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[-Gaynor79-]

Blood-C Episode 5: Meeting in the Way Discussion

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[-Gaynor79-]

Just finished up. Good episode. I like that the fight happened early. It seems like little by little, Saya's memories are returning. And that chaotic fiery vision she has been having doesn't seem to be Vietnam like I first thought. Perhaps it's Okinawa.

I'm under the impression at this point that the male voice narrating this story is Fumito-san. And that makes me think he knows way way more than he lets on.

The teacher is another odd case. She obviously knows whats really going on but she won't come right out and say it.

Now, this is just me guessing and basing a few things on Blood: The Last Vampire and Blood+, but I get the feeling that the relationship between The teacher, Saya's father, and possibly some of Saya's friends, is that they are all part of some greater organization that has been operating in secret to destroy the elder bairns. And I believe that Fumito is the mastermind behind all of the attacks and is in reality an elder bairn himself.

But for comparison purposes, a lot of the characters have counterparts from Blood+

Fumito = Van Argeno

Tokizane = Hagi

Kanako-sensei = Julia

Saya's father = David

Class Rep = Kai

[LatinoGangsta32]

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

Just finished up. Good episode. I like that the fight happened early. It seems like little by little, Saya's memories are returning. And that chaotic fiery vision she has been having doesn't seem to be Vietnam like I first thought. Perhaps it's Okinawa.

I'm under the impression at this point that the male voice narrating this story is Fumito-san. And that makes me think he knows way way more than he lets on.

The teacher is another odd case. She obviously knows whats really going on but she won't come right out and say it.

Now, this is just me guessing and basing a few things on Blood: The Last Vampire and Blood+, but I get the feeling that the relationship between The teacher, Saya's father, and possibly some of Saya's friends, is that they are all part of some greater organization that has been operating in secret to destroy the elder bairns. And I believe that Fumito is the mastermind behind all of the attacks and is in reality an elder bairn himself.

But for comparison purposes, a lot of the characters have counterparts from Blood+

Fumito = Van Argeno

Tokizane = Hagi

Kanako-sensei = Julia

Saya's father = David

Class Rep = Kai

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OMG!! i see what you mean about that!! cause when im listening to the narration it sounds famililar but my 1st thought was Tokizane! But he seems to be caring to much about Saya cause he always there by her walking pass by and always looking at her...but i can see how he can be a Hagi hes willingly to protect her. and hes sexy!

Fumito does seems kinda suspious to me as well its how he puts himself off as. Idk how to say it but u can just see that there is nothing right about him...but hes hott ...But i see what u mean about him might being the mastermind behind all the elder barins...

Now the teacher she said in the 2nd episode im pretty sure, that she was a researcher before she became a teacher. So my guessing is that she knows about everything that goes around in town but just isnt saying anything or telling more than she knows. Along with the father hes not telling Saya the full truth.

About Saya's memories...So this is really connected to Blood: The last Vampire... May i ask how?? I see that when she has her flash backs it bits and pieces from the movie...is that the same Saya? And she just lost her memory??

And also may i ask how do you think that everyone revolving around Saya is part of an organization??

[-Gaynor79-]

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LatinoGangsta32 wrote:

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

Just finished up. Good episode. I like that the fight happened early. It seems like little by little, Saya's memories are returning. And that chaotic fiery vision she has been having doesn't seem to be Vietnam like I first thought. Perhaps it's Okinawa.

I'm under the impression at this point that the male voice narrating this story is Fumito-san. And that makes me think he knows way way more than he lets on.

The teacher is another odd case. She obviously knows whats really going on but she won't come right out and say it.

Now, this is just me guessing and basing a few things on Blood: The Last Vampire and Blood+, but I get the feeling that the relationship between The teacher, Saya's father, and possibly some of Saya's friends, is that they are all part of some greater organization that has been operating in secret to destroy the elder bairns. And I believe that Fumito is the mastermind behind all of the attacks and is in reality an elder bairn himself.

But for comparison purposes, a lot of the characters have counterparts from Blood+

Fumito = Van Argeno

Tokizane = Hagi

Kanako-sensei = Julia

Saya's father = David

Class Rep = Kai

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OMG!! i see what you mean about that!! cause when im listening to the narration it sounds famililar but my 1st thought was Tokizane! But he seems to be caring to much about Saya cause he always there by her walking pass by and always looking at her...but i can see how he can be a Hagi hes willingly to protect her. and hes sexy!

In the third episode if I remember correctly, we see Tokizane in the mysterious room with whoever is doing the narration. So I'm fairly certain he's not narrating. But he definitely fits the Hagi description. And after this latest episode, I'm inclined to believe that he has a pre-existing relationship with Saya that she doesn't remember. This is due to one of the subtleties of the japanese language. You see, when Saya collapses, Tokizane calls Saya by her first name. In japanese culture, to call one by their first name is a sign of a very close relationship. This leads me to believe that when Tokizane unwittingly did that, he revealed a closer relationship to Saya.

Fumito does seems kinda suspious to me as well its how he puts himself off as. Idk how to say it but u can just see that there is nothing right about him...but hes hott ...But i see what u mean about him might being the mastermind behind all the elder barins...

The fact that Fumito is so perfect and nice is suspicious in itself. He's too perfect.

Now the teacher she said in the 2nd episode im pretty sure, that she was a researcher before she became a teacher. So my guessing is that she knows about everything that goes around in town but just isnt saying anything or telling more than she knows. Along with the father hes not telling Saya the full truth.

Yeah, that whole bit about being a researcher and then this story on top of it is pretty obvious evidence. As for Saya's father, he definitely knows whats up. Whether or not he's the one who ultimately tells Saya anything remains to be seen.

About Saya's memories...So this is really connected to Blood: The last Vampire... May i ask how?? I see that when she has her flash backs it bits and pieces from the movie...is that the same Saya? And she just lost her memory??

I don't believe that this is truly connected to Blood: The Last Vampire in the direct sense. I think certain aspects of that story were integrated into this series. The series itself is most likely a stand alone.

And also may i ask how do you think that everyone revolving around Saya is part of an organization??

