DragonBall Z

[DubV]

It was sick!!! Dude could of killed majin buu by him self, all they had to do is have goku go ss3 and have trunks and goten fuse in to ss3 then double team his arse ,

or even wait for gohan  with his unlocked power and freaking go ####,  or even wish back vegeta and let gohan and vegeta do a fusion and then let goku turn ss3 and have fused

trunks and  goten ss3  and let then fk that fool up

there was soo man different ways buu could of bin defeated, but the goku/vegeta fusion  was pretty awesome

Wow if you didn't now DBZ this would be really confusing.  Only ultimate fans can keep up with this convo.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

Haha, I can follow the conversation.

I believe that the SS3 transformation was right before Goku taught Goten, Trunks, Krillin, and Piccolo the Fusion Dance, and that transformation drained much of the remaining time he had on Earth. If you recall, Goku later told Vegeta that he probably could have finished Buu off as a SS3 but wanted Trunks and Goten to have a crack at him. And Gohan did not finish training/unlocking his hidden powers on the Kai planet until after Goten and Trunks had already fuzed, trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and went SS3. IIRC, Gohan did not arrive until after Gotenks had used up all his power and de-fused. And when they tried to re-fuze, Buu absorbed them.

Gotta love DB/DBZ and Akira Toriyama. LOL.

[DBZ4ever]

Goku told Vegeta (I believe or Supreme Kai) that he could have beaten Buu as SS3. He didn't because he wanted to pass the torch to the younger generation so that they could protect Earth. Goku is just that way, he never takes things too seriously. Heck he banked everything on Gohan being able to take Cell out.

In the end Goku did of course have to defeat Buu. He could have saved everyone a lot of grief if he had done so when he first transformed into a level 3 earlier with Majin Buu instead of having to use the spirit bomb at the end on Kid Buu. Good thing those people love Hercule.

[Darkstar_Zero]

That's the major issue why I don't like the Buu saga that much.

[crushrose]

yeah i like going to youtube and watching

"first time" on dragon ball z its awesome

i also got a link after that a amv when goku fights kid buu

its funny how while they are fighting goku kicks buu and he stretches all the way where hurcul is gives him and two peace signs

[Xiammes]

Goku wouldn't have had the time to destroy Buu, after a few minutes in SSJ3 he had drained nearly 20+ hours of his time on earth, another minute and he would have completely lost all his time, even he was suprised how much time he wasted. With Buu regeneration, even if Goku wasn't #### around, he wouldn't have gotten the job done

Gohan unlocked power definatly could have destroyed Super Buu, but Buu outsmarted him and he lost.

Vegeta couldn't be wished back, the Earths Dragonballs can only wish someone back once, and Vegeta was brought back on Namek.

SSJ3 Gotenks was only equal to Super Buu, they can't defeat him withing the time limit.

Kid Buu was the weakest Buu, so it isn't suprising Goku could have defeated him.

I like Buu Saga the most it seemed to be the most like Dragonball, Toriyama had the most control over this story arc since he started part 2. Everything seemed so urgent and the villian was actually getting #### done, everything was really grim which while not entirely new to DB they brought it to a new level that it was almost depressing. The humans always had someone strong they could hope for to win, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta, but Buu had killed 2 of them and the other was only allowed on Earth for a day. In the end Buu actually managed to kill everyone on Earth and blow up the planet, making him one of the most successful villians in any fiction.

[DubV]

Kid Buu was the weakest Buu??????

No infact he was the strongest Buu.

[Xiammes]

Kid Buu definatly was the weakest, not counting Mr. Buu. Please tell me how Goku was able to fight evenly with Kidbuu, but even fighting against Super Buu he knew he and Vegeta wasn't going to be able to take him.

As far a power levels go.

Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Gohan > Buucilo > Super Buu = Gotenks > Evil Buu = Kid Buu = Goku > Mr. Buu > Vegeta > Cell = Dabura > Piccolo 

Trust me, I have watched and read the series extensively. 

[DubV]

im %100 disagreeing

[Xiammes]

Please tell me how Kid Buu was stronger then anyother then Mr. Buu, tell me how did remvoving 4/5 of his power make him stronger? He was the most dangerous since he had no morals or any desires, but Super Buu and Gohan could have easily mopped the floor with him. Goku knew that he and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance against Super Buu,  but Kid Buu was weak enough for Goku to fight 1 vs 1.

