General Adult Swim Discussion

[Jeffchao228]

Well looks like this is the first time that Saturday nearly gets the "Sucker" as in the Road Riot Games would put, this is surely something I never throught of seeing, reason the whole lineup got changed, and Family Guy at #3 means I would suppose they would move the Repeat New episodes from Sundays to Saturday if it came to this thought, but I guess anything at the 0.4 was enough to be decient, but then again it was the 2 shows that got pulled for something new, or for a show replacement.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

This Sat could be worse. Avenger's is approaching $800M WW, so a better than $100M weekend is possible & Depp & Burton have a lengthy history of appealing to [as] Nielsen viewers as well. Dark Shadows will have an impact. TV wise the deck is stacked against comedy: FX"s Louis CK, Louie, & Wlifred, CC's Virgin & Jackass 2, USA's It's Complicated & He's Just Not That Into You, TBS's Yes Man & #### & Jane, FAM's Legally Blonde, & of course SNL. KotH will have Gumball for it's lead. Following KotH are Del, EH, LS, & FG. An hr of Boon leads Bleach. Starting Sat 6am, SyFy's Chiller is 24 hrs of Dark Shadows.

[comedyswimfan089]

True.  But that's why I think Looney Tunes at 6am is still around to this day.  Because you've got some adults fresh from sleep watching the late King of the Hill and this before going to work, as well as kids getting up and ready for school.  Plus it's a better transition from [adult swim] where you don't see ratings dive for an hour while the adults flip to another channel and the kids start to wake up. 

Nor do I think [adult swim] needs to bring in shows like He-Man (which already airs on another channel) or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.  Especially since there are classics from the 2001-2005 years that get hardly any air time on the network. 

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Last weekend the total BO passed $258M. Avengers figures to come close to or just over $100M. The other hold-overs figure to do at least $30M, so it comes down to Dark Shadows. A sub-par $30M opening will bring the BO close to when the Lorax opened in the 1st wk of Mar. I think it's going to surprise. It's $150M budget film & they are both coming off a big hit in Alice & Wonderland. If it surprises it's likely to be the 3rd biggest BO weekend so far this yr. The 2nd biggest was the 2nd weekend in Feb when 4 new openings totaled $140M & the total BO was $191M. I don't see Dark Shadows surprising to that degree, but given that the TV lineup is already stacked vs comedy it could be a bleak night. Still I will be surprised if at least Boon & Bleach can't at least get to 900K.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

http://sonofthebronx.blogspot.com/2012/03/adult-swim-ratings-febr
uary-27-march-4.html Bleach did no worse against the Avengers than it did against the Lorax. This is why the Nielsen rating means a lot more than TV's. On both weekends Bleach did 0.6 & upheld the rating from it's lead. Bleach did 846K vs the Lorax & 726K vs the Avengers so roughly speaking there were 16-17% more people watching TV on the first Sat of Mar than there were for the first Sat of May. Against the Lorax, from 2:30am on [as] did a 0.2. Against the Avengers, from 2:30am on [as] did a 0.3. Against the Lorax, Kekk did a 0.3, & against the Avengers it did a 0.4. So there was an Avengers bounce but it came later. That's not surprising given that the Avengers avg'd 2.5 times as much $ per theater as the Lorax did. It wasn't a question of hrly show times for the Avengers, but rather 1/2 hr show times. If Action gets another Avengers/Dark Shadows bounce this weekend it should occur sooner.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

If FRACTALE turns out to be true, then I applaud Kimma's choice. Given that FUNI just announced the English cast about 2 wks ago, it's hard to rule out [as] as a main factor in their decision to dub it. It already has near 1200 votes & a rating of very good at ANN. Let's see how many votes it picks up just off or rumors from this point on.

[Jeebus201]

If Fractle is true, it just shows Kimma's continued incompetence and blunt stupidity. If we can't get an all comedy block, can we at least fire her?!

