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Diva's vs. Saya's Chevaliers

It doesent seem too fair that Saya has so much choice to pick from Diva's chevaliers to be her husband, but yet Diva only has Hagi
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KittyKiska wrote:
It doesent seem too fair that Saya has so much choice to pick from Diva's chevaliers to be her husband, but yet Diva only has Hagi

in the beginning, but she gets riku later on. welcome to the boards, btw...

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in the beginning, but she gets riku later on. welcome to the boards, btw...


 but riku doesent stay around for long, so it stays with only hagi really.
and thanks :smileyvery-happy: 

 

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KittyKiska wrote:


in the beginning, but she gets riku later on. welcome to the boards, btw...


 but riku doesent stay around for long, so it stays with only hagi really.
and thanks :smileyvery-happy: 

 


Yeah, but afterwards, it didn't really matter anymore. Diva had done the evil deed with Riku and had kids. There was no need for another.

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KittyKiska wrote:
but riku doesent stay around for long, so it stays with only hagi really. and thanks :smileyvery-happy: 

you're welcome...

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I'm kinda of gald dive didn't do that to hagi.
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Diva's hands down.
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Oh yea riku did get force **BLEEP** by diva.

Can't say its a bad way to die.

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i've done some research and its accurate (except where I let you know it's not certain) :

 

1. Joel Goldschmidt (the very first/original) is born in 1811.

2. Joel and his assistant, Amshel Goldsmith, establish the "zoo" in 1832 in Bordeux? (not sure if spelled right), ?France? (i don't know where Bordeux is, but i'm guessing France). Joel is 21 years old. (I presume) Amshel is probably around or near the same age.

3. A (...presumably...) dead  female humanoid bat like mummy is found in Iceland and brought to the "zoo" in 1833, is named Saya.

4. The mummy mother's two baby "girls", Saya (yes, she and her mother were given the same name) and Diva (originally Diva is never given a name, she only gets her name Diva from her sister Saya much later), are "born-awakened-came out of cacoon egg" in 1833 (from Amshel's dripping blood onto the cacoons from the cut to his finger due to the scalpel slipping against the too hard cacoon material as he try to cut open the cacoon and knicking-cutting his finger as he and Joel dissect the mummy, discover the two cacoons in her stomach, and try to cut them open).

5. Saya and Diva both grow to the age of (~ what looks like) a 16 year old girl and than stop to age further, despite being much older than 16.

6. Hagi as a boy (maybe ~ age 6-10) is bought as a slave and brought to the "zoo" to be Saya's servant (actually in hope of him being her mate later when he grows older) in 1863 or shortly (1 or 2 years at most) after. This makes Hagi ~ age 24-30 when he dies and is resurrected as Saya's chevalier in 1883.

7. Saya releases Diva on Joel's 72nd B-Day (1883). Hagi falls down the cliff to his death (in trying to get a flower for Saya so that she can give it to Joel as her present). Saya gives dead Hagi her blood and he will be resurrected as her chevalier (but she doesn't know it just yet, since he goes into a coma after he spasms back alive). Saya runs back to Joel in hopes that he can help her save Hagi, but finds the place in flames and everyone is dead. Diva has killed everyone and is finishing up dead Joel of the last of his blood.

 

Chronological order of chevaliers:

 

1. (Due to the fact that he only looks middle aged, maybe ~around 40-50) Amshel Goldsmith (Diva's chevalier) must have been bitten by Diva (Amshel cared for Diva, where Joel was cruel, so he probably wasn't killed by Diva along with the other humans in 1883 and than resurrected as her chevalier afterward, like Hagi killed from falling down the cliff and resurrected as Saya's chevalier) sometime around ~1861 (this is 50 years for Joel, so give or take a few years if Amshel and Joel are a few years apart in age) in the "zoo" in Bordeux, ?France?

