have no problem with a videogame adaptation made to the same likeness as the cartoon. If the overarching goal is to broaden the game culture to include the varied tastes of female gamers, I would have no problem. But if it is to outright eliminate prejudice and discrimination from videogames, it is a waste of time. Even if the videogaming industry wanted to, I fail to see how it could play an integral role in promoting social responsibility. I understand people playings MMOs would say otherwise; but I haven't seen any strong studies to suggest games can alter our core character.

[Buddyroe274]

They can't......It's called passing the buck........Video games are a target now because the music industry is a joke, and you can't blame this crap for influencing anyone.

[The_Pirate-King]

How is it a scam?

[alucardsexyghost]

except that chick who won that top gamer or whatever show on spike I think it was. In the finals she got like 20 or more kills in halo reach to the guys one.