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Yay or Nay put Action first on Saturday?

I see quite a few complaints about action being on too late or that it's not fair that anime fans have to wait through King of the Hill, Family Guy and The Boondocks for their anime fix.

 

So what if the tables were turned?

 

Say anime gets 9PM-12AM and comedy get 12AM-6AM.

 

Would you want that?

 

People seem to be under the impression that 10PM is a better slot than Midnight on a Saturday and given all the competition from movies in theaters and sporting events, I don't think 10PM is a better slot to premiere anime than Midnight but the 11 hour might be.

 

Perhaps a more reasonable suggestion would be anime gets 9PM-12AM, comedy gets 12AM-3AM and anime gets 3AM-6AM for reruns and encores. But I get the feeling most anime viewers don't want to have 2-3 hours of comedy in the middle of their action block unless the only thing airing later is encores. Although, maybe not many action viewers would mind if it was actiony comedy and The Boondocks for the comedy break.

 

For ratings purposes all anime Saturday isn't feasible. They need to give comedy a few hours to draw in casual viewers along with the hardcore viewers already tuning in for the anime. For the longest time they've used the first hours draw those viewers in but maybe it would work better to give comedy the middle. I suggest that because ratings on Saturday tend to ramp up at the beginning and taper off after Bleach. So say they have shows leading up to Bleach followed by a new show boosted by Bleach then The Boondocks and other actiony comedies bring up the middle of the night and should actually improve the ratings of the anime airing both before it and after it.

 

Having anime premieres earlier would be nice for those of us who already tune in for them but might prefer to watch them earlier.

 

However, I caution that the ratings of those premieres before 12AM would likely be worse because of the greater amount of competition. So would that be worth the risk? They could potentially grow larger audiences in that time frame considering ThunderCats does great with 18+ on Friday nights at 8:30PM. Just about as well as Bleach does at midnight on Saturdays. They'd also be getting a boost from the comedy block in the middle.

 

I'm also certain the total viewer ratings for those anime would sky rocket if they were airing earlier at night but that's not exactly a selling point when they mostly want 18-34 viewers tuning in.

 

That said, if you don't want to have part of the action block after a comedy break then would you be prefer an earlier action block that's half the size or the later action block as it is? Personally I'd be fine with a split if it meant more action animation could air. Because once again no comedy on Saturday just doesn't seem feasiable now. Not with the current ratings expectations. But I think they could actually improve their current Saturday night ratings average with a split block. If things continue as they are, I wouldn't be surprised to see 1.5-2 Hours around 2AM returning to comedy splitting the action block anyway. That would likely get better ratings than the split block I'm suggesting right now since they'd have mainstream comedy up front and a little bit of it in the middle to boost the anime with low ratings after 2AM. But I'd rather see them try action up front at least once.

 

Any thoughts?

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the ratings might go up, but i like it where it is...

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From an overall ratings standpoint, I think the earliest feasible time for Action would be the 11 P.M. Eastern hour, and only for premieres.

If I had to make a change, in order to keep three hours of Comedy, I would let it keep the first two hours, then stick the other hour in the last hour of the night. People watching [as]/CN at that time are accustomed to Comedy being in those slots anyway, so I don't think it would have an adverse impact on viewership at those times.

I like the arrangement between Comedy and Action on Saturday as it is. There aren't enough strong Action draws at this time to warrant more hours for Action, and since I wouldn't want to split the Action into two smaller doses, I'm fine with leaving it as it is.
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An excellent response. I actually hadn't considered slicing a little comedy off the front and moving it in the middle of action.

 

I would agree based on all ratings data premieres before 11PM are going to do worse than premieres after 12AM.

 

So ideally they could do The Boondocks at 10PM and anime premieres at 11PM but I don't see them going for that when The Boondocks does better at 11PM than any anime except occasionally losing to Bleach premieres some weeks. 10:30PM-12AM is pretty rock solid as far as ratings go. 9PM-10:30PM could do better with different shows perhaps anime but maybe only Bleach would do as well as King of the Hill at 9PM.

 

Comedy viewers are used to seeing comedy at 10PM-12AM but 9PM is still kind of fresh and mallable. So they could certainly try some anime at 9PM as long as it's not TV-MA (content restrictions) but I wouldn't recommend premieres anywhere near that early so it'd have to be reruns and again really only Bleach could work unless InuYasha can still get the ratings it once did if it's in a watchable slot.

 

The comedy warm-up doesn't really ramp up until 10PM anyway.