 

2. Hagi (Saya's chevalier) in 1883 in the "zoo" in Bordeux, ?France?

 

3. Gregory (Diva's chevalier) in Russia around the revolution (1917-1919). He (as a girl named Alice or Alicia, I think) is killed also at this time by Saya as he protects/blocks Saya from going after Amshel and Diva on the carriage (Saya and Diva go back to sleep very shortly after).

 

4. Solomon Goldsmith (his real last name is uncertain, if Goldsmith isn't his last name, that is) (Diva's chevalier, but Diva "divorces" him due his love towards Saya. Solomon joins Saya's side before he is killed only a bit later) is a medical doctor during WWI (1914-1918), though exactly where (what country) is unknown (Amshel brings Solomon down into the basement of a castle and uses his own blood to awaken Diva so she can than, and does, bite Solomon, turning him into her chevalier. Unfortunately, nearly every country in Europe has castles).

 

5. Carl the Phantom (Diva's chevalier) is a mongoloid/asian, whom Gregory had theorized is most compatible with the Queens, is brought to Diva to be her mate (like Hagi was for to be Saya's mate) in Vietman in 1972 near the end of the war (entire war among the countries Cambodia, Laos, and vietnam occured from 1959-1975). Diva bites him and turns him into her Chevalier. He encounters a berserk Saya (due to her being forced awake with Hagi's blood under David Senior.'s order, whom was responsible and in charge of Saya, deciding to awake her in hopes of killing Diva) while in charge of a sleeping Diva (inside her crate) and falls into a perverted love with Saya's power and destruction, while remaining in love and faithful to Diva. This is when Carl losses his arm (from Saya) for his first time and Hagi losses his arm (from Saya as well, she was after all berserk and attacked Hagi as well as everyone else) for the first time too.

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The UNknowns: 

 

"6". James Ironside (Diva's chevalier) is a black american military officer. Unfortunately, when he was turned into a chevalier is completely unknown. In the animated series, he shows up after Carl (1972). But, again unfortunately, this still does not mean that he isn't an older chevalier than all of them (except Amshel and Hagi, of course). Though, all of their past dealings have been in first Europe to Russia to Vietnam to America, so this suggests that possible James is a younger/newer chevalier than Carl is.

 

"7". Nathan is a theatre/stage play person. I have no idea what ethnicity or country he is from (though he is located in Europe). Nor do I have any idea when he became a chevalier as well. In the animated series, Nathan has the least information about him. In the animated series, he shows up after Carl (1972). But, again unfortunately, this still does not mean that he isn't an older chevalier than all of them (except Amshel and Hagi, of course).

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8. Riku Otonashi (adopted last name. his real last name is unknown) is Saya's foster little brother and later becomes (Saya's chevalier). He is (*presumably*) mongoloid/asian like Carl is. His parents were killed and George Otonashi took him in (along with Kai, also an orphan, and of course Saya, an orphan as well, lol). They lived happily in Okinawa City (Koza), Okinawa Island, near the U.S. Kadena Air Base, in 2005. Riku obviously has to be mature (able to sex age. since he will be forced to impregnate Diva due to being/getting raped by her) so that means he has to be at least ~ age 10-13 (when males hit puberty and start making spermatozoa cells).

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As to Saya's chevalier vs. Diva's chevalier:

 

Hagi RULES

 

reason why:

 

 Amshel clearly is the strongest of Diva's chevalier and yet.....

 

Hagi beat Amshel, whom was in his true form and using his full powers, both in his first battle in the sky with him and than in the second battle killed Amshel (with Saya's bloodied sword) in the theatre/stage room, without even using his true form and powers.

 

Based on the above, I'm sure Hagi could even take on and kill all of Diva's chevaliers at once at the same time.

 

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though, to be fair, chevaliers can NOT be killed without the opposite queen's blood (Diva's or Saya's). Diva's chevaliers for whatever reason never use Diva's blood when they fight. so if they did or had they did, they'd only need to get one good cut and Hagi be dead. Hagi never used Saya's blood either, except the one time at the very end of the animated series to kill Amshel.