Kids shows. Worthless kids shows like the one they're cancelling.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

I don't think you understand how to read the ratings. The P2+ is meaningless for a network of [as] stature. They are attracting sponsors for their Nielsen 18+ demog's. We only have access to the HH Nielsen rating, but we could do some approx for the 18+ demog's by applying ratios of the weekly avg's. Still what does the HH Nielsen rating tell us? What % of tv's at that time were tuned into [as]. The Nielsen rating is the equalizer between Sun night's TV population being more than twice the size of Sat's. No comedy did better than 0.6 on Sat. Kimma's recent choice of anime did no worse than 0.4. Four recent comedies did worse than that. A recent comedy that did 1.2 on Sun lost to IY in the graveyard shift on Sat. There is ZERO justification then for an all comedy block! It's fine to question Kimma's choices but suggesting an all comedy block is just stupid.

[Jeebus201]

There is every reason to make the block all comedy. Let's start with the obvious, that except for Check it Out (which is cancel-proof) the least watched shows are almost exclusively anime.

Not to mention, Kim is flat out terrible at picking shows to generate any interest in the block, and Fractale would be another ride on board the Fail Train. Let's face it people, if anime was doing that well, it wouldn't be airing after hours on a Saturday night!

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Kimma is deserving of criticism because by now she should know what works best with [as] viewers is perverted comedy. IY gets it's perversion in just about every ep with the perverted monk. Bleach gets it mostly from the girls in the show. Even Big O has a perverted side to R Smith. Drrr can't help but stumble over big boob stares & comments. The show that is the oddest fit is Kekk & I agree that it could easily be a kids show. Nick could air it right after Korra & it would probably do well in the ratings then. It gets no more sexist than Korra does. .... This is where I am at odds with Kimma. Why did she choose Kekk when Kenichi The Mightiest Disciple is about the same length & a much better fit for [as]? K:TMD has been seen by nearly 2900 users at ANN & has a rating of 8.34 amongst users who have seen all 50 ep. Kekk even after being aided by [as] hasn't been seen by 2300 users at ANN & has a rating of 7.93 amongst those who've seen it all.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

"Least watched?" There are obviously FAR less people watching TV on early Sun morning than there are Sat PT. That's why a P2+ comparison between the two time periods is nothing short of stupid. When you act like this it's best to ignore you.

[Jeebus201]

That's what I said. You don't get a timeslot that bad unless your prospects are limited at best.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Nonsense. Inuyasha pulled over 650K in 18-34 on a weeknight at a midnight slot in 2006. There should be no doubt that Bleach, FMA, Drrr, & Kekk would have beaten KotH-LS in those slots. They aren't given the chance because of the comedy bias at [as]. It has nothing to do with performance. Likewise KotH-LS are likely to do worse in those later Sat time slots. We've been looking at FG encores through the rest of the week & assume it can do better in 2am than the anime, but now we've seen just how quickly it can fall in PT on Sat night so maybe encoring it at 2am doesn't make a lot of sense. Again, [as] is not as dumb as you think they are.

[Xelrog_T_Apocalypse]

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_hack-SIGN_John wrote:
Last weekend the total BO passed $258M.

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Sounds like big business for Old Spice.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

I want Kimma gone as much as you, maybe even more so, but an all comedy block has nothing to do with that. When FOX shows demonstrate the kind of weakness we've been seeing on Sat PT it's a big NO to comedy for the night. And we all know Boon is as much Action as it is comedy & since it's drawn in an anime style it's more Action than comedy. So Boon is always welcome to the night. That being said, I want Kimma gone because she has failed to show the anime's that are mostly likely to beat Sun's originals in Nielsen ratings. The list includes: Kenichi:tMD. This anime has everything to draw the both the loyal & casual Nielsen anime fan. ... Ikki Tousen: a darker less comedic Kenichi type show. ... Ranma 1/2 : I'm tired of the excuses, this belongs in the classic section at [as]! ... Sekirei, Rosario + Vampire, Inukami, Steel Angel Kurumi, Linebarrels of Iron, Bakemonogatari, Kurenai, YYH, Mahoromatic, Star Driver, Kamisama Dolls, Demon King Daimao, Katanagatari, Macross Frontier, Slayers Next, Iga no Kabamaru, Kenshin, Hayate the Combat Butler!, D.Gray-man, Baccano, Gintama, Full Metal Panic, Soul Eater, City Hunter, Tiger & Bunny, Tegami Bachi Reverse, Shonen Onmyouji, Utawarerumono, Shikabane Hime, Gunbuster, Blue Exorcist, Lupin III since 2000, Strike Witches, Tantei Gakuen Q, Sexy Commando Gaiden, Sgt Frog, Kaze no Stigma, Third: The Girl with the Blue Eye, Level E, Law of Ueki, Fresh Pretty Cure, Excel Saga, Black Cat, Buso Renkin, Nabari no Ou, Pumpkin Scissors, Gunsmith Cats, Witchblade, Peacemaker, & Ninja Nonsense. Now obviously she can't air them all, but she has plenty to choose from amongst that list. Anything really strong in action & comedy should be capable of routinely beating comedy on Sat nights.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

