ben0119 wrote:The interaction between the Soul Reapers was funny. It seems Moe might still be alive. Maybe he'll confront a dying Shu? Jackie is "probably" dead, and Yukio is in ice bondage, which will surely please DarbyBoy!
So, Ginjo and the Fullbringers shared their power? Does this mean Ginjo has all their abilities too, or just that they shared reiatsu and displayed their powers to one another? Yukio won't turn off the last dimension because of a pinky swear or are their powers somehow linked? Giruko is the only confirmed death, then?
KUBO HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS. >;D
Lmfao I did enjoy that 
And Yukio looked somewhat happy for some reason. It looked adorable.
That evil adorable basterd. >_>
AND SO YEAH. Tsuki is, or will, die soon. Unless something god forbid happens 
And Ginjo is going to reveal who he believes is the true villan. Yadda Yadda.
I can't wait to hear who that is
But srsly hopefully something useful will be revealed ^_^ :3
Shadowstaarr wrote:
samurai_omega wrote:
Uryuu was not cut by Tsukishima. Ginjo cut him down and told Tsukishima not to cut him for it would not have been fun. Not in those exact words, mind you.
I believe it is in the beginning pages of chapter 459.But chapter 458, when Ishida first showed up, didn't Tsukishima attack him? The panels aren't very clear, but he was standing behind him for the surprise attack.
MegaNaraku wrote:
It may have looked like it, but I don't think he was cut by him....it's a little hard to tell
Nooooo nonononono, guys! I wasn't talking about that part! >_< Yes, it's already been clearly revealed that when Ishida was de-armed early in the arc, it was Ginjo that did it, even though he attacked along with Shu. The incident I am talking about is much later, whenever Ginjo reveals his evil-ness. Both Ichigo and Ishida are attacked. Ginjo gets Ichigo, and Shu gets Ishida! Let me see if I can nail down the chapter... Okay, it's chapter 458, pages 15 and 16, assuming it was numbered accurately on that site and corresponds to what you guys have. It's a little hard to tell, but I think that's what happened.
And yes, I agree that Ginjo is probably talking about SS or someone involved with them, but even so, nothing can excuse how he has gone about things. I can't wait for Wednesday to hear what he says though, still!
And checking back at those earlier chapters, I remember that Moe gave Ginjo some trouble when he was on Ichigo's side, which Ginjo probably remembers, which is why he wants that guy dead, not only because of the Jackpot Knuckle troublesome power, but probably also because of Ginjo's pettiness.
Somebody else made an interesting comment as well. If Fullbringers' power disappear when they die, is that why Ginjo hasn't killed Ichigo yet, because he doesn't want to lose his Ichigo-power-up? Presumably all the still living Xcutioners would lose theirs as well.
DarbyBoy wrote:
ben0119 wrote:The interaction between the Soul Reapers was funny. It seems Moe might still be alive. Maybe he'll confront a dying Shu? Jackie is "probably" dead, and Yukio is in ice bondage, which will surely please DarbyBoy!
KUBO HAS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS. >;D
Lmfao I did enjoy that
That evil adorable basterd. >_>
AND SO YEAH. Tsuki is, or will, die soon. Unless something god forbid happens
And Ginjo is going to reveal who he believes is the true villan. Yadda Yadda.
I can't wait to hear who that is
But srsly hopefully something useful will be revealed ^_^ :3
He's cute, but that Yukio is a little turd! Saying he was hoping Riruka was dead. Hmph, he's complaining about hands and feet? Toshiro should have threatened to freeze his juevos!
Hopefully she's alive in Rukia's body (despite her disturbing past and what she did to Rukia, I still can't bring myself to hate Riruka), but since Byakuya said he detected no trace of her power, and we know what Ginjo says later about Fullbringers dying... T__T
I've already told you guys that Tsukishima won't die. 