The group just seems way too unobservant about Saya. Her classmates seem to not take notice of the many injuries Saya suffers. Normally if you saw someone with most of their arm in bandages, you would question it. But they seem to not even be aware of the injuries. Not to mention, that you think someone would notice a high school girl running around town with a sword in the middle of the night. It just seems like people are letting way too much go.

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[elizbaby]

Is it just me? or did it seem as if Fumito put something in saya's coffee. I'm starting to think that it's blood of something, after all she is a vampire. 

Also, with Saya feeling sleepy..do you think shes going into her hibernation?

[-Gaynor79-]

Hmm...if he did, I might have missed it. I'm sure he makes that coffee special for Saya, so who knows what's really in it. Saya's sleepiness seems to be more of stress related thing. I don't think they would have the hibernation angle this early in the series unless this is only planned for 13 eps give or take.

[LatinoGangsta32]

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

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LatinoGangsta32 wrote:

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

Just finished up. Good episode. I like that the fight happened early. It seems like little by little, Saya's memories are returning. And that chaotic fiery vision she has been having doesn't seem to be Vietnam like I first thought. Perhaps it's Okinawa.

I'm under the impression at this point that the male voice narrating this story is Fumito-san. And that makes me think he knows way way more than he lets on.

The teacher is another odd case. She obviously knows whats really going on but she won't come right out and say it.

Now, this is just me guessing and basing a few things on Blood: The Last Vampire and Blood+, but I get the feeling that the relationship between The teacher, Saya's father, and possibly some of Saya's friends, is that they are all part of some greater organization that has been operating in secret to destroy the elder bairns. And I believe that Fumito is the mastermind behind all of the attacks and is in reality an elder bairn himself.

But for comparison purposes, a lot of the characters have counterparts from Blood+

Fumito = Van Argeno

Tokizane = Hagi

Kanako-sensei = Julia

Saya's father = David

Class Rep = Kai

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OMG!! i see what you mean about that!! cause when im listening to the narration it sounds famililar but my 1st thought was Tokizane! But he seems to be caring to much about Saya cause he always there by her walking pass by and always looking at her...but i can see how he can be a Hagi hes willingly to protect her. and hes sexy!

In the third episode if I remember correctly, we see Tokizane in the mysterious room with whoever is doing the narration. So I'm fairly certain he's not narrating. But he definitely fits the Hagi description. And after this latest episode, I'm inclined to believe that he has a pre-existing relationship with Saya that she doesn't remember. This is due to one of the subtleties of the japanese language. You see, when Saya collapses, Tokizane calls Saya by her first name. In japanese culture, to call one by their first name is a sign of a very close relationship. This leads me to believe that when Tokizane unwittingly did that, he revealed a closer relationship to Saya.

Fumito does seems kinda suspious to me as well its how he puts himself off as. Idk how to say it but u can just see that there is nothing right about him...but hes hott ...But i see what u mean about him might being the mastermind behind all the elder barins...

The fact that Fumito is so perfect and nice is suspicious in itself. He's too perfect.

Now the teacher she said in the 2nd episode im pretty sure, that she was a researcher before she became a teacher. So my guessing is that she knows about everything that goes around in town but just isnt saying anything or telling more than she knows. Along with the father hes not telling Saya the full truth.

Yeah, that whole bit about being a researcher and then this story on top of it is pretty obvious evidence. As for Saya's father, he definitely knows whats up. Whether or not he's the one who ultimately tells Saya anything remains to be seen.

About Saya's memories...So this is really connected to Blood: The last Vampire... May i ask how?? I see that when she has her flash backs it bits and pieces from the movie...is that the same Saya? And she just lost her memory??

I don't believe that this is truly connected to Blood: The Last Vampire in the direct sense. I think certain aspects of that story were integrated into this series. The series itself is most likely a stand alone.

And also may i ask how do you think that everyone revolving around Saya is part of an organization??

The group just seems way too unobservant about Saya. Her classmates seem to not take notice of the many injuries Saya suffers. Normally if you saw someone with most of their arm in bandages, you would question it. But they seem to not even be aware of the injuries. Not to mention, that you think someone would notice a high school girl running around town with a sword in the middle of the night. It just seems like people are letting way too much go.

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Oh ok i see what you mean about Tokizane. Cause i thought it was really weird how he always kept a close eye on her always watching her and always around her. I also thought it was weird when she was gonna collapse hes the 1st person to get up and go after even though he was like on the other side of the room. I really think hes in love with her. And also it makes me wonder if he has capabilities like how Hagi was in Blood+. More and More as it goes on he peeks my interest.

About the organization. I can see what you mean about that because that part with the bandage arm i was thinking to myself like doesnt her friends notice that her arm is wrapped up?? Like she couldnt have done something that bad to her arm at home or on the street UNLESS they are use to her clumsy ways and automactically assume that she got that injurt due to her clumsiness. I also realized that Tokizane notice Saya's injury on her cheek in the 2nd episode and gave a serious look and told her to be more careful... I also thought about the situation to about her running around at night time too. I was also thinking to myself there has to be one person that notices her but doesnt and also with all the noice that goes on and the monsters remains left behind UNLESS the burn and dissolve by the next morning but there is dead people and blood every where soo im guess the towns people are cleaning up the evidence.

[LatinoGangsta32]

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elizbaby wrote:

Is it just me? or did it seem as if Fumito put something in saya's coffee. I'm starting to think that it's blood of something, after all she is a vampire. 

Also, with Saya feeling sleepy..do you think shes going into her hibernation?

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That sparked my interest too! Saya never fell alseep in the tea shop and right after the coffee she fell alseep im convinced he did put something in her drink. Maybe hes tryna wake up her full potential powers or hes just plain evil!! Fumito gets more and more suspious each episode.

About Saya going into hibernation i dont know about that cause she is kinda starting to wake up more and getting her memory back and as in Blood+ when Saya got all her memory back and knew what she had to do; as more went on she started to feel sleepy and was about to go into hibernaton. Maybe with this Saya it might be the beginning side affects but i doubt she probably go into hibernation because if this is kinding basing on Blood: The last Vampire that Saya didnt hirbernate

[ZenAkunoAkira]

Hi there : )
I am Akira
New to this forum. I wanted to talk about Blood-C but I couldn't find a good forum for it until now.


