General Adult Swim Discussion

[katt_goddess]

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Sketchor wrote:
I've been wondering about the amount of promotion it got. Thanks for bringing it up.

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There's a part of my brain that registers subconsciously the promotional blah-diddy-blah on a basic level since at least 2008.

Lack of promotion for one part of the block while almost saturating things for the other part of the block has always been a pet peeve of mine. Considering the lack of ads for the Saturday animes, I'd say that their ratings should be skewed even higher than their promoted comedy siblings because the people watching have to tune in for themselves without having to be constantly reminded.

[comedyswimfan089]

If they regularly advertised the animes, and gave it the serial episode ad treatment, then maybe the numbers would rise.  Probably not to 75% the audience that we saw with the Star Wars programming, but it would be a needed improvement, though.

[Jeebus201]

Mike Lazzo has repeatedly said advertisements don't do diddily when it comes to anime.  Polishing turds like Kekkaishi is a rather Herculean tasks.

[comedyswimfan089]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

Mike Lazzo has repeatedly said advertisements don't do diddily when it comes to anime.  Polishing turds like Kekkaishi is a rather Herculean tasks.

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Well, ads if done right can gain exposure.  I'm not asking for ads every 15 minutes, but you know... an episodic "Next time on Bleach" would probably help Bleach's numbers go up 10%-15% if they execute it properly.

I would never suggest that the Ghost in the Shell numbers rival that of what we saw from FG/RC/SWTCW overnight Sat night.

[Jeebus201]

You can only do so much with shows people have no interest in.  Advertise a bad show to the moon, it will still be bad.

[comedyswimfan089]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

You can only do so much with shows people have no interest in.  Advertise a bad show to the moon, it will still be bad.

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I think I remember a few LA's like that.

[Jeebus201]

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comedyswimfan089 wrote:

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Jeebus201 wrote:

You can only do so much with shows people have no interest in.  Advertise a bad show to the moon, it will still be bad.

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I think I remember a few LA's like that.

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And they're not around anymore, now are they?

[comedyswimfan089]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

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comedyswimfan089 wrote:

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Jeebus201 wrote:

You can only do so much with shows people have no interest in.  Advertise a bad show to the moon, it will still be bad.

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I think I remember a few LA's like that.

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And they're not around anymore, now are they?

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Mostly.

[Shmols]

family guy is one of the best shows they have on week days aquateen is alright but #### really tim and eric awesomeshow and childrens hospital those shows are nothing but stupid childish humor i dont know of anyone but druggies thats watch that crap adult swim would do soo much better on ratings with more anime no doubt personaly they are ruining what use to be something to look forward to at nights to oh lord the best thing thats on is infomercials, if it was up to me and its not but #### its common sense that ull get more ratings on something with a storyline compared to non funny downright stupid so called comedies .  at least give us something to look forward instead of being like oh snap its 12 time to turn the channel . saturdays are the only reason i watch adult swim and i try my best not to miss bleach best show on adultswim . to get to the point they took off the best shows and replaced them with crap shows people want something to keep them awed not sitting there for 5 minutes waiting for slow talk about nothing but ur momma jokes and dirty talking... just stupid.. should be a protest for what gets shown and what doesent.

[Jeebus201]

Exactly! Now judge the anime, and when it's found wanting, dump it 5 episodes in.

[KnightStar]

I don't care enough about this mainstream block of meh on Cartoon Network to even get up the ability to boycott [as] because I stopped watching the block five years ago!

2007 done me in, when [as] lost seven anime series in the span of one year, I threw in the towel with this network.

[katt_goddess]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

Mike Lazzo has repeatedly said advertisements don't do diddily when it comes to anime.  Polishing turds like Kekkaishi is a rather Herculean tasks.

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And yet they'll run an ad every 15 minutes for the next new episode of Comedy X. Hades, even if there isn't anything new it'll still get an ad and these are shows that rarely have any sort of continuing storyline. Even one that might be considered like that [I suppose Delocated could have a slight continuing storyline but at the same time, each episode has been self-contained [unless that's changed with the new season - I don't watch crap if I have a choice and since that's on Thursdays right now I always have a choice] ] still gets up-to-date ads while new episodes of any and every anime are ignored. Talk about polishing a turd - Thursdays get more ads in a single night's run than Saturdays get in a whole month. The only times Saturdays get ads is for those times when the normal has to be interrupted for something else that will take over the entire night. The occasional ads for Boondocks don't really count as a Saturday ad since I've only seen them on Saturdays anyway.

[Sketchor]

It's a bit naive to place quite that much faith in advertising. I'm sure advertising helped Star Wars Saturday but it's not going to equally help any non-mainstream appealing anime and maybe not even Bleach or Cowboy Bebop.

I do feel they should at least have an ell encompassing action Saturday promo again and also promoting premieres of anime well in advance and continuously throughout their first run is essential to getting people who aren't already watching to notice those shows.