Riruka, possessing Rukia, will turn Tsukishima into a stuffed animal, that Ishida the sewing master, having been cut by Shu, will then repair, and Shu will be saved! After all, Riruka said that Shu made the Love Gun, and when there was an explanation given that Shu could even make himself a lover with his power, a picture of Riruka was shown. Hmmm... Of course, this is totally silly, but I wouldn't put anything past Kubo! And Ishida is bound to get out of that dimension some time, and given the timeframe of manga/anime, I won't be surprised if the battle manages to finish within ten minutes (in-universe).
We all wait with baited breath who Ginjo will say Ichigo should be fighting. CONSARN YOUR CLIFFHANGERS, KUBOOOOOO!
One last thing, Aizen may have been a megalomaniacal loon (I LOVE that phrase!) that committed endless atrocities and inflicted untold suffering, but Ginjo went way too far, for some reason, making it personal with Ichigo's loved ones.
So yes, Ichigo still has plenty of reason to continue fighting, despite Ginjo's latest mind game. NOTHING Ginjo says next week will excuse his actions, but I still want to know, and I hope we also learn about Ginjo's past, as well as Shu's and hopefully Isshin's, the story behind Substitutes and whatever horrible thing Soul Society did this time!
spoilers ahead
At Urahara's shop. Inoue and Chad are sleeping.
Isshin: They've settled down...
Urahra: Yes. Tessai-san, I'll leave them to you.
Tessai: Yes.
Isshin: Where're you going?
Urahra: To where everyone else is.
Isshin: Reinforcements? I'll go too.
浦原 いえもう大半の戦いは終わってるでしょうから治療に 一心サンは役立たずなんでここに居 てくだせあい
Urahara: No, The battles are mostly finished and you're no help at healing. Please stay here.
一心 一護の戦いに加勢して早く片付けたほうがいいんじゃねえか でねえと…
Isshin: I think I should hurry up and help at Ichigo's fight to straighten up after him. If I don't...
浦原 銀城空吾から 聞かされてしまう？ …いいんスよ いずれは 知る事なんスから
Urahara: He'll hear everything from Ginjou? It's ok. He'll find out sooner or later.
474 beLIEve
イチゴ 俺が… 本当に戦うべき敵…！？
Ichigo: The enemy I should really be fighting...!?
銀城 あア
Ginjou: Yes.
イチゴ …ふざけんなよ お前らのその手の揺さぶりはもう飽きたんだよ
Ichigo: Quit bull****ting! I'm tired of your stalling tactics.
石田 そうだな 形勢が不利と見て驚愕の真実ってやつを提示して心理的に圧迫し ”だから自分 と手を組んだ ほうが得だ”という流れにもっていくのが狙いだ 違うか？
Ishida: That's right. Seeing you're at a disadvantage you present "shocking truths" to pressure him psychologically into joining forces with you. Isn't that right?
銀城 形勢が不利だと？どこを見てそう言ってる？悪りイが今の俺はお前等２人相手でも十分勝て る ためしに 後ろから撃ってみろ しゃべりながらでも弾いてやる
Ginjou: A disadvantage? How do you see that? Sorry, but right now I'm enough to handle the two of you. For instance if you attack from behind I can repel it even while I speak to you.
石田 …
銀城 黒崎 お前… 自分が何故代行証を持たされてるか知ってるか？
Ginjou: Kurosaki...Do you know why you were given the Shinigami badge to hang onto?
石田 （ーー…！）
Ishida:...!
イチゴ … …どういう意味だ？
Ichigo:...What do you mean?
銀城 …お前は代行証を渡されたときこう言われた筈だ 死神代行がソウルソサエティにとって有 益であると判 断された場合代行証を渡す決まりになっている・と …よく聞け黒崎 そいつは嘘だ
Ginjou:...They should have told you this when you were given the badge. The Shinigami badge is given when you are judged by SS to be useful. Listen up, Kurosaki, that's a lie.
イチゴ ！
Ichigo: !
石田 （…そこまでは予測していた ひとつの組織にとって有益が無益が害悪かの判断なんてそう 簡単にできる ものじゃない そして何より問題なのは”有益ならば代行証を渡す”のならば それ以外だった らどうするの かを 黒崎に教えていないことだ）
Ishida: (...I predicted that much. For a single organization to judge one's usefulness or harmfulness isn't a simple matter. And above all there's the question: if he was given the badge after being deemed useful, why wasn't Kurosaki told what would happen to him if he weren't?