If it were up to me I would be getting in on the Lupin III revival now. [as] aired some Lupin III from the 1970's. There has been dozens of Lupin III stuff since. If you just go back to 2000 there have been 16 Lupin III specials & now there is a new Lupin III series this yr titled Lupin III: The Woman Called Fujiko Mine. Do you seriously believe modern Lupin III will fail on [as]? Kimma could go after the specials now including the Live-action film keeping the space warm for the arrival of the new Lupin III series some time next yr. ... Because she makes choices ignorant of who [as] Nielsen viewers are is the main reason I want her gone. She's programming [as] ACTN as if it were her own pet indifferent to what the rest of [as] is.

[itsacoaster]

There is too much nudity on Lupin III: Fujiko Mine to air on AS. Standards would have to hack it to bits.

It's honestly not as fit for Adult Swim as 1970s Lupin was. It has a much more serious tone.

[Jeebus201]

FX could pull it off. But they're not FX.

[Jeebus201]

As I've noted before, I expect the action block to die before Kimma is fired. Would I prefer Kim be fired and the anime aired actually be good, adult, etc? Of course. Do I expect that? No way. Given the choice between a Kim run action block and an all comedy block, all comedy wins hands down.

[Sketchor]

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_hack-SIGN_John wrote:
I'm kind of surprised as FRACTALE & Magika are both avail at Croll & Hulu. If Kimma's choice takes precedence over ratings then why doesn't she tailor her choice to something not avail legally online?

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And that would be what exactly? In order to deter piracy pretty much every anime that will get dubbed will stream subbed before the dub would be ready for broadcast. They may end up taking them off if a TV deal occurs but simulcasting is the anime trend.

If AS wants to have exclusivity to any anime they have to steak their claim very early and much ealier than they normally do.

FUNimation never streamed Kai seemingly because they were rushing it to TV.

[Sketchor]

I finished Madoka. That ending was freak'n bizarre, even more so than the rest of the show.

Also, I'm not nearly as impressed as I thought I would be. It was interesting enough to see and had some unique concepts but I did not find it all that compelling in the end and it felt rather slow for 12 episodes despite some very nice action sequences. Not only do I not recommend it for AS, I don't recommend it in general. Though it may be enjoyable to people who have never seen a magical girl show and has it's good points it feels to me like it did not come close to meeting its' potential.

[ALchemist81]

This just in!

http://schedule.adultswim.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=AS&t
heDate=5/26/12&timeZone=EST

The plot thickens...

[Sketchor]

This time Adult Swim's saying "no peeking".

I think I heard the upfront is on May 16th so they'll probably announce whatever they got in the press release for the upfront (not actually at the show of course they're too busy having a party).

[Sketchor]

In case it was not entirely clear before, Cleveland Show isn't coming until Fall of 2013.

And it may also get cancelled after 4 seasons.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/fox-renews-family-guy-american-da
d-postpones-decision-on-the-clevela...

Family Guy and American Dad keep on truck'n.

[Jeffchao228]

Well also The Venture Brothers has been in that same catergory too, but recently it is looking like it is on it's demise because of a lack of viewers, the viewers to VB now compare to what Bleach is getting viewership wise, we have not even been hearing any reports of a new season of VB as of late and it concerns me they may have canceled it because of viewership issues, more like stealing away candy from a baby, because VB also works pretty good on a Saturday.