Death Note

[lupinfan83]

Let's say Ryuk never got bored and never dropped his death note.  Gelus still sacrifices himself for Misa and Rem gives Misa his death note.  What do you think she would have done with it?  I think she would kill the person who urdered her parents, but wouldn't try to become a "god" like Light.

[BUU8800]

She'd be caught pretty **beast** quickly by the authorities if she tried anything. Rem would save her once and die again, but the second time she'd be caught anyway.

[lupinfan83]

But after avenging her family, who else would she want to kill?

[BUU8800]

She probably wouldn't, which is why I said IF, but then again that level of power has a tendency to corrupt so....

[Meilag32]

I agree with BUU on this one on both accounts. 

Her only real goal would be to avenge her parent's murder and the simplest way that she could come up with it would be to kill the murderer.  Afterwords, she would be left without any real path to pursue.  But I doubt that anyone could let the Death Note go idle for the rest of their lives.  She'd probably end up using it again, either to help avenge others who suffered like her or in some spontaneous act.

[-Gaynor79-]

She would use it once. Possibly twice. Perhaps once to test it, and another to take out the person who murdered her parents. L would not be in the picture because a couple random deaths by heart attack would not raise suspicion and wouldn't require his talents. Thus, Misa would probably not be sought by the police and would not face the same problems that Light had.

[SpikesMrsSpooky]

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-Gaynor79- wrote:

She would use it once. Possibly twice. Perhaps once to test it, and another to take out the person who murdered her parents. L would not be in the picture because a couple random deaths by heart attack would not raise suspicion and wouldn't require his talents. Thus, Misa would probably not be sought by the police and would not face the same problems that Light had.

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Yeah, I'm incilned to agree.  She may have used it occasionally, but she didn't seem to have any real agenda (minus getting Kira's attention).  L wouldn't have gotten involved because she wouldn't have gone out of her way to let everyone know that someone was passing judgement on the wicked.

She MIGHT have gone after others like the burgler who murdered her family but maybe not to the extent that Light did.  I don't think she had that drive.

[Swymco]

Using the Notebook for "justice" against the murderer who killed her parents is ultimately a selfish act. She would of used the Notebook more than once and more frequently after using it the first time if she did kill the murderer. It is obvious that she would use the Notebook for her personal gain like she did to meet Kira.

She could of easily began to shape the world in a "just" way like
 Light did, but it could of taken her years to reach that point.

[robertje]

Personally I think she would just end up killing the person that killed her parents then anyone who made her mad, probably drawing suspicion onto herself and she ends up either disappearing and laying low the rest of her life or going to jail. thats my theory....

[Bad_Witch]

She would certainly kill her parents murderer, and might take continue to kill others like him out of sympathy for others like her who suffer. Unlike Light, Misa would have Rem to counsel her on the rules of the notebook, plus she would most likely still have traded for the eyes.

I don't think she would become Kira though....I see her more as an anti-cupid so to speak. Before she met Light she romantized the way Gelus died for her and seemed to have a very "girlish" view about love. That only got worse once she actually met Light and fell in love. Without Kira to distract her, Misa may have gone on her own mission...starting with all those cheating hos that steal men away from faithful girls. Where she would go from there is anyone's guess, but I don't see her just letting the notebook sit around.

[Meilag32]

That's kind of what I thought.  Not specifically (except for the parents), but I think she would use it without any real planning or goal in mind.  A little like you. 

[Bad_Witch]

What do you mean "like me" I have a plan, just because you don't understand/agree with my plan doesn't mean I don't have one.

[Meilag32]

I know your plan!!  You'd use the Note simply for sake of using it.  To figure out every little nuance of it.  Not a bad thing to do.  But only if it's to use that knowledge for other steps and plans.  You'd just kill indiscriminately with no end goal in sight.  At least that's what you once said. 

[Bad_Witch]

That's true, but after awhile I'll probably get bored. New plans would be made...most likely resulting in me dancing in the flames as the world destroys itself. Such fun would be had!

[Meilag32]

So your end goal is to kill everyone?  And people call me evil...

I'm not saying killing a billion or 3  would be a bad thing.  But what's the point of killing everyone but yourself?  Wouldn't that end result be boring? 

[Bad_Witch]

Not kill everyone. That would be boring and way to much work involved in searching names and faces. Just some select few and watch the fall out. I'm sure some would survive.

