Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

[ritster21]

Who would win in a battle to the death?

Lust ¨The Ultimate Spear¨  vs Original Greed ¨The Ultimate Shield¨.

Note: Greed starts out with his entire body covered with the Ultimate Shield.

[mgangel1124]

Probably Lust, since he told Izumi he doesn't like to fight women.

[hawkflame]

It's a draw.  He won't fight women, but he has no problem hardening himself against a woman who attacks him.

[MaryMagdelicyoius]

Spoiler

Probz draw I can't see anyone besides Roy beating Lust* since Roys power is perfect for Homonculus killing.

[ProudTelvisionAddct]

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hawkflame wrote:

It's a draw.  He won't fight women, but he has no problem hardening himself against a woman who attacks him.

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wow I just realized how sexy greed is <_< >__> <_<

[SonjaJade]

I think Greed would win this one.  He can put his shield up and keep it up, where Lust would have to retract the spear and shoot it out again.  Seems like a lot of work where greed hardly has to do anything.

Also, short of stab wounds, what can Lust really do?  Greed is STRONG and SHIELDED.  He's not limited to one attack like Lust.  Now if Lust could make her spears take on a blade appearance, she could do more.

[BUU8800]

I think neither would win because they simply wouldn't fight, but if they both actually fought Greed would win because he would just put up his shield effectively making him impervious to her spear correct? Meanwhile he could just take her by the head and repeatedly bash her skull against a big rock or something until she used up her stone. Of course she'd probably just run away before this, or maybe the spear could get through his shield but that seems doubtful to me.

[ritster21]

Why do you say that Greed's Ultimate Shield trumps Lust's Ultimate Spear?

[BUU8800]

I assume it is made out of carbon or something like that correct? Wouldn't Lust's spear need to be made of something harder to pierce it? Is it?

[Meilag32]

I'd have to go with a tie.

To all the people saying that Greed wouldn't fight, well that's wrong.  He doesn't like to fight/hurt women.  But he showed that he was willing to, if pushed into a corner.  And anyways, I doubt he considers Lust a woman.  Just as a I don't think he considers himself a man.  He considers himself and her, homunculi.  I feel that he makes a distinction. 

Lust couldn't do much damage to him.  They're made of the same stuff: carbon.  So Lust would be able to make a dent in Greed's armor.  But that's it.  And he would heal.  So unless the fight had some extenuating circumstances, it would end in a tie.  He, unable to really attack her without getting hit by the "spears", and her being unable to damage him in any sort of detrimental way. 

[ritster21]

Wrath mentions that Lust has an Ultimate Spear that could pierce any substance.

Wrath also mentions that Greed has an impenetrable Ultimate Shield.

By definitions, Lust can break through anything. Impenetrable means that it is impossible to pass through or enter.

It's a case of Ultimate Attack vs Ultimate Defense.

Lust has the Ultimate Spear which can pierce through any substance. Therefore, it should be able to pierce through Greed's Ultimate Shield. Otherwise, if it can't, then it is not the Ultimate Spear.

Greed has the Ultimate Shield which is impenetrable. Therefore, it should be able to block Lust's Ultimate Spear. Otherwise, if it does not, then it is not the Ultimate Shield.

One of these have to crack. However, since we have no evidence to actually determine which is better, we can't make an educated judgement.

Therefore, if Lust's Ultimate Spear meets Greed's Ultimate Shield, then THE UNIVERSE WOULD EXPLODE!!!!  THE UNIVERSE CAN'T COMPUTE A VICTORY SINCE IT WOULD CONTRADICT THE OTHER ULTIMATE WEAPON!!!

However, if Lust were to fight Greed without the Ultimate Shield covering his entire body, Lust would win. Let's face it. Greed is pretty dumb. Wrath defeated Greed because he cut him in the spots that were not protected. During the rematch between Greed and Wrath, Greed didn't learn from his past battle and only put up the Ultimate Shield up to his arms.