Stop being retarded, there is no way Kid Buu is anywhere close to being the strongest. The strongest unfused villian like Gohan is the strongest unfused hero, yeah thats true.

[DubV]

Because supreme kai said this was the strongest of the buu's

and please don't call me retarded, I find that offensive, Im trying to have a friendly debate and name calling is not appreciated

[Xiammes]

Supreme Kai is wrong, he is the most dangerous by far since he won't think twice about blowing up the planet. You can't think logically think that Kid Buu is the strongest if you actually paid any attention to the series.

Sorry about the retarded part, but even if you paid even a little attention, you would have realized how stupid Supreme Kais statement is, since all evidense points to him being wrong.

[DubV]

Uhuh  Your opinion not facts, but the writer of Dragon Ball Z say's surpreme kai is right so IM going to go with that, and just because he seemed stronger in that other form doesn't mean he was, and no matter how strong the foe ofcourse goku will find a way to beat him he's the freaking hero.

[Xiammes]

Do you have link or statement that Toriyama that states that Supreme Kai is correct or that Kid Buu is the strongest. Toriyama is extremely inconsistent with his series, remember that scene where Goku had trouble lifting 40 tons?

Its not a opinion, I am going by facts. Why would Goku want to fuse to beat Buu, if he could do it without fusing? Kid Buu is not a transformation, it was detransformation, why would he be weaker when he absorbed people?

[DubV]

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Xiammes wrote:

Do you have link or statement that Toriyama that states that Supreme Kai is correct or that Kid Buu is the strongest.

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Yeah that statement is that he wrote it. That's the fact. Why would he Wright that if it wasn't true, and why would he make kid buu the last buu if he wasn't the strongest.

Common sense would get you your answer  man oh man I need a third party on this to agree with me.

[Xiammes]

Because Kid Buu wasn't a transformation, why would he be the strongest. I guess when Gohan punched 18 out of Cell he got much stronger by reverting back to his imprefect stage right? You really believe that Goku at base can barely lift 10 tons per limb, despite the fact people like Mercenary Tao have strength feets in thousands of tons range or Goku jumping into the stratosphere in dragon ball which would have required alot more strenght.

Here is two sources for third party opinions, Yahoo answers directly talks about this situation and the second is a group of Dragonball fans discus the strongest Buu, which Kid Buu isn't anywhere near the top.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090405225815AAXISv5

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kid_Buu

[DubV]

Nothing official about those links seems they are having the same debate we are.

The last of the Villians are allways the strongest of the Villians thats how DBZ works and thats how it's allways bin, just like alot of other animes for example Bleach, everything else you think is fact is just speculation

[Xiammes]

I give up, I am tired of arguing with you since you seem to fail to understand logic, its like I am arguing with a child, no offense intented.

The rule is the next villian is usually stronger then the last, we didn't swap villians we get a detransformation that made Buu weak enough for Goku to beat. There is no speculation, why would goku smash his potara errings but recently wanted to fuse with Vegeta to beat Super Buu? Only a child would deny such overwhelming evidence.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

Xiammes, for all the #### you're saying about knowing everything about Dragon Ball and about the other guy being a retarded child, you fail to bring up the fact that saiyans get stronger with each fight. Goku had a tough battle with Fat Buu in SS3, and got beat up by Super Buu a couple times before he turned into Kid Buu. So yeah at that point Goku would have been much stronger, and could hang with Kid Buu even though Kid Buu was playing around throughout the fight. I personally see Kid Buu as the stongest Buu.

Plus, Kai wouldn't have been so afraid just because of Kid Buu was so dangerous and wouldn't hesitate to blow the planet up. Super Buu was even less childish than Kid Buu, and if he is truly stronger than Kid Buu, I don't see why Kai would have been so much more afraid of Kid Buu than Super Buu and his transformations. Remember, the absorption of that fat Kai with Kid Buu actually made Buu regress into the childish fat form. I believe that Kibito Kai even admitted that the fat Kai's energy held Buu's power back.

[Xiammes]

Zenkai boosts haven't been relevant to the series in a long time and Zenkai boosts only occur during near death situations which Goku hasn't been in since his fight with Frieza or the heart virus if you want to count that. So Goku didn't recieve any power ups just like Buu didn't recieve any powers ups after removing 2/3 of his power.