So first I wanted to express my thought about Blood-C

for first 2 - 3 episodes, I have read many people were disappointed about Blood-C or that it lacks impact and saying it's a disppointment + a bad show.
I do understand where they are coming from because I would say that the first few episodes did not have as much impact if compared with Blood+
But how could a person say if they have not seen the final of the End of a show? It just seem very impatient of people to say so.

Blood-C didn't give me a BIG impression but watching it and knowing the fact it's made by Clamp
I enjoyed it.

Clamp always had a pattern of starting things slow or having a bit of innocent / light elements to their shows.
Clamps is also good at giving or making us wonder about things, there's always a mystery to the story.
This is shown through
- Card Captor
- Tsubasa Chronicle
- Code Geass
e.g.

After thinking of this fact, I reckon Blood-C started of great with the slice of life element.

Episode 1 - 3
The pattern of the episode start of with a very cheerful girl having her normal daily rountine
And then half way, we see myterious creatures which she has to defeat for unknown reasons.
Have anyone notice even tho the pattern is pretty much the same, there are all these little things that makes us question about stuff?
The suspicous Dog
The vision that Saya kept seeing.
The weird eyes turning Red when Tokizane walked away from Saya at school e.g.

Anyway, to me the episodes were great, I believe they are done for the purpose of showing the pattern of Saya's everyday life. I believe we could take this and believe This Lifestyle of Saya has gone for Days, Weeks or Months e.g.

So when Episode 3, a monster talked to Saya we can already know that this is not normal and therefore, it's the start of bring us into the big picture Just by such a simple line "Honour the Convenant".

Anyway, I should talk about Episode 5


I totally agree with the idea that Fumito is the Mastermind as he is a Fai (TCR) Type of character, smiles innocent but hides his true colors.

I must state, some Anime Openning tells or gives hints to you what we should expect, or the mood of the show or hints to what to focus on. Blood-C's op is definitely something we should take more care to look at the details it gives me.

From the Openning Video,
After Saya is introduce, FUMITO is the SECOND Character to be quickly introduce!!!! followed by the Father.
Then the class rep and Tokizane.
The tall girl who is friends (suppose) in the opening seem like she may could be something too.



Anyway

My thoughts of the show.
I have reasons to believe that Saya might be living in an illusion
or her everyday daily routine is not what it seems.
I aren’t certain but something seem odd.

Episode 3 – when she encounters the dog and go and grab it saying “Don’t go off the road, a car might come and hit you”.
Did anyone catch on that the street always seem very quiet to be normal?
This has been happening for almost every episode.
That no one seems to be around or on the street?
Yes it can be Clamp is showing that it’s a peaceful town
But really, do you really think so?
Another thing, has anyone notice that we don’t get to see any other classmates talk or interact or does anything in the episodes?
We only see Saya and her friends. Yes it could be possible Clamp is just focusing on the main cast. But even in Episode 5, no one reacted when Saya faint.

Maybe some/all of Saya's Friends aren't human.


If Fumito is not a bad guy. He is just a guy who is aware of what Saya is.

Maybe the talking Dog is the Eye / Head of the Elder Bairn?
(Talking, Yeah I am pretty sure it can talk (Clamp always have some sort of talking animal. Kero, Mokona, Talking Dog in Kobato)

Episode 3, Fumito serves something different to Saya’s father. He say that the father can only stand weak coffee is a lie as Saya is actually being served Blood without knowing. If it’s not blood it’s some sort of drug / chemical that control her instincts.

Have anyone notice that when Fumito is touching Saya’s face with his hands, that could be a sign of caring or trying to connect with a person, but if you have seen Detective Conan
It is said that it’s a way that an FBI agent use to tell or sense rather a person is lying or not.


The Father of Saya is a Shrine Priest, so maybe he is the one that made a contact with the head of the Elder Bairn
A Convenant in which Elder Bairn may devour humans only on certain nights of day, week, year e.g.
Opening the part where there is two moon might symbol human and Elder Bairn. The mysterious figure might be Fumito (if you look closely, it might be proof it is because of the figure shadow)

Anyway, the father cannot stand the thought of so many innocent lifes being eaten so.
Somehow, Saya was born / created / summoned / he discovered in Saya’s Sleeping Spot (Like Blood+ Saya)
therefore the father of Saya is likely not Saya’s biological father.

P.S. Nene & Nono might not be Clamp's usual pattern of Twins
There is 3 Nene/Nono. The Preview of Episode 6 shows this.
So this really makes me think that maybe what I said above is true "Some/ all of Saya's friends aren't human"

Something RANDOM
but Tokizane has Blue Eyes + the fact that Saya has some sort of attraction to him
Could he be somewhat like a Diva in this Blood-C?
I am not saying he is a Twin of Saya or Diva reborn e.g. but could his eyes glow? : P

Too much to write not enough time to write it all and proof read so
I will leave it at this for now. What do you guys think?

[LatinoGangsta32]

Hello Akira!! Welcome to Adult Swim!! I hope you like it here!

I see what you mean about everything you just said about Fumito he still has alot of questions to be answered about him. i for one never thought about the coffee part that it is blood and not coffee. That makes lot of sense! cause i was wondering in what point or part of this show is Saya gonna be drinking blood, i mean she is a vampire. It made me wonder...To me i still thinko that Fumito is still suspious in away that you cant telll right off the bat until later on episodes. I do believe that he does know what Saya does everynight because i feel like he secretly watches her. Like in episode 4 or 5 im not sure at this moment lol  when she was fighting one of those Elder Barins and have you notice she passed out right after the fight and how did she get home?? Her father doesnt know where she is located and i also notice that no matter how weak she gets from a fight she always walks home and then the day repeats but that time she passed out and didnt wake up until the next morning who carried her home???

