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I never call being compared to Light an insult.  I consider it a compliment.   But yes, we were getting off-topic.   There are plenty of other threads here dedicated to debating Light and the others. 

 

Another reason I hate Near.  He was so confident, smug, and sure of himself that I wanted to wring his f**kin' neck!  L was the same way, but at least he had the skills to back it up. 

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 I think Light was smart cool and everything but he killed of alot of his crew members like talkida and he made misa forget about everything which she could have helped kill of near so LIGHT IS AN IDIOT for killing them all of and i dont give a c.r.a.p if you dont want to talk to me Meilag32 and the only thing spewing out of my mouth is the truth about light and near.

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It's because he's the replacement for L.  His character is a cheap immitation of L.  He has the same mannerisms and the fact that he's the one replacing him makes him look like a moron, he's just a kid.

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It is not his fault that he is a kid. What do you think he is going to be way different then L NOPE. His mentor was L and in the show people said that Near was the true sucsessor remember he also has his own weird thing's that L never would have done so there is only one thing that makes the different :smileymad:

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NuRm667 wrote:

Da_Sombras wrote:

NuRm667 wrote:

The one criticism I have of L that I liked Near for is that I always felt it was a mistake by L to have Light as part of the investigation when Light was his biggest suspect. (granted, that was of a 5% margin).

 

Near never made that mistake. 


 

L did that to keep Light close.  L knew Light was Kira.  Regardless of actual probability, he knew it.  But he didn't have the hard evidence he wanted, so he kept him close.  That's basically why he revealed himself to Light t begin with, to keep him close while at the same time preventing him from making any hasty action that would prove he was Kira.  Near didn't do that because there was no reason to, and the way things were set up, it was for the best that Light continued working for the Task Force.

 

I don't hate Near.  I like L far more, and I really only like Near because he was some substitute for L, as well has led to the downfall of Kira.  However, I understand why a lot of people would dislike him.  He's a cheap copy of L, he was a small child that just sat around playing with toys and yet just didn't give off the impression that he could really be as good as L. 


I understand why he did it, but I still think it was a dumb move. You knew what Light was up to, but Light also knew what you were up to. That left Light the opportunity to discretely mess with the investigation. Do you really think Light's going to help you catch Kira when he IS Kira? I don't know, I would have never done things that way. That's why I felt Near took the appropriate route. He only had people on his team that he could trust. That's why I can't give Near the total credit. Giovanni I think deserves just as much for the stuff he pulled for the SPK if you really think about it.

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Meh, it did create a level playing field in that sense, but by being so close to your subject means that if he makes a major slip, even for a nanosecond, you're right there to catch them. Even some of the cleverer criminals can make stupid mistakes. Also, Light could hardly have manipulated the investigation detrimentally without L noticing, and he could then point out that Light was doing so, since it was clear from the beginning that he thought that Light was Kira. So at worst it's neutral, with a couple possible net advantages. Of course, by being so close to Light, he ended up becoming emotionally connected to him, which slightly damaged the investigation.

 

It's worth noting that there was at least one (probably two) moles in the SPK, and that Mello managed to kill off most of them. So, it wasn't that solid a group.

 

As for why I "hate" Near, it just didn't feel like he deserved to be the one who broke Light. He was basically L- he had a similar way of talking, he also had a gimmick, like L had his chocolates, and he approached the Kira issue in the same methodical manner. It felt to me like the writer realized that he wanted to keep the series going, but would have to kill L to do so, and then didn't really have a good replacement handy. Mello was a fun character though, so I'm uncertain why he was given such a secondary role.

 

The thing about L that I loved so much is that not only was he a character with depth, but he was just such an incredible detective. He figures out that Light is Kira extremely quickly, corners him several times, Light having to use magical powers to force his way out of suspicion. Yet, L keeps suspecting him. Then, Light stops being Kira. To me, this was basically giving up, if only for the time being. L had caught him and Misa, he knew they were Kira, so he gave up being Kira until it would be convenient for him to be Kira again. Yet, even when Light was completely innocent, L still knew what was going on. In fact, at one point, HE COMPLETELY DEDUCED EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

 

Then, when Light regains his memory, he not only has that period of innocence, he also alters the notebook so that it looks like there's no way for him to be Kira. To describe how fair this is, imagine your playing a game of chess, and you basically checkmate your opponent. Your opponent admits defeat, and wants a rematch. However, he doesn't have to reset his pieces; and he gets the ones he lost back. So L is basically trapped by Light's innovative tricks, yet he keeps pushing. L, in fact, manages to figure out which rule is fake, and things get so bad that Light has to trick Rem into killing L in order to assure his safety.

 

Near never had this risk- up until the very end, when he did pull a gambit worthy of his idol, he just sat on the sidelines, goading Light. He gathered information, certainly, but much of it was information that was provided by L's death, or information that L would have known (the people on the task force, who would take his place). In addition, when you take note that they couldn't have pulled off that final gambit without some assistance from Mello, Near really didn't do that much.

 

It just feels like Near was an L clone without as much depth or personality to him, and I would have perferred that a better character- L, or even Mello, have gotten the victory at the end.

