Creative Works

[4-HBabe]

Or should we just leave them alone?

Have you noticed how long some of those threads have been up there?

Are there some newer threads that are float worthy?

Does this bother you?

Or have you noticed at all?

Do you even know what I'm talking about or am I just in here talking to myself?

[-Gaynor79-]

I'd say "Bleach: Happy to Serve You" should get floated. It's an on-going doujin work and is becoming extremely popular both here and on DA.

[fool_on_the_hill]

Personally, I think what this place needs is a compiled index of all the major stories/comics/artwork that are either still in progress, on hiatus, or dropped. Kind of like an updated, but more thorough version of the Fanfic News thread. Maybe some Helpers can approach it like a wikia...

[4-HBabe]

I think a Creative Works wiki/index would be a great idea!

But how will we determine which threads are chosen for each category?

And what should the categories be?

[fool_on_the_hill]

I think the users who wrote/drew their work could submit them to be included in the index (or in the case of stories that have long been dropped, other users can ask for them to be inserted). We could have one section entirely for written works that's divided by fan fiction and original stories. For art, we can have an art gallery where, again, we divide it by either fan art or original work.

[DangerHikky]

Should there be a divide between fics which use OCs vs. ones that don't or should it just be divided (at first) between original fiction and fanfiction??

That's something I'm a bit curious about.

After that it gets into particulars like series/genre that kind of thing.

[HardcoreHunter]

Then there are things like the doujin elfie and I are doing which would be some kind of Visual Works since it has pictures.

[DangerHikky]

Sure, comics can get their own category as well.

Then there's visual works like Cid's in-development visual novel, so maybe all visual works should just be in their own category.

Also as far as threads that can be unfloated, the contest thread is pretty irrelevant now.

I kind of think that since Arcturus and Isao go to white castle has been up there for like forever, it could probably be unfloated too.

Everything else should probably stay up there.

There could be a rotating featured fanfic thread up there for current ones though.

And they could be up there for maybe a month???

But yeah definitely if a wiki thread gets made, that oughta go up there.

[Jingai]

 First of all, this is probably my fault, I didn't think to properly address this issue when I first

approached Humbug about changing the folder name and expanding the content. My apologies.

 That said, I think that there are presently two courses; we can work with most of what we already have,

or we can go 100% new. First, the working with what we have:

 The Fanfic writers reunite thread can stay, the only change I'd make would be to drop the Fanfic from the title,

and simply have it be a writer's reunite.

 We can keep the Fanfic News, and change the title to Create Works News.

 Arcturus and Iaso go to White Castle can be removed, it is funny, but it is also almost a year old.

 The ASMB Writing competition can be removed, the contest ended a while ago.

 We can change the name of the Ground Rules thread, substituting Creative Works for Fan Fiction.

Odin's reminder about posting patently offensive material remains.

  The benefit to doing these simple changes is they bring the folder up to date, are easy to do in that the OP, or in

the event of the OP no longer being here regularly any Helper or Mod/Admin, can do it. There isn't much in terms of

a downside to doing this, and it wouldn't take very long either. Three or Four PMs and it is done.

  The other option would be to start over with 100% new threads. In that instance, I would think that there should be

four threads; a Rules thread, a Writer's Resource thread, an Artist/Comic/Visual Novel Thread and a content catalog

thread.

  The Rules thread would be fairly straightforward, and best done by someone with a Red name. I would suggest that

emphasis be placed on content standards for posting or linking, that seems to be the biggest single source of questions.

I would also think that, for organizational purposes, people be encouraged to create a thread of their

own for posting links to their artwork or poetry, a kind of portfolio if you will. This will help keep things organized

over the long run. Simple and concise would be the keys here, and leaving it open to allow for people to ask an individual question regarding a specific scene would be fine.

  The Writer's Resource thread would be a combination of the current Fanfic Writer's reunite thread, and Cidthekittyisfun's

Resource thread with links to helpful sites like name generators etc. The purpose would be having a place for general

or specific questions about current projects, bouncing ideas about possible projects, or even just talking about writing,

writer's block, what kinds of authors or genres you like and why.

  The Artists/Comic/Visual Novel thread would be the same, only aimed towards those sorts of endeavors, for which I have

no talent and therefore limited knowledge. I'd defer to artistically inclined people on what kinds of resources can go in

there, though links to things like good cheap tablets etc. would probably be helpful.

  The content catalog would be the final thread, an index/wikia thread for all the content that the folder currently has.

I'll kind of do up a blank template, how I would do that particular thread.