Tokizane <3 I thought that his eyes can do the same thing Sayas can cause weirdly hes the only person with Colored Eyes and its Blue at that!! He is does care and i think love Saya and is like her protector like Hagi was a Chevalier for Saya. I dont know what more to say about him cause hes still a mystery to me. He calls Saya by her first name so there has to be a close connection with them.

The friends i notice they dont pay mind to her injuries or anything. The next episode im not sure how thats going to play out but i cant wait to see it and discuss about it!!

Lol idk what more to say cause i basically said everything on my mind when u look at the messages before ours of what i think. But you really make a vaild point about everything u said. =). I hope you tag along with the discussion threads with us!! i like your point of view! =)

[ZenAkunoAkira]

Thanks for the welcome LatinoGanga32 : )

I can't wait to watch the next episode too!!!
Actually I can't wait to see how this whole series play out!!!!

Yes that would make sense LatinoGanasta32, that totally puts Fumito the guy on the side of seem good guy of Saya's Father
But later on Fumito reveal himself as the mastermind theory. 

Last night I had to go out so couldn't finish my thought of the show.
Just wanted to continue with ideas that might be interesting or help someone figure out things


Saya's headache

You guys know how I mention on the last post that maybe giving Saya some sort of drug to control Saya?

What IF, if it's a drink that would make Saya maintain her current self or personality?
This would make sense. It makes Fumito giving Saya Blood make sense even more, yes?

See, Saya will switch personality or turn on RED EYE MODE when she needs Blood or in danger.
That's why she has a different personality or Persona
That's why she would not have memories of what happens of the previous day.
Maybe Saya is attracted to Tokizane's Blood? - That School part where her eyes went RED

The reason why Saya is fainting now and then or headace is beginning to get worst is because
 - Her other Persona is starting to be awaken / take hold of Saya / switches more often than Saya
 - The other Persona needs more Blood?
 - The other Persona would not allow Saya to die (of course)



A random thing that came to my thought the first time I watched Episode 5 and did not have time to mention

The Woman that ran away from Saya
I know it's scary to see someone covered with Blood
But WHAT IF Saya herself is a Elder bairn?
Just because it's Blood, it doesn't mean that we are always dealing with Vampires or have to call Saya a Vampire.
So in Blood-C case, Saya is a Elder Bairn that needs Blood

Either way, Assuming that the reality that Saya see is fake / illusion - That her friends are not human e.g.
I want to point out that maybe to human's eyes, Saya's appearance could actually be a monster?
We see Saya's appearance as to what Clamp has drew out and want us to see but there's a possibility that Saya True look is a Monster.
Yeah, a weak theory but I thought I say it because that woman who ran away from fear is because she sees before her a monster who has safed her life.


Have to leave again.....


One RANDOM thing I really like to see in this show, (Not a must), is for the Tsubasa Chronicle Trio to show up because Blood-C is directed by CLAMP.

- Spoiler for Tsubasa Chronicle + Kobato-
Tsubasa Chronicle - Fai, Kurogane, Syaoron + Mokona have to continue their journey across dimensions because of an event (A Price) that occured towards the end of the Manga.
Kobato - (Shortly after the end of Tsubasa Chronicle's Manga ended) The Gang showed up and they met with the Kobato in the Anime. Pretty sure this is something special to the Anime only ( I could be wrong).
                (Does anyone know where I can read the Kobato Manga?)

So with the above information, I see Blood-C as an opportunity for Clamp to allow Tsubasa Trio to come in or make a Cameo?

[ZenAkunoAkira]

Oh and FIRSTLY I am not Japanese
I studied Japanese, got the name through an exchange program host family and have been using ever since
If I use Japanese words to reference and I am wrong, do correct me : )

GUYS HONESTLY!!!! Watch Episode 1 AGAIN!
When Saya makes her way from School to Home
THERE IS LITERALLY NO ONE TO BE SEEN ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!
EVEN IN SCHOOL GROUND THERE IS NO ONE AT ALL!!!!!
So could my theory saying that the Reality that Saya lives in is an Illusion True?
( I am aware that the Class Rep in an episode have pointed out that their town/ village does not have many people, but he used the word “Abandon”!!!)


A Random Theory which I just thought out!!!!
I am going to use “Elder Bairn” instead of “Vampire” because the show has not mentioned a single time there are vampires.

AND I AM THINKING very Tragedy or even Twisted as we are dealing with CLAMP!!!!!
There’s always some sort of sad side to a story.

- Proof-
Tsubasa Chronicle
Code Geass
EVEN Kobato, Kobato is actually dead because of the talking Dogs fault (Sorry for spoiler)

I am trying to piece together everything
Another CLAMP’s pattern – There’s usually some sort of link for their stories as like Yuuko (XXXholic) say
“Nothing in this world is coincident, every is Hitsuzen”
I can translate this line as
“Nothing us CLAMP do is Random, Every decision we make for our work has meaning”

CLAMP also and usually write stories that make us the readers learn or question between
Moral, Ethnics, what is Right, what is Wrong. E.g.


Anyway here’s the theory and my attempt to link things or put things into picture


Saya’s Father is a Elder Bairn needs to drink Blood?
Saya’s Mother was a Human
Saya is a Mix of Human + Elder Bairn that needs Food and drink Blood to live.

Yes it could be the other way round be I will explain in the following

Elder Bairn and Human bleed is a forbidden love? Will explain.


Saya is a Mix of Human + Elder Bairn
Therefore two personality.
Saya needs to drink blood to remain human and that is what Fumito gaves to Saya secretly.

The cheerful girl during day is Saya’s Human blood flaut and her alter Red Eye side is the Elder Bairn side.


See it was mentioned by Saya’s father that Saya’s Mother was a Shrine maiden
She might of been like Saya who slay monsters by night.

In the past, Saya and the Father fought, somehow they got together.
(NOT SURE HOW, Yes I am missing some sort of piece here)
Ok one or the other somehow give care to another and somehow feelings was developed

anyhow the two have a baby and the baby is none other then Saya
The father because the fact that he is a Elder Bairn, his Elder Bairn one day unfortunately made him drink / kill his wife / lover.

