04-11-2012 08:43 PM
They won't really need to redo the block entirely for Toonami to work.
They could probably get by with maybe picking up Big O S1 and Outlaw Star (which they could probably get fairly easily/cheaply.
Then maybe something for a flagshippish Toonami show like DBZ. Possibly something for additional cycling like Hakusho.
But just that would give them a ton of flexibility, and identifiable Toonami lineup, the ability to adequately test the waters, and even the ability to cover expansion.
DBZ could be a lead, Big O and Outlaw Star could beef up the overnight cycle. Hakusho and Inu would make a good pair to round out the block.
It even gives them room for a weeknight hour if they wanted it. Bleach (from ep 1) with one other show that could cycle, maybe something that's not currently running on Saturdays.
But even just a few shows could possibly give them what they need.
Of course, as a fan, there are about 1000 shows I'd like to see on AS/Toonami. But I think they could have themselves a pretty good/solid Toonami revival and still not have to pick up a ton of new shows to do it.
04-11-2012 08:49 PM
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TBS gets what it wants. They aired Hangover TV-14 DLS & I think they could fit everything in [as] under TV-14 DLSV. [as] uses TV-MA as more of a blanket. It's not really justified & doesn't compare to anything TV-MA on other networks. If TBS wanted RC or any of the other 15 min slot shows that wouldn't prevent them from getting it. TBS doesn't have to wait for syndication sales to get shows from other Turner companies.
I do recall reading those international sales, but there's been little to no press since. I would think if the deals were renewed or the ratings were strong there would have been some PR.
I think the 15 min slot is going to be a major hurdle when they do qualify for synd as well.
04-11-2012 09:10 PM
Depending on when they launch it, DRR and Kekkaishi may already be gone. I don't imagine either is considered worth keeping. Maybe DRR will get a late slot if they consider it worth airing again but if the contract is for 2 years then DRR can take a break. Kekkaishi probably does not have longer than a 2 year contract but AS may be able to finish the current run before they drop it. Time will tell.
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With Kai airing on Nicktoons, Z could be...problematic ongoing.
I still feel like any Toonami block should be a fresh start. It should be a new beginning for the block, and new shows, different from your Kekkaishis and Durararas is the best way of saying "We're back."
04-11-2012 10:35 PM - edited 04-11-2012 10:39 PM
04-12-2012 01:32 AM - edited 04-12-2012 02:00 AM
Not sure why you're suggesting new content for 3AM on a Saturday. Who is going to sign up for that?
Cherry picking episodes works for episodic shows particularly comedies like Shin Chan or SGT Frog but a show with a fair amount of continuity or one of a serial nature is agonizing to watch as just a "best of". Toonami tried that crap with MAR and The Prince of Tennis and found people were instantly confused and ended up going back to play them from the beginning.
I do think a showcase might be a good event type program. Say they get one night uses of 4-5 shows for one month. Each airs their first episode or an early episode that wont confuse the living daylights out of someone like showing the last episode of that Tenchi OVA on 4/1. They would play an ad for the show's upcoming or existing DVD release and let people vote on which one to keep airing full time like Toonami once did with their "Power to the People" votes to bring back fan favorites for a while.
Doing a "best of DBZ" might work because people are actually familiar with the material but I would not recommend that over simply running the Buu saga in order as that is where Nicktoons left off with DBZ Kai because the Buu saga was not included in DBZ Kai. They would basically be starting where the 4/1 episode left off. The reason I say that is because they're not going to take the time or money to trim down the existing episodes (that's what Kai was for) so doing a highlights run gets a bit tricky with some fights taking multiple episodes. They could do it and maybe they will but I'd rather see them just run DBZ normally and see how that does before resorting to cherry picking episodes.
Not so related to that I decided to check on Adult Swim's status early in April and it looks pretty darn good
Still #3 with 18-34 in prime time and #7 with 18-49 in prime time and claiming #1 in total day for both demos as well as #3 for total day and total viewers.
Say what you will about Turner's lack of synergy but they have 3 networks in the top 10 for prime time for both 18-34 and 18-49 and 4 networks for those demos in total day. Cartoon Network is #4 with total viewers (not far behind AS) #6 with 18-34 and #10 with 18-49.