None the less advertising was not what truly tipped the scale in Star War's night's favor so much as the additional time dedicated to Family Guy and Robot Chicken which are going to draw better than most anime in the same time frame no matter what.

[Dark_Lord_Khrima]

Did they stop advertising Bleach recently? I know they used to have ads for Bleach so if they don't anymore it would follow that those ads weren't doing much good. They also advertised Brotherhood a bit at first and then stopped. Same with Durarara!! They usually do advertise their new animes so people know to tune into the block.

[katt_goddess]

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Sketchor wrote:

It's a bit naive to place quite that much faith in advertising. I'm sure advertising helped Star Wars Saturday but it's not going to equally help any non-mainstream appealing anime and maybe not even Bleach or Cowboy Bebop.

I do feel they should at least have an ell encompassing action Saturday promo again and also promoting premieres of anime well in advance and continuously throughout their first run is essential to getting people who aren't already watching to notice those shows.

None the less advertising was not what truly tipped the scale in Star War's night's favor so much as the additional time dedicated to Family Guy and Robot Chicken which are going to draw better than most anime in the same time frame no matter what.

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I don't place 100% faith in advertising, I just think it's rather sad when there's a claim that ads don't work but at the same time go out of the way to promote other parts of the schedule.

I still remember the ads for Wolf's Rain and Witch Hunter Robin from back when the entire block got wonderful treatment on a much more limited space both budget- and time-wise. I can't as easily recall comedy commercials from then except I think the Brak Show was around then too [Brak is a space kitty so that's a personal excuse for recall and I admit it ] .

[Jeebus201]

And both those shows couldn't draw flies to crap!  Why?  Because no one #### liked them!

How difficult is it to understand that this block has nothing to offer?  It's not a conspiracy.  It's that the shows are crap, and the audience is rejecting the crap.  That's all there is to it.  It's not about pro-anime or anti-anime.  It's about crap shows vs good shows, and all they're airing is crap for kids.

And it's not like this is comparable to the action offerings on CN.  It's not like every action show save one is failing.  There are enough doing well to form a block, two if you count DC Nation.  Here?  All miserable failures save one show. 

[katt_goddess]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

And both those shows couldn't draw flies to crap!  Why?  Because no one #### liked them!

How difficult is it to understand that this block has nothing to offer?  It's not a conspiracy.  It's that the shows are crap, and the audience is rejecting the crap.  That's all there is to it.  It's not about pro-anime or anti-anime.  It's about crap shows vs good shows, and all they're airing is crap for kids.

And it's not like this is comparable to the action offerings on CN.  It's not like every action show save one is failing.  There are enough doing well to form a block, two if you count DC Nation.  Here?  All miserable failures save one show. 

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Thank you for your opinion that I and anyone else who watched those shows is a 'no one' . It will be duly filed along with all the other times you've claimed that no one watches a show you yourself don't like even though the ratings show that yes, people were watching. It doesn't have to crack a billion viewers to mean people watched.

I think that you've already more than established that you hate all these shows just to hate because you've admitted that you've never even watched them. You didn't even watch the Star Wars marathon. You were the first one out of the gate lauding it as the best Saturday ever and You. Did. Not. Even. Watch it. Seriously. That's where your level of negativity hangs out - you hate and you seem to expect everyone to hate along with you for no reason other than you hate.  At least if I go out of my way to express an opinion on a show I dislike, I've managed to watch more than one episode to make such a statement and I still manage to refrain from spamming my opinion in every topic remotely connected to show opinions. If I were to post "Tim & Eric make me pray for a bloody diarrhea death because at least that would be mildly entertaining to someone" , there would be fans who would naturally counter it but at least I've actually watched the show in question. People will give me a little cred for that and weigh it as an opinion but an opinion made by someone who at least gave it a chance. But you just hate anime and use 30 seconds of viewing as the reason to dump on a show and dump on a block.

I'm going to reiterate what that one dude posted - got a good suggestion, then post it. But don't complain about something you don't even watch anyway. Killing an entire block because it doesn't serve you personally is just plain selfish.

[Sketchor]

I couldn't have put it better myself.

And don't go saying Bebop and GitS are crqppy kid's shows Jeebus. Every time you say all they play is kid's crap you can't ignore those nor two others.

People are watching. 300 thousand is a decent chuck of 18-34's. Do you know how many networks wish they could get that after midnight on a Saturday? Quite a lot.

CN really only has a few high rated action shows but that cannot improve if they just stopped airing them.

[rumbatubbies-ok]

"They could make much more with comedy on Saturdays" is what Jeebus will most likely say. He is right, replacing anime with comedy on Saturdays will bring in more, even if it's only 300k more.