The father is sadden by his mistakes so he became a Shrine Priest in memory of Saya’s Mother
learn to live as a human.
He raised the child to slay his own kind to redeem his mistake.

HERE IS WHERE FUMITO plays in

When this fake illusion daily life of Saya ends ( Which I believe is beginning because Nene is begin attacked)
I do believe many or almost all the characters will be killed or reveal themselves as Bosses that Saya has to defeat.

Somehow The father is killed – Maybe by Friends of Saya but I reckon NAAA, probably Fumito (IF he is mastermind), by unknown LAST BOSS or even it’s possible by Saya herself!!!

If Father is killed by Saya, here is reasons I can think of
1. Father has lost his human form, Father made Saya kill him
2. Saya lost her human personality and she kills not only her friends but their own Human(Or maybe Elder Bairn) Father as well.


Fumito can be either human or an Elder Bairn.
If Fumito if he truly is the narrator, then whenever we hear the narrator talk.
I believe that PART of the story is from the End of this Series.

At this point, Saya is unconscious and Fumito has Saya somewhere.
(see whenever Narrator is talking, there are small flashes of Saya to be seen, check it out yourself)

When the light (which Saya is trying to reach is our, that White glowing Sacred Blade thing) in Saya’s version is revealed to be Tokizane comes to Saya’s rescue.

Tokizane is confronted by Fumito
And Fumito question Tokizane “What makes a person human?”

This reveals to us that the Narrator is Fumito all along.

Fumito asking Tokizane What makes a person human is because
Fumito has been watching on the side of Saya’s every action.

Saya being a Half Human Half, Half Elder Bairn or Full Elder Bairn or Vampire

Saya can sing, be clumsy at times, Can feel Happiness, joy, pain, fear
Does all this not make her human?

The next question only apply if what I said about Saya killing her friends or her father did not occur (Which I believe is more likely that Saya is not the one responsible to for their death if those characters do perish, I just need to state above to point out it can be the case.)
Is Saya consider a Human for her actions on killing innocent Elder Bairn, whom by the Honour of Covenant, are eating for their own survival.

Elder Bairn – they mention Honour the Convenant, this must be a contract made by a human and a Elder Bairn at some point that allows Elder Bairn to devour human freely.

So all these Elder Bairn that Saya has killed can be considered “Innocent”.
Saya’s action by slaying them can be considered as “Wrong doing / Breaking the Law”

So Is it right for Saya to slay them to protect the people she loves?


See I believe it is valid point to something
I mention about Clamp making us the reader question about life

Tsubasa Chronicle – I believe in simple it is about Consequence of our actions. We need to pay a price for the actions we take. It is also about making sacrifices.


Blood-C – I believe it might be the series to teach or question what actions are alright for us human to take?


This is why I will stick to what I have posted already that the first 3 Episodes are done well

The slice of life element in each episode.
It shows that a people can life simple as to not have TV (Episode 3 Saya said) and still can live happy.
Things can be simple but never what it seems for a person.
E.g. e.g.


Ok I think I wrote enough for the night
So.......what do you guys think?

Do feel free to say that
- I am wrong or you
- don’t agree on what I said
- or even say you dislike my ideas.

Please do say why or what is your point of view : )
Just want to learn and understand : )

Thanks : )


ZenAkuNoAkira

[LatinoGangsta32]

Well! That's a mouth full...I have a lot to say to that...since I'm at work I can't so I will get to u once I'm off of work

[LatinoGangsta32]

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ZenAkunoAkira wrote:

Thanks for the welcome LatinoGanga32 : )

I can't wait to watch the next episode too!!!
Actually I can't wait to see how this whole series play out!!!!

Yes that would make sense LatinoGanasta32, that totally puts Fumito the guy on the side of seem good guy of Saya's Father
But later on Fumito reveal himself as the mastermind theory. 

Last night I had to go out so couldn't finish my thought of the show.
Just wanted to continue with ideas that might be interesting or help someone figure out things


Saya's headache

You guys know how I mention on the last post that maybe giving Saya some sort of drug to control Saya?

What IF, if it's a drink that would make Saya maintain her current self or personality?
This would make sense. It makes Fumito giving Saya Blood make sense even more, yes?

See, Saya will switch personality or turn on RED EYE MODE when she needs Blood or in danger.
That's why she has a different personality or Persona
That's why she would not have memories of what happens of the previous day.
Maybe Saya is attracted to Tokizane's Blood? - That School part where her eyes went RED

The reason why Saya is fainting now and then or headace is beginning to get worst is because
 - Her other Persona is starting to be awaken / take hold of Saya / switches more often than Saya
 - The other Persona needs more Blood?
 - The other Persona would not allow Saya to die (of course)



A random thing that came to my thought the first time I watched Episode 5 and did not have time to mention

The Woman that ran away from Saya
I know it's scary to see someone covered with Blood
But WHAT IF Saya herself is a Elder bairn?
Just because it's Blood, it doesn't mean that we are always dealing with Vampires or have to call Saya a Vampire.
So in Blood-C case, Saya is a Elder Bairn that needs Blood

Either way, Assuming that the reality that Saya see is fake / illusion - That her friends are not human e.g.
I want to point out that maybe to human's eyes, Saya's appearance could actually be a monster?
We see Saya's appearance as to what Clamp has drew out and want us to see but there's a possibility that Saya True look is a Monster.
Yeah, a weak theory but I thought I say it because that woman who ran away from fear is because she sees before her a monster who has safed her life.


Have to leave again.....


One RANDOM thing I really like to see in this show, (Not a must), is for the Tsubasa Chronicle Trio to show up because Blood-C is directed by CLAMP.

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Spoiler

Spoiler for Tsubasa Chronicle + Kobato-
Tsubasa Chronicle - Fai, Kurogane, Syaoron + Mokona have to continue their journey across dimensions because of an event (A Price) that occured towards the end of the Manga.
Kobato - (Shortly after the end of Tsubasa Chronicle's Manga ended) The Gang showed up and they met with the Kobato in the Anime. Pretty sure this is something special to the Anime only ( I could be wrong).
                (Does anyone know where I can read the Kobato Manga?)