 

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HOWEVER, *I* bet Hagi in his true form and using his full powers, could easily kill all of Diva's chevaliers at once at the same time without taking a single hit-cut !!!!

 

this is my opinion though.

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(remember that the "presumably dead" mummy mother was in her true form, a female humanoid bat, not a seemingly human body like Saya and Diva)

 

so....

 

it's too bad we never get to see Diva and Saya in their true form, full of blood (more blood they drink the stronger they become), and using their full powers.

 

especially Saya the WARRIOR (Diva only wanted to have kids and be a mommy. she's really not that evil. Saya's much more evil) ..... if Saya is scary when she's berserk in her human form and starving (she's never fed a lot of blood through the entire animated series, which is why she is so weak compared to Diva), than imagine Saya berserk in her true form, full of blood, and using her full powers.....

 

now that's S-C-A-R-Y !!!!!

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O__O holy crap
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I have 1 thing to add even though Diva just wanted to have kids she did rape riku to have children To me that's kind of evil

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. who won in the final battle Saya Or Diva

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KittyKiska wrote:


in the beginning, but she gets riku later on. welcome to the boards, btw...


 but riku doesent stay around for long, so it stays with only hagi really.
and thanks :smileyvery-happy: 

 


well when Saya brought him back 2 life she has 2 of them nd ur right she ended up with one husband left...but the thing is she only needed one to get pregnant and have the babies

 

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if we are talking about humans and the reproduction of humans, than yes, diva raping riku was evil-wrong.

 

however....we are talking about another species, and one that has a very very very different reproduction method from us humans.

 

riku was a chiropteran when diva mated with him (or else diva would have never got pregnant). obviously riku was at a mature age (able to reproduce).

 

now in different human cultures/countries we have our own views of appropriate age for reproduction that don't match up with when our bodies are able to reproduce. for example, where i live, the legal age is 18. the biological age for males to be able to reproduce though is like 10-14. but where i live my culture-society would be/is horrifed. they think that is way too young. though if it is like two 12 year olds who have sex, its bad, but oh well kinda attitude. of course some one over 18, at least a male, is gonna get lethal injection or life imprisonment if he has sex with a 12 year old girl. females who are over 18 who have sex with like a 12 year old male, many times don't even, barely, get punished by law)

 

but anyways...back to blood+...yes riku looks young, so you and me are kinda grossed out by what diva did....but you have to remember riku isn't human anymore.

 

and you should know that age differs greatly amongst different species. take for example dogs and humans. a dog is a full grown adult at age 3. a human isn't a full grown adult until between ~ 18-30. Or, take a tree, it is not adult until like it is 200 years old. Or, take a virus/bacteria, which is an "adult" and reproducing just after like 30 seconds of it's "birth".

 

and than there's my theory:

 

diva not only get's pregnant with riku's babies during the mating, but diva like actually steals his soul/essence at the same time becoming riku. think of chiropteran's mating as like a succubus' mating.

 

this is obviously very different from when humans mate. when humans mate we don't steal our partner's soul/essence into us and become our partner.

 

diva becomes diva-riki. she has his figure and his appearance. she has his voice and mannerisms. she has his memories. all of this can be seen in the episode where they are on the U.S. aircraft carreer and diva sings turning the humans watching into chiropterans.

 

well in this episode, diva tries to coerce kai into becoming her chevalier by showing/using all these things i mentioned above.

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yes, riku, didn't give consent to diva's advances, but is their a chiropteran legal system that has a law that says rape is a crime in the chiropteran species ??

 

we can't apply our (human) species and values-laws to another species (chiropteran). we aren't the same, we don't think the same, we don't act the same, we don't reproduce the same, etc....