 

But having just an hour of comedy in the middle of the night unless it's The Boondocks or a very actiony comedy would feel very out of place so I guess they could just encore The Boondocks if it's airing earlier because a niche comedy isn't going to raise the numbers. They need Family Guy, American Dad, The Boondocks or Robot Chicken in that slot or they may as well be airing some of the higher rated action shows then.

 

 

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If, for whatever reason, they thought the Action absolutely needed to have a Comedy interlude, I think the only shows which would not break the Action feel would be Boondocks or VB, and giving them either the 2 or 3 A.M. Eastern hour before encores of premieres could work.

As for the 9 P.M. Eastern hour, maybe a couple episodes of Bleach as a lead-in would do fine, but it's a bit of a jarring transition from that to either Am. Dad or FG in the 10 P.M. hour. Sure, Bleach has enough episodes that it could sustain an hour block of reruns to start the night, provided [as] still has the rights to air all of the early stuff, but sticking that at the front, breaking for a couple hours of heavyweight Comedy, jumping to a few more hours of Action, including the premieres, having an hour of actiony Comedy, and then showing encores of the premieres plus some reruns strikes me as a very jarring and fragmented schedule.
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I don't think anime benefits being seen that early. Just doesn't jive with its underground appeal.
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I agree, too many jumps would be jarring. Granted they did it before when weekdays was comedy and action. Weekdays was originally 1 hour of comedy and 2 hours of action and when they would encore that it would mean switching from comedy to action more than once. So I don't think people would be that put off by it but it seems like something they don't want to do anymore.

 

Earlier this year Bleach did really well next to American Dad so I think that would be alright but The Boondocks and VB work better, Boon in particular.

 

So they could maybe do King of the Hill and American Dad followed by Bleach and newer anime, then The Boondocks at 1AM and then anime reruns  2AM-6AM.

 

But I don't see them giving 11PM to action while The Boondocks does so well there and anything less than AD, FG or The Boondocks isn't going to greatly help 2AM-6AM so unless they encored The Boondocks episodes that would be airing earlier they might be better off keeping comedy in the first 3 hours and using that hypothetical Bleach rerun hour in the middle of the action block to drum up some late night ratings.

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RPD wrote:

the ratings might go up, but i like it where it is...



Same here, i don't wanna mess with it.

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Hm, maybe they could go with Bleach reruns in the 3 A.M. Eastern hour, so it could help a lackluster portion of the block and be a natural lead-in to the encores at 4 A.M. Bebop and GitS could share the 2 A.M. hour. Of course, this would mean dropping FLCL and Big O, but given how much [as] likes the former and the permanent rights to the latter, they would still be around in the future to plug into the schedule somewhere else when [as] felt the inevitable need for a change.
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Well back in my day we had nothing but anime on saturday....it was glorious. back when they had good **beast** like gundam 0083 and yuu yuu hakusho. but i think you got a good point.

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[as] has tried anime earlier in the night and the ratings didn't do any good if I remember.

Honestly, I don't care where they put it, I just DVR it and never turn [as] on anyway.

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I wouldn't want neither. If the channel can't commit to a 24/7 anime channel then there is no point. The whole idea of "sharing" blocks is a waste of time. Especially "time" since it takes time to get to the actual show. If your an anime fan and have a computer...there is hundreds of websites for your needs. Don't waste your time attempting to watch anime on Adult Swim/Cartoon Network. It's really not worth the "Forced wait"

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If Saturday must have any comedy let it continue to air first. I would prefer anime took back the entire night, though I suppose even just the 11 o'clock timeslot would be a good start but then...what series do they even have that isn't currently running to air then anyway?

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I would. I also think if we were in that time slot that our ratings would be higher as people often watch before they go out or before they go to bed. Not everybody stays up all night.

 

Still, I doubt they will. [as] seems to hate anime.

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westpark wrote:

I would. I also think if we were in that time slot that our ratings would be higher as people often watch before they go out or before they go to bed. Not everybody stays up all night.

 

Still, I doubt they will. [as] seems to hate anime.


The 18+ ratings probably actually wouldn't be higher since a lot of 18+ viewers are out doing things on Saturday nights until around 11 or later.

 

The teen ratings would be much better and the total ratings would reflect that but that's not ratings Adult Swim wants to get.

 

Sure would be good more convenient for the college students who are going to tune in for anime regardless but I wouldn't count on the 18+ ratings improving in the timeslots before 11PM and 11PM is not going back to anime while The Boondocks continually beats the anime.

 

 

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If we had more new shows then I would say yes. However as of now I couldn't see it doing anything great as the only new anime is Bleach durring a filler arc.

