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Interesting. It seems that the Adult Swim and Fox friendship over the years has finally come full circle. The Saturday night lineup will have 4 new shows, and the man in charge of it is none other than Adult Swim's own Nick Weidenfeld.

Now Adult Swim is no stranger to competition, but this is the first time we've seen this from a broadcast network. Still, that time slot has never really been a success for Fox. The only show that ever lasted in that position was Mad TV, and it never really did well.

Of course, it all depends on the shows. 

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holy **noel**!

who replaced nick here at adultswim?

he must be mak'n the money now dang

what a f'n trator!

cant blame him i guess

but STILL

he's partner heng baghdady or wtvr

hasnt done **noel** compared to nick

i am very disapoint

but cant wait 2c what they find

cuz its gona suckbigtime sorry nick but u **noel** now

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How interesting that FOX is going late nights on Saturday of all nights.

 

I wonder if they run Animation Domination programming before that block for an extended run of animation that night? They've commonly run American Dad and Cleveland Show reruns on Saturdays around 9PM in recent months but now that spots taken by Terra Nova.

 

I'm also hoping this will ensure some FOX comedies that don't quite work on Sunday will air among other cartoons on Saturday nights.

 

WIth the right people in charge and the right mix of shows this could be successsful and even if it's not all that successful being on network TV gives it a major edge for beating Adult Swim 11PM-12:30AM on Saturday nights.

 

Another factor might come into play as well. FOX might not let Adult Swim air any of their shows in that time frame on Saturday. If they run their comedies before 11PM that might shut Family Guy, American Dad, The Cleveland Show and even King of the Hill out of the Saturday night line-up. Which could make for some big changes to Saturday.

 

What's very good for anime is that only one show (if ASA even starts at 12AM by then) will be going up against FOX's new animation block. So this might be anything but bad for ASA and could even lead to an expansion for ASA to before 12AM if FOX keeps the MacFarlane trio off of Saturday night as a little ensurance for beating Adult Swim on Saturday night from 11PM-12:30AM and the hours surrounding that time.

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I would lolz hard if Fox decides to put annie may on their new late night block.
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Seeing as they're not idiots, I doubt it.

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Seeing as they're not idiots, I doubt it.


They're the idiots who greenlighted Allen Gregory, the idiots who kicked Futurama to the curb and really they have a laundry list of bad moves on their part.

 

Who knows, maybe if they aired something with some actual bite to it anime could work for them.

 

But action or drama animation and foreign comedy animation wont be airing on network television in the US. Not unless it's for kids.

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Wow, that's quite an interesting development. Since they're doing it only on Saturdays (as of now, anyway), I'm surprised they're not starting it at 12:00 and going much later, as to offer an alternative to the AS anime, seeing as how much of the AS comedy fans hate anime. It would have the potential to steal a lot of viewers aways from AS.

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I figured Fox would eventually need a second night to air all their animated shows since they seem to have developed more of an interest in creating a bunch of new animated sitcoms these past couple years. Can't wait to see what shows they create for this block, sounds great. It would be kind of funny if they aired it from midnight to 2:00am or something to compete with AS's anime block, but 11:00-12:30 works, too.
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Jeebus201 wrote:

Seeing as they're not idiots, I doubt it.



I find this statement ironic, considering that they're dumbasses for thinking alternative comedies could work out on Fox.

 

Tell me, who do you think will watch Fox branded indie comedies on a Saturday night? The mainstream audience is exempt, that's for sure.

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Dark_Lord_Khrima wrote:
I figured Fox would eventually need a second night to air all their animated shows since they seem to have developed more of an interest in creating a bunch of new animated sitcoms these past couple years. Can't wait to see what shows they create for this block, sounds great. It would be kind of funny if they aired it from midnight to 2:00am or something to compete with AS's anime block, but 11:00-12:30 works, too.

Man you know if they did run it from 12AM-2AM then AS would in turn air original comedies in those hours because anime would get freak'n slaughtered if FOX did that. So I'm glad that's not what's going to happen.

 

FOX probably figures people wont be interested in staying up quite that late for their alternative comedies on a Saturday night. Hence why it's not airing later.

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So, Nick's no longer the head of program development? Wonder who'll replace him. This new FOX thing sounds interesting, Adult Swim for broadcast TV? I hope the shows they bring out are good. 

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I always knew [AS] and Fox were boinking eachother and I'm not suprised it will eventually carry towards this extent.

Now maybe shows that aren't created by SM or about a wacky family will have a place to thrive on Fox.

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And if those shows don't work out, FOX will have to do some original thinking and bring out the big guns...............more McFarlane shows about wacky families. 

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Well, I won't rule out that possibility. Its like Fry from Futurama said. People wanna see the same thing they've seen a thousand times before and not something unexpected.

 

I wonder how this new block will affect [AS]'s saturday ratings.