So with the above information, I see Blood-C as an opportunity for Clamp to allow Tsubasa Trio to come in or make a Cameo?

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One thing i have to say if you have a spolier when ur typing there is a smiley that has his eyes covered use that if u ever have a spoiler ok...cause sometimes thats how u can get banned most of the time

Saya going into her RED EYE MODE i can see whhere your coming from with that. I think it is an organization to make Saya feel comfortable and treat her like a normal person with other capabilities thats why they have her in school and have friends etc. Now when she goes to the coffee shop which is in the morning and after school she drinks the coffee or in this case BLOOD i do believe it is something to maintain her state of who she and not her other side. As far as the headaches goes i also agree that now her life is starting to begin for the simple fact of after meeting that one Elder Barin that talked and said "Honor The Covenant" It triggered her memories to come back slowly and her headaches started to begin and her true self is coming out...As seen in Blood+ That happened to Saya as well her, she had the headaches and then her memories started to reemerge and her true self came to be and she knew what she was suppose to do.

Now about what u said...I see what you mean about Saya being a Elder Barin...there isnt much of vampires spoken about it but if her memories are coming back and her flash backs are to those of the Saya in Blood: The last Vampire then she is a vampire...Also in the episode where she was fighting 3 Elder Barins there was 3 guys in the water and she saved the other too but those men didnt seem to be creeped out or Scared to be around Saya. I do believe that it might be an illusion all her friends and everyone who lives there..

[LatinoGangsta32]

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ZenAkunoAkira wrote:

Oh and FIRSTLY I am not Japanese
I studied Japanese, got the name through an exchange program host family and have been using ever since
If I use Japanese words to reference and I am wrong, do correct me : )

GUYS HONESTLY!!!! Watch Episode 1 AGAIN!
When Saya makes her way from School to Home
THERE IS LITERALLY NO ONE TO BE SEEN ANYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!
EVEN IN SCHOOL GROUND THERE IS NO ONE AT ALL!!!!!
So could my theory saying that the Reality that Saya lives in is an Illusion True?
( I am aware that the Class Rep in an episode have pointed out that their town/ village does not have many people, but he used the word “Abandon”!!!)


A Random Theory which I just thought out!!!!
I am going to use “Elder Bairn” instead of “Vampire” because the show has not mentioned a single time there are vampires.

AND I AM THINKING very Tragedy or even Twisted as we are dealing with CLAMP!!!!!
There’s always some sort of sad side to a story.

Spoiler

- Proof-
Tsubasa Chronicle
Code Geass
EVEN Kobato, Kobato is actually dead because of the talking Dogs fault (Sorry for spoiler)

I am trying to piece together everything
Another CLAMP’s pattern – There’s usually some sort of link for their stories as like Yuuko (XXXholic) say
“Nothing in this world is coincident, every is Hitsuzen”
I can translate this line as
“Nothing us CLAMP do is Random, Every decision we make for our work has meaning”

CLAMP also and usually write stories that make us the readers learn or question between
Moral, Ethnics, what is Right, what is Wrong. E.g.

Anyway here’s the theory and my attempt to link things or put things into picture

Spoiler

Saya’s Father is a Elder Bairn needs to drink Blood?
Saya’s Mother was a Human
Saya is a Mix of Human + Elder Bairn that needs Food and drink Blood to live.

Yes it could be the other way round be I will explain in the following

Elder Bairn and Human bleed is a forbidden love? Will explain.


Saya is a Mix of Human + Elder Bairn
Therefore two personality.
Saya needs to drink blood to remain human and that is what Fumito gaves to Saya secretly.

The cheerful girl during day is Saya’s Human blood flaut and her alter Red Eye side is the Elder Bairn side.


See it was mentioned by Saya’s father that Saya’s Mother was a Shrine maiden
She might of been like Saya who slay monsters by night.

In the past, Saya and the Father fought, somehow they got together.
(NOT SURE HOW, Yes I am missing some sort of piece here)
Ok one or the other somehow give care to another and somehow feelings was developed

anyhow the two have a baby and the baby is none other then Saya
The father because the fact that he is a Elder Bairn, his Elder Bairn one day unfortunately made him drink / kill his wife / lover.

The father is sadden by his mistakes so he became a Shrine Priest in memory of Saya’s Mother
learn to live as a human.
He raised the child to slay his own kind to redeem his mistake.

THIS MIGHT BE A SPOLIER....

Spoiler

HERE IS WHERE FUMITO plays in

When this fake illusion daily life of Saya ends ( Which I believe is beginning because Nene is begin attacked)
I do believe many or almost all the characters will be killed or reveal themselves as Bosses that Saya has to defeat.

Somehow The father is killed – Maybe by Friends of Saya but I reckon NAAA, probably Fumito (IF he is mastermind), by unknown LAST BOSS or even it’s possible by Saya herself!!!

If Father is killed by Saya, here is reasons I can think of
1. Father has lost his human form, Father made Saya kill him
2. Saya lost her human personality and she kills not only her friends but their own Human(Or maybe Elder Bairn) Father as well.


Fumito can be either human or an Elder Bairn.
If Fumito if he truly is the narrator, then whenever we hear the narrator talk.
I believe that PART of the story is from the End of this Series.

At this point, Saya is unconscious and Fumito has Saya somewhere.
(see whenever Narrator is talking, there are small flashes of Saya to be seen, check it out yourself)

When the light (which Saya is trying to reach is our, that White glowing Sacred Blade thing) in Saya’s version is revealed to be Tokizane comes to Saya’s rescue.

Tokizane is confronted by Fumito
And Fumito question Tokizane “What makes a person human?”

This reveals to us that the Narrator is Fumito all along.

Fumito asking Tokizane What makes a person human is because
Fumito has been watching on the side of Saya’s every action.

Saya being a Half Human Half, Half Elder Bairn or Full Elder Bairn or Vampire

Saya can sing, be clumsy at times, Can feel Happiness, joy, pain, fear
Does all this not make her human?

