Death Note

[Bad_Witch]

My actions may not be "good" but they're not exactly "evil" either. It's more of a scientific approach. My "victims" would have to fit a particular set of guidelines for each experiment and each would be choosen for those varying traits. Their gender, race, social position, etc woud never figure into those experiments, except for rare instances. It would be weird for a man to die of ovian cancer for example, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't try it.

What's so interesting about it? You would kill me to further your plans, both of us know it. I don't suffer from Misa syndrome, and therefore see no reason to align myself with such a person. Your side would easily allow me more freedom to conduct my experiments and really wouldn't care to much about what or how I did it. The only real conflict, besides the threat of death, would be if one of my experiments came in conflict with your plans, i.e. I already wrote person X's name down, but you need to kill him now. Plus, while I know my actions really aren't "evil/good" the side of good will lable them as evil, so there you go. I'm more on your side of the fence simply because I know me, and if forced to choose...well I don't see me willingly giving everything up for some idea of good. Plus, lets face it...it's just plain more fun being bad.

And that's the dilemma. In this situation, given I would have the eyes, the chances of my being able to kill you are at 100% if we ever met. You know this. And you're right, it wouldn't matter if I wanted to kill you or not. After all, I could always change my mind somewhere down the road and decide to off you. You will do everything in your power to make sure someone with a notebook, especially someone with the eyes, can never find you. As interesting as I may make the game, so to speak, I don't see you actually sending me a spare notebook. I'm sure you would want too, just to see what would happen and how you might be able to use it to your advantage, but the risk is rather great. You would have to make sure it could never be traced back to you in any way, and doubly cautious if I would "join" the good guys in finding you. I may not tell them how I got the notebook but I would be looking for you. After all, if you did send me one, that would mean you would know who I am, quite possibly what I look like, and are therefore able to kill me at any time. Of course, I would know this and therefore would be at your disposable, under threat of death, to do whatever you wanted me too.

Congratulations. You just won. Not only did you get me on your side, but you placed me next to whoever was looking for you, since I would have done that anyway, and eliminated everyone in your way. The world is yours.

Of course...you do need that spare notebook first

[Meilag32]

As I said, your motives, reasons, goals, ideals, etc. are neutral.  They neither benefit nor harm anything.  Purely scientific.  But the way you conduct your experiments would be called evil by many people.  Because you have to kill people to perform your experiments.  And many people would call you as "evil" because of that.  Unfortunately these people tend to judge you based solely on your actions.  I, on the other hand, take the reasons behind it into account.  I think the reasons behind an action are always important.  But then again, I'm one who believes that the ends justify the means. 

Because you stated that your main reason for not joining me was because of a danger of being killed.  I always got the impression that you never really cared for such higher-gazed goals like mine. 

If I gave you a Death Note, I would have accepted that at some point you would screw up a plan or two.  Hopefully it wasn't the essential one where my life depended on it. 

Yes, that's why your on my side of the fence but barely so.  Or at least not as far as I am.  That's what I see, anyway.

The risk is great, yes.  You could do nothing but your experiments, oppose me, or join with whoever was already doing that.  But you don't get anything good without risking something equally important.  If me and the opposing side had stalemated each other, your entrance into the game could provide an opportunity to break it.  Although I do see a way that your entry into the game could result in my losing. 

If I ever acquired one, getting another would be easy enough, I think.  Getting one off of a Shinigami wouldn't be impossible. 

[Bad_Witch]

I suppose one coudl say I fall into the camp of the ends justifying the means. After all, my methods woudl be viewed as evil but its only the results I'm after.

You're impression is correct. I could care less about your goals, but I do realize that your side woudl allow me much more freedom, so to speak, for my experiments. I wouldn't actually have to hide what I'm doing, knowing if you ever found out you'd try to lock me up. My way does allow for a lesser chance of drawing attention though, if I was the only one with a notebook, since my experiements and the nature of them are much more random, unpredictable, and harder to label as murder. After all, if I wrote that someone died of *insert type of cancer here* and ten years later they died of it, who would think it was murder? Only having another notebook user would anyone even think of the possibility, and even then it woudl be slight. Plus, like I said, I do think I would have more fun on your side.

Of course I would. You would most likely never share every detail, or even every plan, with me. I could easily mess something up you hd planned, but then that's true even if I don't work with you. Once a name is written, if it's written again only the first takes affect. You could try to kill someone I already dictated to die without realizing it.

Actually, its only two choices. Join you or oppose you. If you sent me a notebook I would either decide to throw caution to the widn and join you, or use the other side to try to find to level the playing field. You would already know my name, so I wouldn't just use the notebook.