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-Dudeco- wrote:

Well, I won't rule out that possibility. Its like Fry from Futurama said. People wanna see the same thing they've seen a thousand times before and not something unexpected.

 

I wonder how this new block will affect [AS]'s saturday ratings.



Technically, I don't think it will affect the Saturday ratings [during the anime anyway] because the hardcore comedy fans aren't the ones watching on Saturdays anyway. So it won't be like Fox is taking away any actual Action fans as long as there is Action on [as]. And while Fox can get away with a lot of things, they are still network so they wouldn't ever really be able to offer any significant anime title even if they decide to go that route. So they aren't really a direct competition if you really look at the types of audience each is likely to be aimming at. As long as [as] has anime, I'll be here for that rather than watching comedy re-runs elsewhere.

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Well, seems to me that in 2013, [as] can keep on doing what they're doing, even if there is a non-competition clause that keeps [as] from airing Fox shows like King of the Hill and Family Guy when Fox is also airing animation.

10:30 - [as]: Family Guy; Fox: Random lead-in
11 pm - [as]: Boondocks; Fox: New Animated Show 1
11:30 pm - [as] Boondocks; Fox: New Animated Show 2
12 am - [as] Bleach - Fox: New Animated Show 3

You just know these 3 new animated shows will be advertised ad nauseum on [as] if [as] isn't actually going to air them.  If anything it might encourage [as] to make the 12 am show a less popular premiere or rerun, then show Bleach at 12:30. Perhaps it would be a good time to show the previous week's Bleach like they did in Spring 2009 at the tail-end of the Bount arc, then follow that up with a 12:30 Bleach premiere?

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That would be fine if they only have Bleach for premieres, if they have other premieres I'd rather Bleach just stick it out because I'm sure it'll do fine what with being a different genre but this at least a year away so it's hard to say what AS will be doing by then.

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It sounds like a really amazing opportunity for Nick W.  The kind of opportunity I think you'd have to be a total dumbass to pass up.  So I don't think anybody can blame him for jumping to Fox.

 

One of the things I always said about the block is that it would be impossible to copy, because so few people really seem to get the aesthetic, especially programmers and network execs seem particularly clueless about it.  But in Nick, Fox has basically somebody who was almost sort of hand picked and trained in that very aesthetic at Adult Swim.  So things just got interesting.

 

I think it's good news that Adult Swim might actually have to step up its game a bit.  Not that it's not now, and has always been, not only a great block, but I think honestly the best overall block of entertainment on television.

 

I will say that, in the past, Adult Swim doesn't do well when it attempts to engage head to head in a direct manner.  IE - they didn't do well when they tried to run anime opposite SyFy's anime block.  They don't tend to do as well with comedy opposite SNL. 

 

They do well as a pirate entity.  That is, pulling their ship up to somebody else's block and looting that.  Like on Thursday nights, capitalizing on NBC's Thursday lineup by running live action comedies after it.  Hitting the after-Fox Sunday with more Fox shows, etc.

 

This might actually be good news for anime, oddly enough, as anime is a relatively inexpensive source of quality and edgy programming.  Adult Swim has been going to that well less and less as the years have progressed.  I think this type of competition may actually possibly drive them at least a tiny bit back in that direction.  Especially Saturday, which - right now the mainstream comedies are sort of dying on Sat night.  Then things pick up again for Boondocks and anime.  But if Fox is running animated comedy in that slot, it might actually be a good idea to try some eye-popping adult action programming opposite that.

 

Or something else.  Live action comedy maybe.  Or even like a "best of" Conan.  I still think it would be awesome to see Adult Swim run a sort of "best ep of the week" thing with Conan.  TBS can spare it one night a week to help grow the audience certainly.  And I think that would play in the Saturday slot possibly.  or even earlier.

 

It's only an hour and a half slot.  But AS started small too. 

 

From what I've seen, attempts to duplicate the block's success have pretty much always failed.  What will make this interesting is Nick.  And Fox has a good track record development-wise anyway on FX.  Archer could run on Fox pretty easily.  I mean, that combination of former AS people and Fox shows that already run on AS, and Nick on top of it, might finally be the successful combination.

 

But if you look at everything from the Strip to SyFy's anime block, it pretty much starts out all hopeful, amibitious, and ultra-hyped, and then ends up falling on its face within a year or two.

 

The alchemy of mainstream, comedy, alternative/unique/niche stuff, action, anime, animation, etc is something that Adult Swim has down.  Most of the larger networks aren't willing to play around with ratings, stunts, and schedules like AS does.  Nor will they give shows the same sort of chance, but budget is a big part of that too. 

 

The beauty of Adult Swim too is, they can run forever on a small budget.  Other networks that want to copy it will often throw a lot of money out and then end up axing it largely because of the money that's at stake.  And obviously there's a lot of money at stake at AS too, but the block has a fiscal discipline that's built into it.  It's tough to find that combination of bizarre creative aesthetic and fiscal discipline.  The two seem kind of almost mutually exclusive in a sense.