The next question only apply if what I said about Saya killing her friends or her father did not occur (Which I believe is more likely that Saya is not the one responsible to for their death if those characters do perish, I just need to state above to point out it can be the case.)
Is Saya consider a Human for her actions on killing innocent Elder Bairn, whom by the Honour of Covenant, are eating for their own survival.

Elder Bairn – they mention Honour the Convenant, this must be a contract made by a human and a Elder Bairn at some point that allows Elder Bairn to devour human freely.

So all these Elder Bairn that Saya has killed can be considered “Innocent”.
Saya’s action by slaying them can be considered as “Wrong doing / Breaking the Law”

THIS MIGHTI BE A SPOLIER AS WELL NOT SURE

So Is it right for Saya to slay them to protect the people she loves?


See I believe it is valid point to something
I mention about Clamp making us the reader question about life

Tsubasa Chronicle – I believe in simple it is about Consequence of our actions. We need to pay a price for the actions we take. It is also about making sacrifices.


Blood-C – I believe it might be the series to teach or question what actions are alright for us human to take?


This is why I will stick to what I have posted already that the first 3 Episodes are done well

The slice of life element in each episode.
It shows that a people can life simple as to not have TV (Episode 3 Saya said) and still can live happy.
Things can be simple but never what it seems for a person.
E.g. e.g.


Ok I think I wrote enough for the night
So.......what do you guys think?

Do feel free to say that
- I am wrong or you
- don’t agree on what I said
- or even say you dislike my ideas.

Please do say why or what is your point of view : )
Just want to learn and understand : )

Thanks : )


ZenAkuNoAkira

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I did notice that too!! I know just cause the the class rep said there is no one in the town doesnt mean u cant see like a car or 2 drive pass by...I'm like where are all the people and and cars?? you dont see no one but there every day people...you dont even see the other people in the school besides her class mates!! even at lunch time its only them or you see Tokizane! Im loving this show more and more cause it just keep getting more mysterious!! i cant wait to see how the other episodes play out

[ZenAkunoAkira]

Hey LatinoGangsta32 : ) !!!

Thanks for reposting what I wrote and making it better for others to read : D

How do you make that "Spoiler: drop down thing?


AWESOME!!! you noticed it too!!!! HI FIVE!!!!!"
I noticed it and was suspicious the first time I saw Episode 1

Yes you could be right about people making her feel comfortable : )
It somewhat backs up the idea of why Saya's Daily life is just an Illusion.

Other materials that backup the theory is



From the Openning song Lyrics, I am picking out sensitive lines.
[ Credit to [Underwater] for translation of Episodes and opening lyrics : ) ]

"All Things I believe will never crumble" - Yes it wiil Saya Chan : P
" I want to evade reality in daily life" - Refers to Saya slaying Monsters at night?

"Forlorn hope is left in this world"
Forlon - can expressive of hopelessness, desparing, lonely or unhappy.
Forlon Hope - Can refer to a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the lead part in a military operation, such as an assault, where the risk of casualties is high

"And this spell is the only truth I've got, yami wo kirisaite (I slash apart the darkness)"
The only truth Saya got is that she is a shrine maiden and student by day and at day, a monster slayer.
This line might refer that Saya aren't aware of what is truily going on but with her father's truth, she goes to battle?

"Appearance of my sin, soon it's all ruins around me"
"I've nothing to believe in anymore, except what I can see"

"That's my last this care of my reality"
"Apocalypse for me to know" - Apocalypse, the event that will destroy this illusion of made believe happniess?



Hey What happens IF
Saya's father mentioned something about the Real World & Dream World

Is it possible that there is two Saya in this show?
Or that it is two different time era we are seeing?

The Saya who is a Maiden and slaying monsters are the present Saya
Whenever she falls asleep is when she dreams of her everyday school life
Or that Saya is remembering the old days of her normal school life?

Every morning she goes to Fumito, Fumito gives Saya Blood + Sleeping Pills that allow her to go to the Dream World.
By Night time, she awakes and goes to the Father to slay monsters.

In the Present - Most Human in that village has been eaten by Elder Bairn.

In the Past - That is the time at some point the Convenant is made. During this time period, Saya's real friends are all killed somehow ?
Something happened during the time when Saya and her friends are truly and fully human.
It made Saya what Saya is now. A Half Elder Bairn or Vampire e.g.

At pressent - all her friends are merely Elder Bairns.


Yes this theory has a lot of grab holes too.

But I guess I want to say that

That's why Saya's headache is getting stronger in the real world.
In the Dream world, whenever she gets too close to the truth, she faints because she wakes up.

And most importantly

Tokizane is The Present father of Saya for the simularity between the two.

Saya of the past did Love a man called Tokizane

Because of the event in which everyone is killed and Saya becomes a Elder Bairn / Vampire.
This event leads to [Blood:The last vampire]
And then shortly after the event in [Blood:The last vampire] Saya falls asleep.
Tokizane protected the place Saya is sleeping until she is awaken again.

Some years has passed and Tokizane has now aged.
Saya awakes but with not much memory of the past, she calls out to Tokizane
"Otosan" instead of "Lover"
[ This will explain the weird relationship lover husband part that you guys mentioned ]
Tokizane/ The Father has now accepted the fact that only Saya can defeat the monsters and decided he will at the very least create the machi"town" which Saya used to know by letting her dream?
The Mother whom The father mentioned is in fact Saya her old self.

[LatinoGangsta32]

Hey Akira! BTW I love Japanese culture! I always wanted to learn Japanese!!!

To do the spoiler...when you reply you see there is a toolbar...there is color, font and size, smiley faces etc....in that same toolbar there is a SMILEY FACE that looks like its covering its face/eyes....highlight the area thats a spoiler and then click that smiley that covers its face/ eyes button and then ur set to go...

Now I will get to ur post when I'm on my computer ok

[LatinoGangsta32]

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ZenAkunoAkira wrote:

Hey LatinoGangsta32 : ) !!!

Thanks for reposting what I wrote and making it better for others to read : D

How do you make that "Spoiler: drop down thing?