They can do better no doubt but it's surprising what they've accomplished with quite frankly very little effort compared to the early 2000s when promotion and marketing was king for Turner. It's kind of disheartening to see their laziness rewarded but they got lucky with some syndicated hits and original series that draw a crowd.
04-12-2012 07:08 PM
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04-12-2012 09:43 PM
You definitely want FG as the lead for any action-comedy & FG has to air at 11P & 2 or 2:30A so that doesn't provide many slots. After FG in the ON is probably the safest.
A more ambitious schedule would be this:
FG 11P, RC 11:30-11:45P, 11:45-12:15 action-comedy
Here RC is catching the hit vs SNL opening. It has nothing to prove on Sat. Viewers channel surfing during SNL's 1st break will catch RC's back end. You promo the action-comedy during FG & the time is close enough to where those viewers are likely to stay awake to watch.
12:15-12:45 Bleach, 12:45-1A RC, 1A IY:TFA,
1:30-2:30A other anime
2:30-5A repeat of the 11P-1:30A shows FG-IY:TFA
5-6A vintage anime
As for cherry picking ep, you saw the strength on 4/1 & there was no continuity with anything going on. I think NT & the CW are cherry picking ep w DBZ Kai now. Continuity is just not that imporant any more because viewers can go to the net to watch the ep they miss on TV.
Cherry picking with anime definitely incl's ep 1. That's usually amongst the best ep for any series. From there it's about punting ep that have too much drama. Drrr is a good example. Keep all the ep that feature the guy with herculean strength.
Punt the ones that are mostly talk & feature little to no action.
During the show the distributor gets a few secs here & there of promo time so fans know where to go on the net to watch the show in it's entirety.
04-13-2012 11:49 AM - edited 04-13-2012 12:39 PM
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04-14-2012 10:48 PM
We will never get anything good.
04-14-2012 11:14 PM
See here's the funny thing about that post. It's rather out of date.
Now there are comedies that lose to anime. Go figure. Shows how far original comedy has sunk in recent years. Which is really too bad because I like quite a few of those comedies that don't do particularly well.
04-14-2012 11:22 PM
The ratings statements are out of date.
The shows they will get vs the ones they will not are still accurate.
Hence, we will never get anything good.
04-15-2012 01:27 AM - edited 04-15-2012 01:37 AM
Live action on Saturday is doing about as bad or worse than it did on Sunday prime time against FOX
0.34 for Family Guy with 18-49 946,000 viewers and that's less than out of the blue Dragon Ball Z on 4/1 (the week before was 0.46)
0.29 for Childrens with 18-49 (the week before got 0.19)
0.28 for Loiter Squad with 18-49 (the week before got 0.18)
0.22 for NTSF with 18-49 (it was not listed the week before)
Actually King of the Hill with 0.43 at 9PM (the week before got 0.22)
Brule's encore was not listed and I'm guessing it only got around 0.15 or something.
The first Bay Transformers movie got 0.54 with 18-49 and 1,901,000 and that's the average of about 2 hours and 45 minutes
Johnny Test after the movie got 0.23 with 18-49 which isn't surprising and Transformers was surely the reason why King of the Hill beat Family Guy that night.
It makes you wonder how well an action show would have done following Transformers. It's all but assured anything with action would have done better than KotH in that slot.
That's the second bad week for Family Guy in a row and the live action encores and reruns are not panning out. Maybe just maybe the first two hours are within Toonami's reach. I mean even reruns of InuYasha can probably get at least 0.3 at 9PM, so why really... why not try it? Family Guy will do better at 11PM anyway.
04-15-2012 02:11 PM
04-15-2012 06:56 PM
04-15-2012 07:04 PM
Which is fine if you want to do specials, but now the friends of their friends?
It feels like Adult Swim is hanging out with this jerk no one really likes just because he knows this really hot girl.
Back on topic, Brule is not the answer to Saturday ratings.
04-15-2012 10:33 PM
Well, during it's weekday run recently, it got around a 0.9 which is pretty good ratings. So I would say Tim and Eric had the ratings/budget/fanbase to justify their five seasons.
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