Death Note

[Meilag32]

Settling for low expectations is no way to go through life. After all, you'll never see the stars if you don't look up. 

I was going to say contacts, too.  Was she shooting a scene or something?  Actors sometimes wear lenses to change their eye color for different films.

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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Meilag32 wrote:

Settling for low expectations is no way to go through life. After all, you'll never see the stars if you don't look up. 

I was going to say contacts, too.  Was she shooting a scene or something?  Actors sometimes wear lenses to change their eye color for different films.

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Ever see a movie that's been praised to the skies only to think it wasn't that great?  You expect awesome things, yet it didn't measure up.  When I got Inception, it had been RAVED about by my friends who had seen it, but while I expected it to be good, I reserved judgement until I had seen it.  I was blown away.  I've seen it at least a half dozen times by now and I like it more every time I see it.  I'm like that.

I'm one of these people that hopes for the best but expects the worst (at least I'm prepared for the worst).  Of course that's a generalization, but I like being pleasently surprised when things are better than I expect them to be. I know I'm goofy, lol.

I don't know if the contacts are related to her shooting a scene. When she showed up at Light's house for the first time her eyes were blue. She was at home with Rem watching the news report on tv advising the second Kira to not approach Kira, etc. and it looked like she was in her pajamas.  Unless she was working earlier in the day and just didn't take them out.  Then she gets dressed and goes over to Light's.  I don't know.  Yeah, I can wave my hands and say 'she wore them for a job' but to see a character whose eye color goes back and forth, it kind of takes me out of the story a little bit.

[Meilag32]

Yes, I've gone through that.  But, I said that although I do have many disappointments, the few times where I find perfection in something, it negates all those bad ones.  It doesn't matter what came before or how long I searched, I found perfection in something and it was great enough to make me not care about the failures, because I found the ultimate success.  That feeling...you'll never find it by settling for less. 

It's not that I expect to find the best of something every time I do something, I just shoot for it, but expect to miss.  But just because I missed perfection and expected that I would, doesn't mean it feels any better.  My view is that: if you don't even aim for it, you'll never reach it.  If you do aim for it, even though the odds are long, you may actually pull it off. 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the coloring department may be to blame for this.  It sounds like a design flaw more than a plot point. 

[Bad_Witch]

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SpikesMrsSpooky wrote:

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Meilag32 wrote:

Settling for low expectations is no way to go through life. After all, you'll never see the stars if you don't look up. 

I was going to say contacts, too.  Was she shooting a scene or something?  Actors sometimes wear lenses to change their eye color for different films.

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Ever see a movie that's been praised to the skies only to think it wasn't that great?  You expect awesome things, yet it didn't measure up.  When I got Inception, it had been RAVED about by my friends who had seen it, but while I expected it to be good, I reserved judgement until I had seen it.  I was blown away.  I've seen it at least a half dozen times by now and I like it more every time I see it.  I'm like that.

I'm one of these people that hopes for the best but expects the worst (at least I'm prepared for the worst).  Of course that's a generalization, but I like being pleasently surprised when things are better than I expect them to be. I know I'm goofy, lol.

I don't know if the contacts are related to her shooting a scene. When she showed up at Light's house for the first time her eyes were blue. She was at home with Rem watching the news report on tv advising the second Kira to not approach Kira, etc. and it looked like she was in her pajamas.  Unless she was working earlier in the day and just didn't take them out.  Then she gets dressed and goes over to Light's.  I don't know.  Yeah, I can wave my hands and say 'she wore them for a job' but to see a character whose eye color goes back and forth, it kind of takes me out of the story a little bit.

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I always figured the eye color changes were for work. If I remember correctly, all the press releases early in the series have Misa's eyes as blue, as well as any work scenes. Most of the time her eyes are brown. The only instance I can think of where Misa's eyes were blue and she wasn't at work was when she first met Light.

I think this was one of her more brilliant moves, probably brought on by Rem, if they are indeed contacts. Misa knew the rules of the Death Note, about the face and name matching. Perhaps if things hadn't gone as planned with her meeting with Light and he tried to kill her, it might not have worked. Wearing the contacts might have saved her, since I think her true eye color is brown.

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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Bad_Witch wrote:

I always figured the eye color changes were for work. If I remember correctly, all the press releases early in the series have Misa's eyes as blue, as well as any work scenes. Most of the time her eyes are brown. The only instance I can think of where Misa's eyes were blue and she wasn't at work was when she first met Light.