Kai was afraid of Kid Buu because it was his first form, the form that haunted his memories. Grand Supreme Kai made him docile, it didn't make him weaker. I am sorry, I 'll take my overwhelming evidence somewhere else because you can't handle the fact that Goku or Kid Buu aren't the strongest of anything

[okjsdhfjdsf]

No, it was said in the series that Saiyans get stronger after every fight, but if they do survive near-death situations it only makes them that much stronger.   And no, I don't get mad when Goku is not the strongest or the villains he defeats are not the strongest or whatever you want to imply, which is stupid.  If I got butthurt every time Goku was proven to not be the strongest, I would have been a very sad individual.  So, you're an idiot for even implying that.  Calling someone retarded and a child just because he/she disagrees with you is stupid.  Implying that people get mad at Goku being weak is stupid.  No matter what your "knowledge" of Dragon Ball is, you are very clearly showing stupidity in this thread.

We all have our opinions and have interpreted the show differently obviously.  So let's just drop this petty ####.

[Xiammes]

Any stupidty I have shown was soley because you guys are impossible to deal with which helps reminds me why I don't hang around alot of forums these days. Goku fighting Super Buu and Fat Buu would not have made his power jump up 3-4 times in power, just like having ripped out Fat Buu, Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten wouldn't have made Buu any stronger. Changing form does not entail a power increase, Buu was made weaker so Goku could actually stand a chance, or do you think Vegeta somehow gained power equivalent to a SSJ3 before he decided it would be better to fight Buu without fusion?

There is no opinions, I am going by clear facts presented in the series, the only thing you are holding onto is a badly translated statement by someone who has been consinstently wrong about powerlevels in the series.

[DubV]

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Xiammes wrote:

 its like I am arguing with a child, no offense intented.

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Just saying no offense intended doesen't mean it's not offensive, you obviously can't have a mature debate with out name calling and getting over welm with anger and frustration, so be for you start flaming me and im going to end it with this, i feel as though IM right and your %100 dead wrong and how you even got to this conclusion racks my brain, but it's how you feel and your are willing to defend to to a point where I can't go, so Im glad your a DBZ and im pretty sure we both love DBZ, but there's no convincing each other who is right, (even though i know I am) but since there's no progress in this debate , lets just drop it

[DubV]

And thank you for seeing my points and recognizing his offensive behavior

[Xiammes]

Do you know how a child argues? I spent a good amount arguing with my younger sibilings, and your arguement is just as well thought out as theres.

I never resorted to name calling, I always addressed your points but you seem to ignore them with no evidence of your own. I personally don't care if you believe you are right, I came in here to clear up some ignorance about Dragonball, instead I got someone who won't listen to reason. The only reason there is no progress is because you refuse to admit when you are wrong.

How does my conclusions "rack your brain" Dragonball is rather straight forward and not in the least bit complicated. Goku fought evenly with Fat Buu as a SSJ3, if you want to believe he was holding back lets go to the next point. Goku had wanted to fuse with Gohan to defeate Super Buu, but Gotenk wore off and Gohan could have finished Buu right then and there till he got absorbed making Buuhan. Goku wanted to fuse with Vegeta to defeat Buuhan, the strongest form of Majin Buu. The formed Vegetto who outclassed Buuhan as just a SSJ1.

After getting absorbed, Goku and Vegeta ripped out Trunks, Goten, Gohan and Piccolo making Buuhan go back to regular Super Buu. It then took everything Goku and Vegeta had as SSJ2 just to repel Super Buu, which goku said "even if we worked together we wouldn't be able to defeat Buu". Vegeta then ripped out Fat Buu, causing him to revert to his first and weakest form Kid Buu. Goku and Vegeta smashed there potara errings and they confidently believed they could destroy Kid buu without the errings. Later Goku even admits that he could have defeated Kid Buu if he wasn't messing around and even believed Vegeta would have been able to put up a fight.'

So how did Goku go from "we can't defeat (Super) Buu" to believing that he alone could have destroyed Kid Buu? How would that make Kid Buu the strongest when Goku who was outclassed by all other forms of Buus aside from Fat and Kid Buu, could defeat him?

I can not possible elaborate anymore, if you still believe Kid Buu is the strongest, you are either one of the most stubborn people I have ever met, or you need some serious help. I refuse to post in this thread any longer unless I get a apology for wasting my time trying to clear up some misunderstandings.