  Written Works

  Fan Fiction

Story Title  Author (Original Show and Genre)

  Original Fiction

Story Title Author (Genre)

  Poetry

Thread link Author

  Art and Visual Works

  Fan Art

Thread Artist (Show/shows, genre and medium)

  Original Art

Thread Artist (Genres and medium)

  Comics

Thread Artist (Genre and medium)

  Visual Novels

Thread Artist (Genre and medium)

Story Titles would be links to thread. (I'd have actually linked but I'm not an attention seeker.)

 In the case of the various Art categories, I would think that the Thread would be that artist's portfolio thread, though

there is certainly nothing wrong with having a separate thread for a long running comic or Visual Novel.

Medium is a reference to the manner in which the art work is done, i.e. charcoal, oil paint, water color, computer etc.

 (Thanks Hikki. )

  As far as which option I am leaning towards, I think that I will withhold my judgment until I see some more input,

particularly from people who might see their currently featured threads no longer featured. It seems to be the polite

thing at the least to let them speak, and I think that a little more community input in general would be a good thing.

I am fine with either option that I gave out, and as far as the format for the Content Catalog thread, that is just

a rough template, more of a working basic model, at least as I would envision it. Since this issue is largely the

result of my lack of foresight, I won't press for either option as I see it, but rather I'd like to see what other people

have to say.

[DangerHikky]

Really really good post Jingai

Yeah I pretty much agree with everything up there.

As for an artist's resource, I've been collecting resources for art on my private blog for some time so I'd be totally willing to help out with that kind of thing. ;0

(and the term is medium, really close)

[Jingai]

I thought of something, we have a Writer's thread, but don't have
an Artist thread, so it kind of makes sense to have one, regardless of
actually starting over with 100% new threads or going forward with what we currently have.

[DangerHikky]

I personally think that starting over with 100% new threads could be a good idea, except with the small possibility that people who frequented the old threads the new ones would be replacing in a sense might not be too keen on the idea.

[Jingai]

 I thought about that, and I think that at the very least the people who originally made those threads

should be consulted. In my view, that is the polite thing to do. The more I think about it, the more

I tend to think that going 100% new might be beneficial to everyone involved, a new folder name

and a new start with updated resource and rule threads. I have nothing against editing the existing threads

and updating them as needed. I do think that we should have an Artist's resource thread and the

content catalog thread regardless of which option we ultimately choose. Both of those threads would

go a long way in helping improve the organization and helpfulness of the folder as a whole.

[cidthekittyisfun]

uhm... do you think maybe this thread could be floated? it was suppose to be a thread i made linking resources and other helpful links...(although if more ppl contribute or i find more things on teh internet id be glad to organize it better into sept stuff like maybe resourches for writing, art, music, etc....) i think it might be a useful thread (i hope it is) for everyone...incase they get stuck, not sure where to find something, want tips and help on improving (which the thread maybe can be for that too? a sort of help center place for creative corner idk)

also i read through this thread i like kohikkis idea of visual works (i was about to ask where things like comics and visual novels would go as they both are written and drawn haha..) and i love jingys format and idea too! i think that works out really great <3

also wut about maybe adding idk a misc. category? if thers anything that doesnt fit into art or writing or visual works (like wut if someone idk makes a song and posts it? where would that go?)

its nice to organize this more, since it includes so much things can get cluttered fast.. oooh! also wut about maybe listing things as inactive or active? like when listing the fanfics maybe make a little sub thing that says inactive/active..same with art or something....thatll make things easier for ppl to know as well if something is still going or wut.. and oh maybe a completed one too?

[DangerHikky]

I was thinking that your thread should definitely be floated.

Actually, the rules post needs to be revised too.... and some other things. I do think we really should start fresh with new threads up there in the floats as per Jingai's suggestion.

Old threads can be linked to in a sort of inventory of old floats in a new Welcome thread. (We badly need a new welcome thread that explains what this folder is for now that the scope of things is wider than just fanfics)

[cidthekittyisfun]

rly? oh im glad <3 it got kind of burried which is a shame >_< someday ill go looking around the internet/my bookmarked sites and see what else i can find for that thread.

ah! yeah i like that idea too of everything being fresh and new <3 alot of the floated threads are kind of outdated/not very active either >_> since we have a new name, and new purpose, only makes sense to have a new welcome thread, etc....i wonder if youd need a mod to make a welcome/rules thread or could a helper do it?

[DangerHikky]

I think a mod would probably need to look over it just to make sure the rules are clear and fit the purpose of the folder and all, but I think aside from that just about anyone could do it.