I don't think its as easy as you think. A lot depends on the type of Shinigami attached to your notebook.

[Meilag32]

The same here.  The end result of my actions will be seen someday. 

You wouldn't have to hide because I would have found out your identity already, especially if I was the one providing the DN.  I would continue to let you use it either because it suited my plans, didn't hinder it at all, or was amused by it.

I meant as you not working for me.  I'd give you a Death Note and let you operate independently, for your own ends.  Never meeting nor communicating with me in any way.  Your entry into the game in that fashion would suit my needs far better than us having a true alliance.

If you didn't use the Note, then I'd have no choice but to take it back.  By whatever means necessary.

All the Shinigami seem susceptible to bribes and higher intelligence.  I think the Shinigami had no need for advanced planning for quite a long time.

[Bad_Witch]

I didn't mean hiding from you, but hiding from those trying to stop me/you. You would know what my actions are, but those on the other side wouldn't...unless you told them. That's what I meant. Hiding from you would be pointless, especially if I got my notebook from you.

I love how you put "for you" and not "with you" If we never communicated, then how exactly would you know I was using it. The way I would use mine would make it rather difficult for you to know I was using it without communications of some sort. No real way of pinpointing who I would choose and how I would kill them. I'm not saying it's impossible but the surest way to find out if I'm using it or not would be to try to take it back and seeing if I kill those you send for it. Of course, that could lead to some clues for the opposing side to find.

We see very little of the Shinigami, except for Ryuk, Sidoh, and Rem, to really base any sort of idea on how easy they may be to "control." Sidoh was pretty easy, Ryuk more difficult, and Rem wasn't bribed at all.

[Meilag32]

Would I really go through all the trouble of finding you and sending you a Death Note, just to sick the authorities on you? 

That does betray a hint of arrogance, doesn't it?  Because I know you.  You would never pass up an opportunity to use it, even if it was just once.  Plus, what if I set up some juicy morsels for you to test it out on?  Sending people to get you is just one way.

I think Rem was one the few Shinigami who actually used intelligence.  No doubt that's why she was ranked so high up the chain. 

[Bad_Witch]

Yes, if it would somehow help your plans you would sick the authorities on me without a second thought. But I did mean more along the lines of the authorities catching on.

Yes it does. Sending people my way would let you know that I was using the notebook but it woudl be a risky move. Afterall, I would most likely need to kill them quickly which could give the authorities clues. The more people you send the greater the risk.

Rem was only ranked 3rd though, so there would be 2 other Shinigami of intelligence at least, and maybe one more. I think Ryuk was ranked 5th so who knows how the 4th ranked one was. Plus, Ryuk for the most part was intelligent. He may not have helped Light, but he really didn't do anything to hinder him either. It is harder to judge Ryuk's intelligence, but nothing he did suggests he can't use his brain.

[Meilag32]

Well, yeah, but I wouldn't unless there was a reason. 

Oh well.  I've always been prideful.  If all I needed was one, then it wouldn't cause too much of a stir.

That's high enough.  Ryuk wasn't dumb, of course.  But he didn't know everything.

[Bad_Witch]

You're such a gentleman. I still know the possiblities there, and I would prefer not to die just to further your plans. I would need to find you...just to level the playing field.

Pride cometh before the fall.  So, when I figure out the one you sent, just kill him the boring way of a heart attack so you don't need to send more.

Even the most intelligent humans don't know everthing.

[MegaNaraku]

Tis true.

[Meilag32]

You should think of it as an honor.  Few people get to die for such a worthy cause.  If you actually managed to find me, that wouldn't level the playing field, that turn it upside-down.  The number of deaths would drastically increase as well as a few large explosions.  I'd have to assure my survival, after all.

I don't believe in such fairy tale nonsense.  I doubt my pride will be my fall.  Exactly.  But perhaps you shouldn't use a heart attack.  That might lead people closer to you.  Best to let it seem like an accident like the guy getting hit by a car or something.

True.  Quite a weakness, for sure.

[Tamales]

haha so would i

[Tamales]

i would put our names in it if i cant have you noone can!!!!

[Bad_Witch]

*blows dust off thread*

Just thought I'd leave a note letting you know I still don't plan on letting you kill me to further your plans

[Meilag32]

Then you'd best stay out of my way.  I wouldn't hesitate to do it if I needed to. 

And I wouldn't let you try and rope me into your little experiments.  Maybe I'd just send Lupin after you. 

[Bad_Witch]

But I like playing with fire. Don't think I could help myself.

Do you honestly think Lupin would do me in? Or is this just a way to find me?

[Meilag32]

Not being able to help yourself seems to be the problem, doesn't it?

Of course he wouldn't.  He would try and put you away, though.