But that's not the point, AS is not in it for the $, they're in it to bring alternative programming to cable television. Think about how many networks out there have a programming block dedicated to off-beat comedies, experimental programming, and anime? Nada. Despite what most people think about WS' motives for their scheduling decisions, they are not greedy whatsoever. If they were greedy, they would've completely killed off ASA in late 2008, and use Saturdays as an "All Fox Night" or "McFarlane Night".

Jeebus is overreacting about the state of the block. Just because AS' got some pretty weak acquisitions within the past two years, does not mean the action block is dying, it's just been a slow time period. I do agree that AS' can do A LOT better with their choices in anime, even if Kekkaishi and Drrr seemed like WS got paid to air them. They need to take higher risks when it comes to acquiring anime. For starters, they could reformat their standards that an anime has to meet in order to be aired on AS (this includes useless shit, i.e. no anime before the mid-90's.)

I digress though. For a while, Jeebus was rational from December up until recently. I don't know what made him go out on his tirade again. You can offer all the legitimate reasons as to why AS would benefit w/o the action block, but it won't matter because [as] is going to keep it as long as they aren't bleeding money.

[-Dudeco-]

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rumbatubbies-ok wrote:

But that's not the point, AS is not in it for the $ 

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Jwhoa! I wouldn't say that. While I do agree that [AS] has taken a lot of risks during it's decade on air, I don't think its to the point where they don't care about money. Like every other channel, they are still a business and if they think something is financial suicide, they won't go through with it (Its really as plain as day). They take more risks than any other channel and their artistic principles are intact, but I have no reason to think money has never been involved with their programming choices (Although I doubt it will be to the point where they just get rid of anime or stop making those unqiue programs others wouldn't dare to air).

[Jeebus201]

Let me start over then, particularly in light of Star Wars night and the re-release of Phantom Menance being roaring successes:

1- The action block is NOT airing a lot of different genre's of shows with varying levels of success. It's airing two types of shows- Toonami refuse for children, and boring pretentious babblefests, both of which are failing.

2- The success of Star Wars night is proof that people will watch if comedy is there. Will they watch if animu is there? Not the type they're airing. It's proven to be a failure in the past, but the action block is booked worse than TNA Wrestling. The head booker is probably even more stubborn than Vince Russo, only there's no Hogan/Bischoff team to oust said booker on Adult Swim.

3. It's been six years since Bleach debuted. The amount of successful shows since then? 0. The changes made to their pickup strategy? None. People are not clamoring for more Serei no novels to be animated, they're not demanding more Kekkaishi be made. People like the ideal of Adult Swim Action. And I think the ideal has merit. But the ideal and reality are too far apart.

[-Dudeco-]

If anime is doing as badly as you say it is, they wouldn't air it.

[esushrist]

Yay for Ana May.

[rumbatubbies-ok]

I won't contend with any of those reasons, except for #2.

The success of Star Wars night is proof that Star Wars is popular, not the comedies. Star Wars has a HUGE fanbase, and word of AS having a Star Wars themed night probably spread like wildfire throughout the community. I mean, why else did the Clone Wars garner more than 900k that night?

If AS really wants to compare and contrast the ratings of comedy v.s. action shows on a Saturday night, they should at least use a week or two to experiment with the schedules. E.g. one Saturday is dedicated to the most popular and mainstream comedies, while the proceeding Saturday has alternative and less popular comedies.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing two Saturdays this year for a little experiment like this. Only then will we absolutely know if comedies are good for Saturdays. Whether the schedule get's some changes, is [as]' responsibility, not the audience's opinion.

[katt_goddess]

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rumbatubbies-ok wrote:
I won't contend with any of those reasons, except for #2.

The success of Star Wars night is proof that Star Wars is popular, not the comedies. Star Wars has a HUGE fanbase, and word of AS having a Star Wars themed night probably spread like wildfire throughout the community. I mean, why else did the Clone Wars garner more than 900k that night?

If AS really wants to compare and contrast the ratings of comedy v.s. action shows on a Saturday night, they should at least use a week or two to experiment with the schedules. E.g. one Saturday is dedicated to the most popular and mainstream comedies, while the proceeding Saturday has alternative and less popular comedies.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing two Saturdays this year for a little experiment like this. Only then will we absolutely know if comedies are good for Saturdays. Whether the schedule get's some changes, is [as]' responsibility, not the audience's opinion.

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They kind of already did that with their "No Suck Saturdays" which drove the ratings into a spikey hell spiral as people who would have been tuning in for the anime changed the channel and 'forgot' to change back when the anime restarted later in the night while the same diehard comedy fans the re-runs were aimed at just kinda went 'meh' and didn't really rush to watch either. I know that's what I was doing - forgetting it. I voted with my remote and missed some episodes of shows I would have been watching because I became invested in some other program.

I'd prefer that the Saturday block get the same level of treatment as the scheduling for Sundays. With general care and consideration for the viewing community to which it appeals to. I wish it could be just based on brand loyalty but there's been too many burns suffered for people to just tune in because it's [adult swim] .