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8. Riku Otonashi (adopted last name. his real last name is unknown) is Saya's foster little brother and later becomes (Saya's chevalier). He is (*presumably*) mongoloid/asian like Carl is. His parents were killed and George Otonashi took him in (along with Kai, also an orphan, and of course Saya, an orphan as well, lol). They lived happily in Okinawa City (Koza), Okinawa Island, near the U.S. Kadena Air Base, in 2005. 

 

 

Actually, Riku and Kai's  adopted last name and George's given last name was Miyagusuku.   Saya was the only one whose last name was Otonashi, but they never said why... And since you mentioned it, it's "Bourdeax" and yes, it's in France.

 

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ah thanks, about the correct spelling of bourdeax, france. my apologies for not spelling correctly.

 

and ya i realized after i posted that otonashi, was only saya's last name, and not kai's and riku's, as you said, they had/have george's last name of Miyagusuku.

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yes otonashi is a tease into saya's past. when did she get this name?

 

clearly its asian (and i think japanese? please correct me if wrong), so amshel and joel wouldn't have given her this name being that they were in france.

 

so saya must of gotten it sometime after the zoo, but while in asia (probably japan if it is indeed japanese), and before awakening and living with george in okinawa.

 

i wonder if haji also has it (otonashi) as his last name....and they just used it together. or if someone given saya the last name.

 

we know that in blood: the last vampire (mainly the live-actor movie in 2009, but i think it was also hinted at in the old anime movie), saya is living with an old feudal japanese community-village. so this must mean it happened before vietnam, where the red shield (blood+) / covenent (blood: the last vampire), used-"recruited" her. she might of gotten otonashi while living within this old feudal japanese cummunity/village.

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correction to the above post:

 

the covenant -> the COUNCIL

 

*my apologies*

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"7". Nathan is a theatre/stage play person. I have no idea what ethnicity or country he is from (though he is located in Europe). Nor do I have any idea when he became a chevalier as well. In the animated series, Nathan has the least information about him. In the animated series, he shows up after Carl (1972). But, again unfortunately, this still does not mean that he isn't an older chevalier than all of them (except Amshel and Hagi, of course).



I believe that Nathan was actually the eldest of the Chevalier's and the strongest. Because he was neither Diva, nor Saya's true Chevalier. He was thier Mother's. It was hinted to Amshell earlier in the series. He IS older than Amsell and Hagi. Thus the reason they all put up with his antics, they couldn't defeat him, they had no hopes in doing so. He would have whooped them all. He was there for a show, that is all.

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How I see Nathan is YES he is the eldest Chevalier, but I don't believe he was Saya and Diva's mothers Chevalier. I think he was their mothers sisters Chevalier and as such most likely their Father. That's just my thoughts on him at least, but I doubt we'll ever really know the truth about Nathan...

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I think he was their mothers sisters Chevalier and as such most likely their Father. That's just my thoughts on him at least, but I doubt we'll ever really know the truth about Nathan...


interesting idea. i wish i could remember exactly how that all went, but there was a reason i thought he was their mother's chevalier. guess i need to order the second box...

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AoiTenshiKiiachi wrote:

How I see Nathan is YES he is the eldest Chevalier, but I don't believe he was Saya and Diva's mothers Chevalier. I think he was their mothers sisters Chevalier and as such most likely their Father. That's just my thoughts on him at least, but I doubt we'll ever really know the truth about Nathan...


I've always thought he was thier mother's, but you make a good point that he could be thier father.

 

Though he seems way to gay...

 

Maybe it was before he discovered himself XD

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AoiTenshiKiiachi wrote:

I think he was their mothers sisters Chevalier and as such most likely their Father. That's just my thoughts on him at least, but I doubt we'll ever really know the truth about Nathan...


interesting idea. i wish i could remember exactly how that all went, but there was a reason i thought he was their mother's chevalier. guess i need to order the second box...


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in the beginning, but she gets riku later on. welcome to the boards, btw...


 but riku doesent stay around for long, so it stays with only hagi really.
and thanks :smileyvery-happy: 

 


i think riku as a chevalier was a waste. he was killed too early.

 

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