I think this was one of her more brilliant moves, probably brought on by Rem, if they are indeed contacts. Misa knew the rules of the Death Note, about the face and name matching. Perhaps if things hadn't gone as planned with her meeting with Light and he tried to kill her, it might not have worked. Wearing the contacts might have saved her, since I think her true eye color is brown.

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REALLY good point!  I hadn't thought of that.  Maybe it would have saved her, a lot depends on how much of the face has to be known by the person writing the name in order for it to take effect (I want to say half the face at least?).  Still... I like that idea.

[Bad_Witch]

I does have to be at least half the face for the Death Note to take effect, but even seeing her whole face with blue eyes instead of brown might have saved her.

I always wondered about identical twins as well. Sure they have different names, at least I would hope so, but their faces are extremely similiar. What if you only knew one twins name, but you really wanted to kill the other one. This is assuming you don't know of the twin. Would the Death Note work?

[Meilag32]

I don't think colored contacts would stop the Death Note from working.  I doubt eye color is a factor since anyone who has the Shinigami Eyes sees in a red tint, so they wouldn't be able to see the original color no matter what. 

As to your twin question, I think it would work.  As long as you get their name right. 

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

I found this and thought it was interesting as I think it most likely directly relates to questions about criminals' guilt and Kira's behaviour towards the guilty:  http://gaijinass.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/7-brutal-realities-rega
rding-arrest-in-japan/.

At the very least, I expect this would color Mr Ohba's thinking on the issue.  I'm still reading the article, but the first half that I've read was interesting. 

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

It's Wikipedia, so with my normal grain of salt, I share their entry on the NPA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Agency_(Japan)

[Meilag32]

The author didn't list any source material as evidence.  They could be telling the truth or lying through their teeth. 

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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Meilag32 wrote:

The author didn't list any source material as evidence.  They could be telling the truth or lying through their teeth. 

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He lives there.  He's I believe Japanese-American and has a child in Japan by a former girlfriend. He's in country to help take care of his child.  I was cruising the entries on the site and found this one and one about being in visa jail - if you are in country after your visa expires, you go to detention and he wrote about what that's like (he's out now).  That site has a link to a wikipedia article about law enforcement in Japan, and there were some differences (the wiki article went into more detail, something that this person may not have experienced), but for the most part, his story jibed with the wiki article.  It was that wiki article that had a link to the page about the NPA.

I think the author said he had been arrested there at least once.

[Meilag32]

Again, it's simply going by what that guy said.  You have no way to know if it's all a lie.  His site links to a page which could have edited by him. 

It would be different if he listed books, articles, or interviews that supported what he said, besides an easily editable wikipedia page.  I'm not saying he's lying, it justs that a person should look for sources to make sure they're getting correct info. 

And this guy's a wimp if he thinks thats harsh treatment.  Even in America there's worse that goes on. 

[Bad_Witch]

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Meilag32 wrote:

I don't think colored contacts would stop the Death Note from working.  I doubt eye color is a factor since anyone who has the Shinigami Eyes sees in a red tint, so they wouldn't be able to see the original color no matter what. 

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Why? We know that mispellings can stop the notebook from working, so why not a change of eye color? Hell, mispelling go even further, in that if a name is mispelled four times that person if freed from ever being killed by a Death Note. Plus, if a person intentionally mispells the name, he/she dies in that person's place. It's the only instance where the notebook kills a person who's name is NOT written.

One needs to have a picture of the person in their minds plus their name to kill. The point is Light would have a vision of Misa with blue eyes to tie to the name, instead of brown. Plus, considering that Misa keeps her brown eyes for most of the series, Misa herself probably considers the blue eyes as her work eyes and not her real eyes. That ties into what name is used to kill a person. A person with the eyes doesn't have a problem here, since they can see the name that is needed to kill, but those without the eyes don't. The rules state about the name being on the family regrestry as the one needed to kill the person. It should be noted that you will be hard pressed to find a woman in the show, who was married and killed. All the women that were killed by a notebook, Linder, Takada, Naomi, were single.

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Meilag32 wrote:

As to your twin question, I think it would work.  As long as you get their name right. 

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I'm not questioning whether twins can be killed, but what would happen if Light met one twin, and that twin gave her sister's name. With that face and name...would the wrong twin die?