 

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What a big response.............
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i don't hate near mnhfg,jhkf

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I only hate Near because he is a lame copycat of L.
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Really he wasent a copy cat ( He did one thing L couldent do Kill Light ) All this hate and no one can come up with a good reason. The only thing everyone could say was that he killed Light something better plz people not the same reson over and over agin  

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Meilag32 wrote:
How many super detectives do you think they had?  If they were down to using Mello and Matt, I think they were reaching the bottom of the barrel.

 

Don't you go hating on Mello and Matt like that! Mello certainly did far more than Near could hope to do, and on his own too.

 

As for how many detectives *shrugs* who knows. L would have been the first generation (or even preceded that) while Mello, Matt, and Near were in the 4th. Whose to say someone from one of the inbetween generations wouldn't take the case next, or considering the time difference from L's death to when the boys took the case someone didn't age up to take it. It is possible.

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I think Near is the smartest he didint need help from Mello when he threw the money out the buliding. The only thing Mellow was good for was helping Near towards the end. Also he ordered around the S.P.K because he was like the boss around there dur. People also say put down the toys Near well guess what  teenagers play with toys? But at the start when we first seen Near he was still yung so of course he is still going to play with toys.

 

 


It doesn't take a genius to throw money out a window to a crowd of angry people. Hell, I could do that, and I don't even have to think about what they would do. I've seen reality T.V....people do stupid shit for cash all the time.

 

 

I don't put Near down for playing with toys. Toys are fun!

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well i know it dosent take a genius to throw money out but that is were Light got angery how could you not see that happen that is what i ment to say.

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The only reason near won was because of Mello.
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How could Light not forsee Near throwing money out the window? Is that you what mean?

 

I don't know...Light wouldn't really have had any reason to think Near could do that. At that point in time, the American government had already bent to Kira's will, so Light believed that Near had no real back up if caught in a pinch. You might be able to argue that since Near knew of L's death he might have inherited L's fortune...but there's no real reason to think that. Plus, it really wasn't the money being throw that ruined Light's plan, it was the fact that Near and the SPK were able to hide amongst the police. After all Light knew something Near didn't...Light knew what Near looked like, or at least had a pretty good idea.

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True. also i love the watch Light used to kill some of his targets with. and nobody suspected or saw it until the final episode. I want that watch.........
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The reson why i hate Light is because he started to kill off lazy people for only one reson to get rid of them they wernt hurting no one so why do it. Second he was getting to cocky by trying to step ahead of the gang wich utterly failed of corse.

 

 

 

The reson why i hate Near is because he wore the mask of L which that pissed me off and it prob pissed off a bnch of other people to.  

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Light never actually started killing lazy people. It was part of his plan, but he never got to it. It was Mikami who started that, with Takada preaching it, but I'm not sure if Mikami actually did it. I think, if I remember correctly, he wanted people to know that so they would do something with their lives, but Light stopped him before he started. So...no lazy people were killed.

 

As for them not hurting anyone...the theory is that since they are not doing their jobs, leading productive lives, etc., those would have to in their place. They may not be doing anything to hurt anyone, but their inactions do still have a negative impact on society. If their not helping, then they are part of the problem. (Not necessarily my ideals, but how Light and Mikami were seeing it)

 

You were upset over the mask? I actually thought that was a nice touch...even if Near does fall below L's standard.

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Well the mask didint make me upset it just got me pissed off. Well even with the thought of killing off lazy people is Fu*cked up so what if they arent doing anything thing for his use. Rem could have killed him off and it would have prob saved Misa anyway and killed Rem even though it would have been a short anima but i think Rem had more of a purose then Near

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I found I liked Near better the second time I watched the series. 

 

Maybe because the first time around, I just wanted him to be L #2 or something, and he's not.

 

 

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I think the purpose for killing lazy people was simply they weren't doing anything. They didn't contribute to society in any meaningful way, so their lives were just taken resources from others who were. They are viewed more as a drain on society than anything else.

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Bad_Witch wrote:

I think the purpose for killing lazy people was simply they weren't doing anything. They didn't contribute to society in any meaningful way, so their lives were just taken resources from others who were. They are viewed more as a drain on society than anything else.


Couldn't have put it better myself.  It's similar to getting cancerous cells removed from your body or cutting off a gangrenous finger to save the hand.

 

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I didn't say I agreed with the mentality, just that that's where Light was coming from...and I guess Mikami too.

 

Anyway, it was never defined how someone would be viewed as lazy or productive. People who did work, contribute something, may have been killed simply because someone with a god complex didn't think they were doing enough.

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For something that was nothing more than a brief mention (and not stated very clearly, at that) this topic gets a lot of attention.

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Considering that Matt and Mello were the bestest of friends/lovers for life, this topic at least has something in canon to draw upon. I mean sure they interacted, and admitted more so in the mange than the anime, but exactly where this comes from is something else entirely.

 

Of course this gets attention, and its mainly because the defination of what lazy was was never stated. Even people who believe in Light's means of dealing with criminals will bulk at the idea of following him if there's a chance of dying. What exactly is lazy, and probably more important is how much down time is a person allowed. Would the head of a large corporation, one who just collects the check, be considered lazy? After all his business employs many people and he may even give some of his money to worthy causes, but if the majority of his time is spent on golf courses...well certainly he could do something more productive with that time. Or how about the average joe that sets aside one hour a day for video games. What if Light would only allow five hours a week? Would this be considered lazy, even though this person works hard all the other hours? There's just too much left to the imagination.

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