I'm thinking of starting putting together some stuff for the wiki thread idea.

I think Jingai's suggestions for threads are pretty much all we really need up there. Your thread already serves as a good resource thread for writers.

[cidthekittyisfun]

ah, yeah thats a good idea <3 maybe we can all brainstorm and think of rules and stuff to put in the new welcome/rules thread. I still think we should keep odins thread floated, since it gives extra confirmation from a mod telln ppl no naughty stuff XD

thats a good idea! do you want any help?
and jingys format is perfect! really nicely organized. thanks...i should add some maybe art resources too (i kinda did by linking to some visual novel stuff still good for other things i think.....)

[DangerHikky]

Nah the art resource thing could be a different thread, and the visual novel stuff might want to go in there...

But yeah help would probably be good. It's sort of 4 AM right now so I'm not totally ready to start anyway or work on hammering out the details but any help you're willing to offer would be much appreciated.

[cidthekittyisfun]

hmm thats true! could be two threads a litterature and an art resource threads.

yeah its late its only 1:30am here and im already tired. but sure whenever you need my help let me know, ill do all i can <3

[DeaconPhenix]

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fool_on_the_hill wrote:
Personally, I think what this place needs is a compiled index of all the major stories/comics/artwork that are either still in progress, on hiatus, or dropped. Kind of like an updated, but more thorough version of the Fanfic News thread. Maybe some Helpers can approach it like a wikia...

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I compiled all the current/hiatus/dropped stories into one big post a little while ago. I'll have to dig it up for ya.

EDIT: Found it. It's called "What you should be reading" by Bad_Witch. I spent about 2-3 hours putting the list together and it covered practically everything that's been going on in the folder for a long time. If we're still talking about floating threads, I can pull that post into its own thread if you'd like and we can update it every now and then.

[Jingai]

  The more I think about this, the more I lean towards doing 100% new threads for the folder.

 As I stated earlier, I think we really only need four floated threads, a Welcome/Rules thread, a Writer's Resource thread,

an Artist's resource thread, and the Wikia thread.

 Deacon, since you have compiled the mega list for the "What you should be reading thread", that will certainly help with the Wikia thread, so props to you for that individual effort. I also like the idea of the stories having some kind of listing as

to their being completed, ongoing or on hiatus. I'm sure something could be figured out easily enough for that.

 Cid, it was always my intention to have any new Writer's resource thread include your list of links, as well as any other

links that people might want to offer. I appreciate the effort that goes into finding things like that, so certainly they

deserve to be in the new Writer's thread. Other things such as definitions from the current writer's thread would

also be excellent candidates for inclusion in the first few posts of any new Writer's resource thread. I was thinking

something along the lines of a brief OP stating the thread purpose, followed by a post of all the links Cid has found,

followed by a post of definitions and terms.

  I'm going to leave the Artist Resource thread to Hikki, because he is much better equipped to handle it, and knows much

more about what kinds of things would be useful in it than I could ever hope to.

  The New Welcome and rules thread really should be done by someone with a Red name, even if we kind of

go over rough drafts by committee or work on it and have them post it. I think it sets the needed tone, that

Rules are governed by the Mods and Admins, so I feel it is important to have a Mod or Admin actually post

the new Rules and Welcome thread.

  I think that the banner contest thread should also be either floated or a link included in the Welcome thread, that

is certainly something that should be prominent as well.

 More as I think of things.

[4-HBabe]

I agree with all of this. Minimum number of floated threads with maximum amount of information.

I sent Luuv a PM regarding the new Welcome thread. So, we can work out what we think it needs to include, and I'm sure he'd write it if we asked him. We could ask Humbug, but he's so busy I hate to add another thing.

[Jingai]

 I see Luuv cleaned up the floats and made a new Welcome thread.

I read the Welcome thread, I don't think there is anything more that needs to be added.

There is one question regarding it, should it be a thread where people can ask specific questions

regarding content acceptability, or should we perhaps lock it and leave it as is?

 The next steps of course would be to have someone work on the other threads, since we are going 100% new.

I think we should have some kind of basic OP worked out in this thread and agreed upon by general consensus,

then perhaps have whichever Helper feels like it do the actual new threads that will be featured. Feedback is

critical, so don't be shy about it.

  I'll get some ideas put together in a more organized fashion later and post them here.

[4-HBabe]

I think the idea of letting people ask questions in the welcome/guidelines thread is a good idea. 

If it gets bogged down with chatter then we can lock it.