If Greed would have put on the entire Ultimate Shield from the start, Greed would have owned Wrath and Fu could have lived. That is why I would say Lust wins. Greed would be dumb and only put up his shield up to his arms, and then Lust would just stab/slice the parts that were unprotected.

Summary:

Lust(Ultimate Spear) vs Greed(Full Ultimate Shield): UNIVERSE EXPLODES!!!!

Lust(Ultimate Spear) vs Greed (No Ultimate Shield from the start): Lust wins.

[BUU8800]

I doubt Greed, even with the ultimate shield covering his entire body, would be able to defeat Wrath in a one on one fight. If he ganged up on him with others maybe, but alone even with Ling giving him help and Wrath not using a sword I believe he couldn't even harm him....once...

It was only after the surprise injury Fu and Buccaneer land that he manages to scratch out his eye. I doubt a fully armored Greed would do much better on his own. To me it seems the most he could hope for is Wrath to get tired as he has only a single-soul philosopher's stone. I assume Wrath would flee the battle before then or maybe use his surroundings to gain an advantage...all hypothetical I know, but from what we have in the series to go on Greed wouldn't win in a purely one on one battle without a chance occurence or luck or something else totally unpredictable.

[ritster21]

Wrath wouldn't win either.

No matter what Wrath can do, there is no way he would be able to pierce Greed's Ultimate Shield.

However, while Wrath can dodge Greed's attacks, all Greed has to do is get lucky ONCE. Also, Greed never has to dodge Wrath's attacks since his Ultimate Shield protects him. Greed can just go on attacking and attacking without blocking or stopping until he hits Wrath.

Wrath CAN'T hurt Greed. Greed CAN hurt Wrath.

Greed has a much better chance at defeating Wrath than Wrath does at defeating Greed.

This is all of course when Greed has the Ultimate Shield carrying his entire body.

[BUU8800]

I dunno I still have a hard time seeing Greed land a single hit on Wrath unless he was exhausted, the difference between the two's physical abilities really is that great(which is astounding considering it is implied Wrath was even better in his youth). Like I said Wrath would likely flee the battle before then assuming he couldn't capture Greed first somehow. So if they fought under such conditions I'd have to say draw everytime unless you consider Wrath fleeing as making him the loser...

[Meilag32]

Yeah, it's a paradox.  It's like that old Robot Chicken sketch where God gives some warrior the "world's best sword" and the "world's strongest shield".  Then tells him not to touch the two together because he wasn't sure which one beat the other. 

And let's say that Greed isn't dumb enough to keep his face unshielded.  Let's go full power for both.  Otherwise you are basically saying that Greed at half-power loses to Lust. 

[ritster21]

I did go full power for both. Read my first post.

My long post is me saying stuff about the paradox between Ultimate Spear and Ultimate Shield.

It also had two outcomes.

Lust(Ultimate Spear) vs Greed(Full Ultimate Shield): UNIVERSE EXPLODES!!!!

Lust(Ultimate Spear) vs Greed (No Ultimate Shield from the start): Lust wins.

[Meilag32]

Yeah, and I said you can basically disregard the second battle.  There is nothing stopping Greed from going full shield, besides personal preference. So, for the sake of hypothetical reasoning, we'll have him go full shield.  By the way, there is nothing stopping him from doing that, aside from personal preference.  I get the feeling you think he can't, for some reason. 

[ritster21]

I had him full shield from the very beginning.

 I only came up with a scenario at the end where we would have a victor.

[Meilag32]

You can't weaken one of them just to declare the other the winner.  I'd say, Greed wins.  Lust can't hurt him and he can still hurt her. 

[ritster21]

Why do you say Lust can't hurt Greed?

[mgangel1124]

Because he has the ultimate shield?

[ritster21]

And Lust has the Ultimate Spear.

Your point?

[Meilag32]

If they're both based on carbon, Greed's shield would hold longer than Lust's fingers, molecularly speaking.  Her "spears" would be worn down or eventually shattered while Greed's shield would dent, just a lot slower. 

[ritster21]

Ok. I see where you are coming from.

[westpark]

Greed, tho Lust would bang him.