[Meilag32]

Unless you plan to watch those select few launch nuclear missiles before they die, I think you may be overestimating the "fallout".  Doing something like completely killing everyone in the U.S. govt. still wouldn't cause anarchy.  It might actually solve problems. 

[Bad_Witch]

Now, you know I can't do that. The rules wouldn't let me. Launching nuclear missiles will cause those I don't write to die...**beast** red tape.

However, I'm sure I could figure out a way to cause anarchy with some supisious, well placed deaths.

[Meilag32]

Oh, I think it could be done.  Launching nukes isn't up to just one person and it would simply depend on how far you can stretch the rules (how much cause and effect are allowed).  Think about it.  Killing the mother of a newborn infant technically could lead to the child's death under the right circumstances.  It's just a matter of figuring out those boundaries.  Which you'd of course test to it's limit, and I'd of course let you since such knowledge is valuable. 

As for your anarchy, I don't think you could.  Whose deaths would cause anarchy?  In today's age, most of the world is figuring out that governments have, for many decades now, have been nothing more than vehicles for the rich and powerful to gain more money and power.  Oh, and to keep the lower classes in line.  If you wanted to cause anarchy, you would need to eliminate the more local figures.  Such as all police officers.  That would cause anarchy.  But I don't see you as willing to kill every single police officer. 

You could try tracking the money and kill that way, but money is so fluid that even if you took out all those who keep the system of wealth running, It would annoyingly be able to reassert itself.  This I have studied.  You would basically need to eliminate all of organized society to put the masses in anarchy, which obviously is more than a few deaths. 

[Bad_Witch]

I'll be testing that of course, but I don't think it's quite as simple as that. In the mother senerio, there is a chance the baby would die but not as a direct cause of the mother's death. The baby would actually die from someother reason related to not being cared for...but the nukes would directly cause the deaths of others. There may be a loophole, but I won't know till tested. As the rules are stated now, launching nukes would be a no-no.

How do you imagine these people will die? Heart attacks? Suicide? Also, why do they have to be "important" people? I think you might be forgetting that diseases can be used as well. A few well placed deaths here and there due to some contagious disease would easily cause panic and could easily turn into anarchy.

Wait...let me get this straight. I...who is willing to kill countless people to test the limits of the Death Note, using people from all walks of life and of all ages and visiting upon all deaths imaginable, am unwilling to eliminate all police officers. I admit, it would be boring becuase of how easy it would be, but I don't think I would actually be unwilling.

I didn't mean a few as in a few. I meant a few as in relation to the entire world's population.

[Meilag32]

I don't think it would be.  I think it would be possible.  Maybe.  That's where the rules really get interesting.  After all, you kill the mother and the baby from lack of food or something.  That's still directly related to the mother dying.  And we think she could still be killed. 

No, it wouldn't.  1)  This isn't The Stand.  It wouldn't be that bad.  And if I wouldn't be allowed to use the DN to launch a nuke, then you couldn't use it to spread a deadly contagious virus.  Even if the DN would use the virus you want, only those you wrote in the Note will die.  Everyone won't get it, and panic will quickly subside once no one else contracts it. 

But you're not malevolent.  You're not good.  But you're not bad.  You're neutral-ish.  Maybe a little bad.  There's a difference between anarchy that crumbles governments, and eliminating the one thing keeping commoners safe.  And if you are, then why would you do it half-assed?  Might as well go all the way and just kill everyone.

Okay, let's go conservative and say you'd kill one billion people.  That's a loooooooooong time writing in that notebook.  You better hope you can use the DN to launch nukes because otherwise it's going to take you years and years to kill that many.  Probably a decade or more.  And since it would take so long, unless you concentrate the deaths to one country or one continent, you wouldn't get the media attention you'er seeking.  And even then, concentrating the deaths makes everyone feel safer since their country or whatever isn't being affected. 

[Bad_Witch]

It only seems to be directly related since it's the most logical deduction. The mother and baby are indirectly related. We can trace why the baby died by the mother dying, but the mother's death didn't cause the baby to die. Someone else could have stepped in to take care of the baby for example. There's only a direct line if the baby actually dies and even them its only direct because none of the other lines were followed. With the nukes, where they land people die. They most certainly would not have died if the nuke hadn't happened. That's direct. I concede, it might be possible...but I highly doubt it.

*facepalms* I know I can't spread a virus. I don't need too. Yes, I  know it will take time and planning, but what do I care? I have nothing better to do, and I will greatly enjoy the fallout. A basic plan would go something like this...

