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[Sketchor]

_hack-SIGN_John made an interesting suggestion regarding One Piece, Kenichi and other anime airing on Adult Swim. It originally came up when he suggested Adult Swim edit movies to remove the boring parts.

http://boards.adultswim.com/t5/General-Adult-Swim-Discussion/Rati
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"I've made this suggestion before with respect to anime, but the purists here were quick to shoot it down & in some cases become enflamed by the suggestion. I don't think [as] needs to show every minute of an anime or even every episode"

"Anime is produced primarily for the Japanese/Asian audience & those viewers love action, cries, & comedy in that order. That's why even a comedy can veer off in an ep with serious drama & not suffer serious consequences in the ratings. That's not America & certainly not [as]. For [as] it's comedy, action, & ,,,,,,, cries. The [as] crowd doesn't have much tolerance for tear jerking moments. They are primarily a short-attention span audience looking for INSTANT gratification in the programming."

"Once again when I mention cutting I'm talking BORING parts. Edits to shorten the programming time. You can't compare that with the edits of the 90's which had to do with S&P in terms of DSLV."

"Take a popular show like Kenchi with good fanservice that has been airing on Funimation for over 2 yrs now. Do you think every scene of every episode of that show is [as] worthy? I don't. But that doesn't take away from his BEST parts. You can easily cut 3 ep to fit an hr space & what you get is a quick moving, pulverizing, fanservice rich hr then. You really don't think they won't appeal to [as] viewers? Isn't fanservice rich content a natural progression for [as] LN now?"

"Why should [as] edit down their anime to airing just the BEST parts? Because their audience isn't coming from anime purists. These people have already seen the subs & possibly dubs elsewhere. These people also prefer their comedy from anime's as well. The audience for Bleach is coming from people like you & I who enjoy animated shows in general. We don't draw a line between anime & a toon any more than we do 2D vs 3D."

"If they had any balls they would get One Piece, edit it down to it's best scenes & fit it long term."

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What he's suggesting is Adult Swim pick up One Piece and Kenichi but he doesn't want them to play it as is he wants them to edit it to remove the boring parts and the parts that make the show feel less mature. Basically edit it up for adults maybe going as far as glossing over the emotional parts and focusing on showing the fights at a quicker pace.

Now I would say if Adult Swim was to air One Piece or Kenichi  or really any anime there's really no good reason to make any modifcations other than shortening the OPs and EDs to fit the time slot but what do you guys think? Would anime do better on Adult Swim if they trimmed the fat or is that process absolutely pointless and ultimately would just cost WS more time, money and effort than it's worth and not really please anyone in the process?

In all honesty I can't think of something that would be much more irritating to the existing anime viewers of Adult Swim but he might be right about the potential of growth outside of the existing audience. It still seems like too much work for WS to ever even consider it but what are your thoughts on the idea of editing shows to better suit Adult Swim's broader audience?

[7of10Lords-a-Leaping]

In my mind, absolutely pointless. The world already thinks everything needs to be 'dumbed down' for Americans, do we have to make them right?

[Meilag32]

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7of10Lords-a-Leaping wrote:

In my mind, absolutely pointless. The world already thinks everything needs to be 'dumbed down' for Americans, do we have to make them right?

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This. 

Unfortunately, most Americans do seem to be dumber than residents of other countries.  Even more reason to get out while you still can. 

[fool_on_the_hill]

That's more like the face I made.

[Shadowstaarr]

Unless your name is Robotech or some iteration of Power Rangers, you have no business cutting and mixing episodes.

[westpark]

If they keep showing anime -- it'll work for me. Though Kenichi is an odd choice. The manga is so much better than the series itself.

Still -- I'd be ok with it. As long as we get anime over comedy.

[Sketchor]

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westpark wrote:

If they keep showing anime -- it'll work for me. Though Kenichi is an odd choice. The manga is so much better than the series itself.

Still -- I'd be ok with it. As long as we get anime over comedy.

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A diversing opinion, interesting.

But man I hear ya, if it keeps anime on Adult Swim. I'm willing to live with edits but I still don't think it's neccessary to trim out "the boring stuff" to keep anime on Adult Swim. Just don't get anime with a lot of "boring stuff" in them in the first place.

[katdream]

I love watching anime on (as) and will continue to do so as long as they are willing to air it, edited or not.

That being said, the problem I see with editing out the "boring" stuff is who decides what exactly is boring or unimportant to the series? I mean I can maybe see filler epsiodes getting chopped, but not out of the main storyline.