AWESOME!!! you noticed it too!!!! HI FIVE!!!!!"
I noticed it and was suspicious the first time I saw Episode 1

Yes you could be right about people making her feel comfortable : )
It somewhat backs up the idea of why Saya's Daily life is just an Illusion.

Other materials that backup the theory is



From the Openning song Lyrics, I am picking out sensitive lines.
[ Credit to [Underwater] for translation of Episodes and opening lyrics : ) ]

"All Things I believe will never crumble" - Yes it wiil Saya Chan : P
" I want to evade reality in daily life" - Refers to Saya slaying Monsters at night?

"Forlorn hope is left in this world"
Forlon - can expressive of hopelessness, desparing, lonely or unhappy.
Forlon Hope - Can refer to a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the lead part in a military operation, such as an assault, where the risk of casualties is high

"And this spell is the only truth I've got, yami wo kirisaite (I slash apart the darkness)"
The only truth Saya got is that she is a shrine maiden and student by day and at day, a monster slayer.
This line might refer that Saya aren't aware of what is truily going on but with her father's truth, she goes to battle?

"Appearance of my sin, soon it's all ruins around me"
"I've nothing to believe in anymore, except what I can see"

"That's my last this care of my reality"
"Apocalypse for me to know" - Apocalypse, the event that will destroy this illusion of made believe happniess?



Hey What happens IF
Saya's father mentioned something about the Real World & Dream World

Is it possible that there is two Saya in this show?
Or that it is two different time era we are seeing?

The Saya who is a Maiden and slaying monsters are the present Saya
Whenever she falls asleep is when she dreams of her everyday school life
Or that Saya is remembering the old days of her normal school life?

Every morning she goes to Fumito, Fumito gives Saya Blood + Sleeping Pills that allow her to go to the Dream World.
By Night time, she awakes and goes to the Father to slay monsters.

In the Present - Most Human in that village has been eaten by Elder Bairn.

In the Past - That is the time at some point the Convenant is made. During this time period, Saya's real friends are all killed somehow ?
Something happened during the time when Saya and her friends are truly and fully human.
It made Saya what Saya is now. A Half Elder Bairn or Vampire e.g.

At pressent - all her friends are merely Elder Bairns.


Yes this theory has a lot of grab holes too.

But I guess I want to say that

That's why Saya's headache is getting stronger in the real world.
In the Dream world, whenever she gets too close to the truth, she faints because she wakes up.

And most importantly

Spoiler

Tokizane is The Present father of Saya for the simularity between the two.

Saya of the past did Love a man called Tokizane

Because of the event in which everyone is killed and Saya becomes a Elder Bairn / Vampire.
This event leads to [Blood:The last vampire]
And then shortly after the event in [Blood:The last vampire] Saya falls asleep.
Tokizane protected the place Saya is sleeping until she is awaken again.

Some years has passed and Tokizane has now aged.
Saya awakes but with not much memory of the past, she calls out to Tokizane
"Otosan" instead of "Lover"
[ This will explain the weird relationship lover husband part that you guys mentioned ]
Tokizane/ The Father has now accepted the fact that only Saya can defeat the monsters and decided he will at the very least create the machi"town" which Saya used to know by letting her dream?
The Mother whom The father mentioned is in fact Saya her old self.

MIGHT BE A BIIIGGGG SPOLIER!

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WOW!!!! I like where your coming from with all ur questions and answer!! they are soo well thought out and detailed!! i dont think much people would of thought that much into to it! lol I dont even know where to begin or what to say!! lol

I did notice that no one was in that town and it really seemed weird to me tooz!! lol I rememeber in Blood+ they had many characters, they had the cars pass by and all the other daily life things you would normally see but in this there is no one!! Now the Saya from Blood: The last vampire to the Saya in Blood-C i still do not know how they are related...im still confused about that....Cause the Saya from Blood: The Last Vampire worked for the government and if we are to assume that this Saya is not working for the government but living in the illuison then how these two Characters related?? Mmmmmmmm it makes me wonder! lol

omg your awesome!! ur gonna be my new bff <333333 lol can u PM ( Private Message)???

[ZenAkunoAkira]

Thanks for the comment LatinoGangsta32, It's very nice to hear that someone enjoys my ideas : )

I have spoken above that we are dealing with CLAMP

Another Theory which contain Spoiler for CCS / Tsubasa Chronicle Info

Spoiler

If I were to link the Even'ts of the 3 Series "Blood: The Last Vampire, Blood+, Blood-C"

If CLAMP allowed the Tsubasa Trio into a random Cameo episode or CLAMP allow the rule that there are mulitple Dimensions

The 3 Sayas are the same person sharing the same soul. They are just present in different Dimensions.

Therefore, Saya's headache could be a sign that either she sees into the other Dimension version of herself [ Like how CCS Sakura was able to help TCR Clone Sakura in a Dream ] "Saya's Father mentioned Real World and Dream World, so it's possible, no? [It's CLAMP]

It could also be the other two Saya's somehow warning Blood-C Saya the "Apocoloypse" [From Openning Song Lyrics "Apocalypse for me to know"] that is coming ?

Oh and LatinoGangsta32
That weird "No One" thing.
It's not just the Town or in the Story.

The Whole Ending Song Video of Blood-C
NO ONE are in those too. It features Only Saya.
[ Yes, I am aware that Saya's Voice Actress Nana Mizuki, is singing the song ]
So it can be look at as a Character Song. For a Video to feature only the Character I suppose it's normal.

But it makes it " !? "
 

[-Gaynor79-]

Hey guys. I'm not sure how many of you noticed, but episode 6 has yet to be released on Nico Nico. I'm not sure why, but the next scheduled airing is August 18th. I'll keep you guys posted if anything changes.

[LatinoGangsta32]

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

Hey guys. I'm not sure how many of you noticed, but episode 6 has yet to be released on Nico Nico. I'm not sure why, but the next scheduled airing is August 18th. I'll keep you guys posted if anything changes.

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Aww really? That **beast**!! Yes please keep me updatee

[elizbaby]

why? o_O