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Agreed^

The action block should be left alone until the new titles come in. Once they got the stuff on board, they can choose to do whatever they want to do w/ the block.
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On the contrary, I think trying anime first right now would be easier to do because they only have Bleach for premieres. They could run Kekkaishi and FMA:B reruns in the 9 hour and Bleach premieres at 10:30 (or Bleach reruns and keep the premieres at 10PM).

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The recent Star Wars marathon Saturday ratings added some more fuel to my fire.

 

The ratings indicated that there was a nice spike after 2AM for the comedy programming. The reason no doubt is people got home in the after bar hours and were interested in watching comedy after getting wasted. Those same viewers have no interest in the slower paced intellectually inclined Ghost in the Shell or Big O much less the slow paced Durarara and odd mix of camp and seriousness in FMA: Brotherhood. At most they could tollerate the playful banter and fighting in InuYasha or Bleach.

 

It seems likely that a comedy block starting around 2AM or 2:30AM could drive up the late night ratings to impressive levels.

 

Comedy's weak point on Saturday is before 11PM, really only Family Guy or American Dad can air in the 10 hour and still pull in good ratings. It's tough to argue comedy shouldn't keep the 11 hour but I think anime in the 11 hour could do well enough to earn it's keep and Adult Swim wont consider it that bad of a trade if the late night stoner block of comedy drives up the night average in the process.

 

So this is what I propose they try

 

Maybe an even split with action first

9:00 PM InuYasha
9:30 PM Kekkaishi / FMA:B or InuYasha when if Kekkaishi is gone this year
10:00 PM FMA: B
10:30 PM Bleach (Encore)
11:00 PM Bleach (Premiere)
11:30 PM Durarara
12:00 AM Cowboy Bebop
12:30 AM The Big O
1:00 AM Ghost in the Shell
1:30 AM The Boondocks
2:00 AM The Boondocks
2:30 AM American Dad
3:00 AM Family Guy
3:30 AM Robot Chicken
4:00 AM Space Ghost
4:30 AM Harvey Birdman
5:00 AM KOTH
5:30 AM KOTH

 

If they get another premiere then they can move Bleach up a half hour and either not encore the other anime premiere or drop another anime rerun to slip in an encore somewhere.

 

I honestly do believe this will get Adult Swim great comedy ratings on Saturday and also get far better anime ratings and improve action animation's visibility to the American populace a great deal.

 

If perhaps they feel comedy needs to stay in the 11 hour then maybe they could try this kind of split.

 

09:00 PM - InuYasha

09:30 PM - FMA: Brotherhood

10:00 PM - Bleach

10:30 PM - New Anime

11:00 PM - The Boondocks

11:30 PM - Family Guy

12:00 AM - American Dad

12:30 AM - Metalocalypse

01:00 AM - Anime Classic

01:30 AM - Durarara

02:00 AM - Bleach Encore

02:30 AM - New Anime Encore

03:00 AM - The Boondocks

03:30 AM - Family Guy

04:00 AM - American Dad

04:30 AM - Metalocalypse

05:00 AM - KOTH

05:30 AM - KOTH

 

Actually I think the above block would get even better ratings but anime loses 2 hours and they wont be able to air all their anime at the same time.

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Pretty much they try to have the new anime on later so people will watch longer and they get more cash for advertisement.

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They'd get similar or better rating with comedy in the late hours so that's not a concern in regards to when anime airs.

I do honestly believe shounen reruns and Bleach ptrmieres could beat the current Saturday prime time average.
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No one likes Kekishi and Inuyasha while it's alright has been rerun a lot and is in the graveyard early morning slot for a reason.

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Kekkashi is probably gone soon so it does not factor into the scenario. At 9 pm InuYasha could draw a new audience but either way it'll do better than God, the Devil and Bob at 9 pm. FMAB and Bleach can take care of the rest.

ASA is on borrowed time they should try something to improve the ratings.
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The only thing I think that would bring some life back into it is getting some more new anime. Whatever they paid for Kekkashi was too much and just a waste of money. Sure it's popular in japan, but that's the manga and it's popular with young teens.  Adult Swim is gun ho on sticking with anime that are more action based so that make it hard as most anime that have come out as of late have been; Romantic Comedy, Moe, Ecchi, Fanservice anime, Kids. 

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Okay I'm not reading everything on the discription

 

But I will respong to the title of this thread

 

I think late night anime fits in perfect, I would it rather change to sunday night though cause I like to go out on my saturday

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