[BUU8800]

How do you determine what to cut anyway? What one person finds boring another might enjoy. A bad idea imo...and yes I know the person above me says the same

[Sketchor]

Yes the guiding hand is the biggest concern and I don't trust most people with editing One Piece in particular.

[doxiedachsie]

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BUU8800 wrote:

How do you determine what to cut anyway? What one person finds boring another might enjoy. A bad idea imo...and yes I know the person above me says the same

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This

[BadMothergrocer]

People seem to love One Piece for being obese.

Inuyasha was fattier than pasta, but we didn't say no to it.

[Sketchor]

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BadMothergrocer wrote:
People seem to love One Piece for being obese.

Inuyasha was fattier than pasta, but we didn't say no to it.

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Funny observation, given that I'd say Bleach is pretty obese itself. I mean really that show has been going for 300+ episodes? One Piece has gone for 500+ but at least it's not chock full of long filler arcs and has been a fun ride.

[RPD]

Most Americans just don't take animation seriously. When they want drama they turn to live-action programming...

[Sketchor]

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RPD wrote:
Most Americans just don't take animation seriously. When they want drama they turn to live-action programming...

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Yes, they don't see to grasp the idea that cartoons can have serious dramatic value to them.

Animation is a medium that has no limitations. You can tell any kind of story with animation. I wish more people recongized that.

[RPD]

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Sketchor wrote:

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RPD wrote:
Most Americans just don't take animation seriously. When they want drama they turn to live-action programming...

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Animation is a medium that has no limitations. You can tell any kind of story with animation. I wish more people recongized that.

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Same here. Not only would more anime be televised but we'd get more original animated programming. More stuff like G.I. Joe Resolute...

[cidthekittyisfun]

they should cut out all those betches that are all over mah animaynz and jus keep mah animaynz!
moar animaynz less animaynz-stealing betches!

[BadMothergrocer]

Oh, so you hate Bleach for being a little fat but will forgive One Piece for being a fun obese series?

Prejudice isn't pretty.

[Sketchor]

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BadMothergrocer wrote:
Oh, so you hate Bleach for being a little fat but will forgive One Piece for being a fun obese series?

Prejudice isn't pretty.

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We all have our bias.

But Bleach filler is done in annoying long out of place arcs while One Piece despite being longer has a lower ratio of filler. Toei could stand to pace the whole thing better though that's for sure.

I don't hate Bleach. I started watching it again recently. But is there any reason that story should have continued after you know who dies?

If there's one thing to be said about One Piece using it's length well, it's been building a lot of things up from very early on so the pay-off is excellent.

I don't pretend One Piece is the greatest anime ever because I know it's not. It has many flaws particularly as an anime. But it is none the less my favorite.

[BadMothergrocer]

Fine, Bleach is of a lesser breed than One Piece.

But let's not start making Bleach death camps.

[Sketchor]

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BadMothergrocer wrote:
Fine, Bleach is of a lesser breed than One Piece.

But let's not start making Bleach death camps.

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Well it is about death gods...

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Let the people have their Bleach.

Though I find it interesting how far in popularity it has fallen in Japan while it's about the most successful anime currently airing in the US besides Pokemon. But being on a channel most people actually get probably helps with that.

[BadMothergrocer]

Everyone loves bleach. How many people can have one piece unless it's really really really really really really large?

But I'm getting philosophically off-topic. Don't trim the foreskin of our anime.

[zanz]

i would not mind if for bleach they skipped the terrable side ark seasons and fast tracked the main story, then went back and did the side arks when they ran out of story episodes.  its not really editing since they are not even cannon and are just to make ad space.

i hated the new captian and alternant tail arks, and i did not care for the past, or anything affter season 14 that ive seen so far.

[Jeebus201]

Ridiculous.  Any show should be able to stand on its own merits, and no amount of violent editing will make something like Kekkaishi magically become good unless you get MC Chris and Erik Estrada to perform a gag dub.  I don't think that's what he had in mind.

[lithium_green]

A Turner-owned network cutting something to facetiously satisfy its audience?  That's not gonna cut it.  You'd be risking artistic integrity at that point.  My suggestion is to simply air stuff that is the opposite of what they show on Sunday nights to please the audience that watches [as] for more than just the cheap laugh.  Maybe a movie or two would be good, just to get the general audience watching something that doesn't require a whole lot of effort on their part.  They don't have to go after every newer title either - something from the mid to late 90s would do well on a weekly basis.  Anything to permiate interest, but not at the expense of the product like what you brought out in this thread.