銀城 正確には ソウルソサエティにとって有益か無益かは関係ねえ 有益だろうが無益だろうが 等しく代行 証はわたされる
Ginjou: The truth is, being useful or not is irrelevant. Either way you are given a badge.
石田 （…！！）
Ishida: ..!!
銀城 代行証の正式名称は「死神代行戦闘許可証」 現世での死神ア代行のかつそうを許可する証 明証だ
イチゴ 知ってる
Ginjou: The formal name of the badge is the "Acting Shinigami Agent Combat Permit." It authorizes you as the Acting Shinigami Agent in the real world.
Ichigo: I know that.
銀城 だがお前は今までに その効力を実感したことはあったか？
Ginjou: But up till now have you ever felt its effects?
イチゴ、アフさんに代行証を見せた時のことを思い出す
Ichigo remembers the time he showed the badge to Afro-san.
イチゴ 黒崎イチゴ！死神代行だ！ほれ代行証！
Ichigo: Kurosaki ichigo! Acting Shinigami Agent. Here's my badge!
アフさん 何だそれは！？そんなもの見たことも聞いたこともないわっ！！
Afro-san: What's that? I've never seen or heard of anything like it!!
イチゴ なんだコレ 全然役に立ねえじゃねえか
Ichigo: What the hell? Is it completely useless?
イチゴ …代行証には なにか別の役目があるって言いてえのか…
Ichigo:...Then you're saying the Shinigami badge has a special purpose?
銀城 …あア 代行証の役目は 監視と制御だ 代行証のおかげでソウルソサエティは常にお前の 居場所を補足でき 少なくともお前が代行証をそばに置いてるときは お前の霊圧を制御できてい た 疑問はな かったのか？ 死神の姿ですが昂れば暴走するお前の〇ｚ津が
Ginjou: Yeah. The purpose of the badge is surveillance and governance. Thanks to the badge SS can always know your whereabouts. At least as long as you're near the badge they were able to govern your reiatsu. Didn't you ever suspect? As a shinigami going on a rampage. [TN: There's a typo here so I'm not sure what she means.]
人間の姿をしてるときには何の影響ももたらされなかったことに
お前が代行証を使ってフルブリングしたとき代行証からお前の霊圧が噴き出したことに フルブリ ングの鍛錬中 に 代行証を通して仲間の声が聞こえたことにー
When you were human you even felt its effects each time. When you used the badge to bring out your reiatsu. During your fullbring training you heard the voice of your nakama through the badge.
代行証はソウルソサエティとの通信装置であり お前の霊圧を吸収し解析し制御するためのもの お前はソウル ソサエティに監視され
The badge is a communication device with SS. It absorbs your reiatsu, analyses it, and governs it. You are being observed by SS.
制御されるために代行証を渡されたんだ
You were given the shinigami badge so you could be governed.
It's not that you didn't have a sense of unease. You were unconsciously crushing it.
It's not that the opponent I understood through fighting is deceiving himself.
It's just that you wanted to believe it, ichigo.
Let me tell you. This plan's originator was Ukitake Jyuushiro, captain of the 13th division.
The Gotei 13's most peace-loving man is the one who placed us in handcuffs, Ichigo!!
Ishida (The truly awful case is none of those mentioned.)
Ginjou: His aim was to observe and control us, to use us as soldiers for SS. And to eradicate us if we resist!
Ishida: (Awful...)Kurosaki!!! (Kurosaki won't be able to withstand these kinds of truths the way he is now.)
Ginjou: All your colleagues in SS understand. They are all watching, letting you die, Ichigo.
Ishida: Don't listen, Kurosaki!!
Ichigo: Shut up!!!
Ichigo: Bankai!
A roar to erase delusions!!
End.
really detailed stuff.
I started removing the Japanese but it would have taken a while so deal with it
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