1. Choose a disease I like from my previous experiments

2. Write a few names located in one area along a coast with a high population and tourists. airports, ships, etc.

3. Write more names, staying in that area but shortening the time.

4. First death outside of area occurs...by still close. ie. no airplanes, ships etc. needed. probably cars.

5. More deaths inside and outside of area, first death outside of "country"

6. I'm not going into great detail here. This keeps going on...more and more deaths...more and more places...panic sets in. I have no intentions of letting up. I know I will need to continue to write names for decades, but I have nothing better to do so here we go.

Killing everyone on my own would be boring. Much more fun to watch the masses kill each other out of fear. Fear is very easy to manipulate.

[Meilag32]

Say the mother and child are alone someplace and no one knows they are there.  The mother dies.  The child will now die because no one is coming.  Would the Death Note still work on the mother then?  And if it does, then my nuke would work.  And your argument of someone possibly coming for the baby and stopping it from dying can work for me.  Someone could possibly override the launch sequence.  Or shoot the nuke out the sky once it's launched.  Having the guy initiate a launch doesn't automatically mean that people die.  Just like how you say killing a mother won't necessarily doom the infant.  Now here's what I want to know: could I stop those things from hurting my nuke after the Death Note was used to launch it.  I would have to use non-Death Note means, obviously, but I wonder how much is now being controlled by the Note. 

It still wouldn't be anarchy.  It would simply be annoying since there would be a lot more bio-hazard safety precautions.  You'd have to kill key figures in governments.  And more than a few.  The governments of the world would have to cease to function, then you'd get more of what you wanted. 

Even if you chose anthrax or smallpox or bird flu or whatever, without destroying the foundations of society, history would simply say that humanity worked through this epidemic for a few decades.  Unless you plan to kill more than 6 billion people, but that would be impossible for you to do. 

Also, I wonder what the medical community would do.  They would of course be examining these people who contracted your virus, and would discover that for some inexplicable reason the disease doesn't spread out from the people who are infected.  At this point, they might think this is a biological terrorist attack since biological weapons aren't designed to kill everyone.  Just enough to make someone surrender. 

[Bad_Witch]

I have no idea and I'm tired. A lot of the notebook needs to be tested. The testing Light did was limited and wasn't gone into any great depth. Ohba didn't have any answers to that, or just decided not to give them. It's the same reason why no pregnate women died because of the notebook, and that might prove to be a problem. Imagine some woman giving you a hard time, you write her name, and she doesn't die. The nukes seem much more direct and might be affect, while the mother and baby wouldn't be.

I said it was a basic plan. I can't really come up with how I would go about it till I know how the notebook handles diseases. We know disease can be used, but so many are containgous and I have not idea how that would work. The anime doesn't go into diseases at all, and the manga only used it once...and it was a disease that wasn't containgous.

That would still work. Not knowing how people got sick is worse than knowing. People would have no idea of how to protect themselves, and governments woudl be powerless from stopping trade and travel. If you know it's not coming from there, there is no reason to stop it. Who knows what is possible or impossible. It would mostly depend on what I find out.

[Meilag32]

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Bad_Witch wrote:

I have no idea and I'm tired. A lot of the notebook needs to be tested. The testing Light did was limited and wasn't gone into any great depth. Ohba didn't have any answers to that, or just decided not to give them. It's the same reason why no pregnate women died because of the notebook, and that might prove to be a problem. Imagine some woman giving you a hard time, you write her name, and she doesn't die. The nukes seem much more direct and might be affect, while the mother and baby wouldn't be.

I said it was a basic plan. I can't really come up with how I would go about it till I know how the notebook handles diseases. We know disease can be used, but so many are containgous and I have not idea how that would work. The anime doesn't go into diseases at all, and the manga only used it once...and it was a disease that wasn't containgous.

That would still work. Not knowing how people got sick is worse than knowing. People would have no idea of how to protect themselves, and governments woudl be powerless from stopping trade and travel. If you know it's not coming from there, there is no reason to stop it. Who knows what is possible or impossible. It would mostly depend on what I find out.

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Hard to imagine. 

I dunno.  I just can't help but see no worse than what SARS did in China.  Everyone was all freaked out and wearing surgical masks.  Then forgot about it.  The problem is not that people are getting it.  It's that it's not spreading.  I could see people staying in their homes and not associating with people or places they aren't already familiar with in order to try and not get it.  But once word got out that it wasn't contagious, the fear of an epidemic would be lessened.