[Meilag32]

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Bad_Witch wrote:

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Meilag32 wrote:

I don't think colored contacts would stop the Death Note from working.  I doubt eye color is a factor since anyone who has the Shinigami Eyes sees in a red tint, so they wouldn't be able to see the original color no matter what. 

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Why? We know that mispellings can stop the notebook from working, so why not a change of eye color? Hell, mispelling go even further, in that if a name is mispelled four times that person if freed from ever being killed by a Death Note. Plus, if a person intentionally mispells the name, he/she dies in that person's place. It's the only instance where the notebook kills a person who's name is NOT written.

One needs to have a picture of the person in their minds plus their name to kill. The point is Light would have a vision of Misa with blue eyes to tie to the name, instead of brown. Plus, considering that Misa keeps her brown eyes for most of the series, Misa herself probably considers the blue eyes as her work eyes and not her real eyes. That ties into what name is used to kill a person. A person with the eyes doesn't have a problem here, since they can see the name that is needed to kill, but those without the eyes don't. The rules state about the name being on the family regrestry as the one needed to kill the person. It should be noted that you will be hard pressed to find a woman in the show, who was married and killed. All the women that were killed by a notebook, Linder, Takada, Naomi, were single.

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Meilag32 wrote:

As to your twin question, I think it would work.  As long as you get their name right. 

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I'm not questioning whether twins can be killed, but what would happen if Light met one twin, and that twin gave her sister's name. With that face and name...would the wrong twin die?

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I said it would work.  As long as you didn't misspell the name, the twin you wanted to die, would.  After all, if you can take a picture of a person and use that, using the face of their identical twin should also work. 

[Bad_Witch]

I don't think you're understanding my twin question. Let me explain it another way.

Sandra meets Kira and pisses him off somehow. Kira decides he wants to kill her, and he doesn't have the eyes. He asks for her name, and Sandra...thinking Kira's creepy or whatever, gives her name as Samantha...her twin sister. Later, Kira writes Samantha down in the notebook, picturing Sandra's face the whole time. Sandra and Samantha are identicial twins, therefore their face as extremely similar. Who dies? The twin he wanted to kill, or the twin whose name was written, or neither? Would the Death Note consider the minute differences between the twin's faces and not work because the wrong name was written, treating as a mispelling, or would it kill the wrong twin?

[Meilag32]

I think the one who's name was written...if they're true identical twins, that is. 

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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Meilag32 wrote:

I think the one who's name was written...if they're true identical twins, that is. 

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That would be my guess.

I was friends with a pair of identical twins in high school.  They were identical physically, but their personalities were the complete opposite of each other.  This was to the point where you could tell them apart from a mile away.  This discussion got me wondering if someone wanted to kill the sullen one by writing her name in his book, and if she gave him her fizzy sister's name would either of them die, and if so which one?

I would almost have to think that attitude, habitual facial expression and personality wouldn't be a factor.

[Meilag32]

Wait, who would want to kill the sullen one?  If anything, it's the "fizzy" one that should go. 

But I agree...with you agreeing with me.  If a picture of someone would work to kill them, a memory of an exact duplicate should work as well.  After all, isn't that all a picture is, anyways?

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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Meilag32 wrote:

Wait, who would want to kill the sullen one?  If anything, it's the "fizzy" one that should go. 

But I agree...with you agreeing with me.  If a picture of someone would work to kill them, a memory of an exact duplicate should work as well.  After all, isn't that all a picture is, anyways?

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Actually, the sullen one WAS one of my best friends.  Plus she was funny as hell, especially when she tried to swap places with her fizzy sister (seriously, she attended her twin's home ec class for her after much begging once. Teacher wasn't fooled).

Good point!  I hadn't thought about the exact duplicate = photograph sort of thing.

Yeah, I think the correct twin would kick the bucket in this case.

[Meilag32]

Was?  I guess I can assume the worst did happen to the sullen one?  Your God is cruel. 

Exactly.  It's basically the same thing and the show had many examples of people being killed with only a picture or being shown on TV or their picture being shown on TV.  Or even a picture on the Internet.  I doubt all those sources gave images of perfect clarity.  So a twin's image should work.

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

HA! No cruelty involved except for that of losing touch with old friends. We graduated from high school and went our separate ways.  Interestingly, my mother and I started hanging with the fizzy sister because she was on our team in the bowling league we belonged to.  I really liked her too.  

Those two I really REALLY would like to catch up with.  I thought they were both terrific.