 

It shouldn't make financial sense to create unique and potentially alienating shows.  But Adult Swim spins straw into gold every day in that regard in ways that no other network seems able to do.

 

But it'll be interesting.  I can't help but think the Fox thing will putter out in a few years.  But then again, it does sound kind of exciting, especially for Nick.  And this Fox block has a larger shot at success than anything else so far I think.

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Allen Gregory I think was a situation where Fox greenlit a bad show because it had Jonah Hill's name on it.

 

I don't think Nick would put that on his block.

 

It's kind of like AS having to run "Neighbors From Hell".  It was a terrible show, the writing was awful.  Yet they seemingly kinda

aired the first ep as a favor to somebody, or a mandate from somebody, or whatever the hell that was.

 

There are unimaginative and uncreative execs everywhere who greenlight things because they have no actual social, commercial, or creative sense.  IE - they don't know how to do the job they're being paid gzillions of dollars to do.

 

It'll be interesting to see what Nick does with that block, and how well he and Fox will get along.

 

But actually too yeah, I can criticize execs all I want, at the end of the day a show is only technically successful if people will watch it.  Some amazing shows go down in flames instantly, some godawful pieces of crap go on for several seasons.

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Syfy's anime block actually lasted FOUR years (June 2007-2011).

Fox's new Adult Animation block that will compete with The Boondocks and Bleach is an interesting little development indeed. Especially when Anime News Network comments on it, like Nick W. might somehow bring anime to Fox.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-01-08/fox-adult-swim-pl
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But then again, I feel something like that is quite a stretch. It will likely be "Animation Domination II", new shows that don't get on the Sunday night block. Besides, Bleach is the most mainstream adult-oriented anime. What could possibly be more "mainstream" than that, and non-kiddie??
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Also, what happens if one of the "new" shows for Fox's 2013 Saturday block IS Season 4 of the Boondocks? It would be an amazing sort of synergy for the 11:30 slot, and would leave [as] free to air a new anime at 11:30 before Bleach (or maybe air Bleach then instead). It would work something like this:

Saturday 11:30 pm FOX - Boondocks World Premiere
Sunday 11:30 pm [as] - Boondocks Rerun/encore at 2:30 am
Saturday 11 pm [as] - Boondocks 4-peat to get non-anime fans ready for the FOX premiere at 11:30

Then again, nothing like that has ever been OK with Family Guy, so why would it be with The Boondocks?
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Yeah I'm aware of that.  I was using "a year ot two" in the generic sense meaning a handful of years. 

 

I'm pretty sure the Fox block will comedy oriented, and they'll want edgier stuff.

 

It will probably be more likely that you'd see something like Archer than something like KOTH on it I'm guessing.

 

And I can't imagine they would go the anime route in a million years.  It's just not high-yield enough by any stretch of the imagination for network.  They would take a gigantic bath and lose so much money that Nick would get canned right away and Fox would salt the earth the block was laid upon such that nothing could ever grow from the despoiled ratings ground ever again.

 

My guess is, we'll see some shows that are very similar to the alternative type shows Adult Swim airs.  Shows like Moral Orel, AUPS1, and like that.  Only it looks as though they're making full half hour shows, which bites into that aesthetic to a certain extent.  Oddly, while some simply find it difficult to function in an 11 minute environment, there's a lot you can do in an 11 minute show you can't do in a 22 minute segment.  It kind of forces you into a comedy corner in a good way.  The jokes have to come faster.  Plots have to resolve sooner.  For the multi-tasking internet universe, it's more in line with how people think. 

 

So - that'll be interesting too.  To see exactly what these half hour comedies will be. 

 

But I'm fairly certain we'll actually not only not see any anime on this new block in the near future, but also that we'll never see anime on this Fox block ever. 

 

It's simply not cost effective for a network the size of fox.  They'd lose advertisers, they'd lose ratings, and they'd lose way too much revenue.

 

Adult Swim can play around with anime because it actually helps them in a number of ways, augments their programming, and they're not in the same position audience-wise, affiliate-wise, commercially etc as Fox is as a network.

 

IFC, G4, SyFy, AS etc can play around with anime in late night or even primetime.  Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS etc simply can't afford to do that.

 

So no, we probably won't be seeing any anime on the Fox network's new block.

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I will say that, in the past, Adult Swim doesn't do well when it attempts to engage head to head in a direct manner.  IE - they didn't do well when they tried to run anime opposite SyFy's anime block.  They don't tend to do as well with comedy opposite SNL. 

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http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=891665

 

L:smileylol:L~!

 

A majority of the posts are speculations of what kind of anime Fox will put on, EVEN THOUGH, someone already explained why Fox wouldn't benefit off airing anime.

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