General Adult Swim Discussion

[funky_branca]

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JMan1333 wrote:
ive never seen the show but its a failure bc it seems remotely like another show that isnt doing up to my standards in ratings

im mad cool yall

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let's wait until ratings reports to make judgements on what's a failure and what's not bud

[JMan1333]

Well I don't watch AM Raw because I watch the actual Raw.

And the setups about super prisons are the same.

But hey, I want an all comedy block at this point so maybe continued failures are a good thing.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Xelrog_T_Apocalypse wrote:If I were a parent, my kids would know all of the words society calls "swears"--and probably several sexual positions--by the time they were five.



You have enlightened me further to the extent of both your intelligence and ignorance as a human being. You have removed any doubt to just how extreme your radical left views are on social & economic issues. If you were to share such a view with any concerned parents group, the words "sex offender", "pedophile", "molester", "physical abuse", & "emotional abuse" would surely enter their minds.

[LUNI_TUNZ]

Nobody watches AM Raw, everybody still knew it was only an hour. And "magical super prison" is pretty vague.

[SwimMod_Luuv]

I been kinda nostalgic lately so I tried to watch WWE again.  Like I watched WWE and TNA a few weeks back and WWE was SO BORING I couldn't even believe it.  I was just like "holy crap this sucks"  The matches weren't entertaining, they were all just boring little bumps with no real buildup or anything. 

TNA seemed much more on the ball.  They had a lot more actual stunts in the matches, more going on story-wise.  Just more going on.

I was actually amazed at what a snoozefest WWE was.

So I've been catching TNA here and there - actually I think I've caught it for the past few weeks. 

My favorite period obviously was that Bischoff/WCW/WWE looting period where everybody was throwing giant stacks of money around and it was just nuts with people jumping companies and the NWA and all that.  ECW was off in their corner doing their thing.  That was a blast.

[SwimMod_Luuv]

don't flame.

What's ridiculous about this post is, you seem to go out of your way to chose intelligent sounding words, yet honestly how many times do we have to tell you not to flame people?  Because you seem to be having a problem grasping that, and it really is a super super simple concept.

Just stop doing it.  It's not hard.

Keep your points topical.  There is no need to get personal.  You're really good with your topical posts, I've seen it.  And I know you can disagree with people without insulting them, because you and I disagree all the time and I don't have any problems with you, and we seem to manage to agree still on some stuff and still have a relatively good time in the thread.

[LUNI_TUNZ]

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SwimMod_Luuv wrote:

TNA

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My condolences.

[LUNI_TUNZ]

OK, WWE has lots of problems, like it has this weird thing were they can only seemingly do one or two stories at a time, and the rest is "whatever" - in the case of divas, none. Who's the Divas champ? If I only watched Raw and Smackdown this week, I couldn't tell you - I tend to watch/stop watching TNA, they must be in one of those "broken clock is right" situations.

I always seem to watch when the clock is wrong thee days.

Also, for some reason no one knows, WWE is trying to build a feud with Ryback and Jinder Mahal, and the world ended.

[JMan1333]

Raw, especially in its current three hour incarnation, is really a show that requires the use of the fast forward button, rather liberally at that.

TNA has Austin Aires, so that's a point to them. They're at their best when focused on simple "Guy A wants to wrestle Guy B" feuding instead of horrifically awful reality TV angles. I daresay Crackhead Claire is almost as bad as an episode of Casshern Sins.

[Jeffchao228]

Well then Luuv, you might want to check the Toonami forum, since there has been much of this same stuff too, I mean I want to see how good of the ratings Toonami gets, but some people can't understand that they say the ratings for Toonami are "A Flop", that is the usual answer Luuv, and it is starting to get to the point a conflict might happen, knowing that those from Anime News Network Forums and ToonZone Forums are bound to get involved with these issues, it is my understanding as long as the Midnight hour continue their ober 1 Million Viewers, then Toonami gets the money from that to expand although a bit slow and steady method.

[JMan1333]

Um, there have been several weeks with totals well below 1 million.

[ALchemist81]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm afraid Jeebs is right. There have only been 4 weeks out of 10 in which the 12 AM hour (Bleach+Deadman) average has been over 1 million: Weeks 2, 4, 5, and 9.

Hopefully week 11 will join them, as this week's Bleach did have a nice "hook" right at the beginning, and was fairly intriguing throughout, but we would need an over 214k increase average between the two shows for that to happen, and with the Olympics bearing down and such, that's probably not possible.

However, I would expect a SLIGHT increase from Week 10's summer nadir, just not enough to pull the midnight hour over 1 million on average.

[SwimMod_Luuv]

yeah, the thing about the ratings threads too is they often lack a realistic context, though many of the posters are really good about posting a lot of comparative data.

It's not wrong to say the last ratings numbers we got were down.  But it's also fair to say that they could have definitely slipped further than they did due to the Olympics etc.

A fair comparison would be, and I don't have time, but maybe somebody else would be interested in digging it up, the Saturday numbers from the Olympics 4 years ago.

I'm speculating, but my guess is this year's numbers were better than those.

And again, fairly stable throughout the night.  The Saturday ratings have been known to fall to quite dismal lows after 2am, but the Toonami block manages to stabilize that at a higher ratings level, with less general loss than the block previously knew.

So, numbers were lower, as I'm sure most must have expected.  They weren't by any measure particularly dismal given the Olympics events/coverage. 

It'll be interesting to see how Samurai 7 works out for the block with the Olympics winding down at the same time.  Makes me wonder, and again, I'm a fan of the quicker cycle, so I'm not criticizing, but it makes me wonder if hanging on to DWL for a 2nd run would have been a good idea.

We'll see.  I think Samurai 7 has some mainstream appeal.  It'll be interesting to see if it can hook into DWL numbers, Bleach numbers, and dip into that post-Olympic audience.

[SwimMod_Luuv]

I think the "ratings scares" are ridiculous. It's actually been pretty rare to have any action show on Saturday hit the mil mark.  To have two hovering right around there, with a third not too far behind, is actually pretty damn good for Saturdays.

I remember bumps where they were saying they'd celebrate if any action show hit over the 500k mark, with shows dropping as low as 100-200k.  Jokingly saying they'd pick up Berserk if anything hit over 1mil (presumably because it could never happen in a gjillion years).

Lately the whole block hovers around 300-400k, with the peaks hovering around a mil a significant amount of the time.

so, you know, context ppl. 

[JMan1333]

They meant 18-34, not totals.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Again the ratings have to be put into perspective because the rankings matter more to sponsors than the #'s themselves. WWE AM Raw (2a) 063012 523k tv's 0.18 18-49 vs Wk 072812 335k tv's 0.10 18-49. Nothing on Sat can be expected to take any less of a hit than WWE AM Raw on USA. They ([as] & advertisers) knew the Olympics were coming so success/failure has to be measured with respect to those expectations. When DeMarco says TOONAMI is ok, he means ratings are meeting expectations. When the Olympics clear out, & Sat returns to the level of competition comparable with last yr we'll get a much better idea of what TOONAMI is really doing then.

One thing that has changed from this yr vs last yr is the signal. Last yr you could record the shows on a VCR & now you can't. If college campuses reflect the majority of homes, then less than 1/2 of the LPM's set up there have DVRs. That could severely impact Sat ratings. I believe this signal change is a recent one. I think it was more of a Turner change than strictly CN/[as] & I'm wondering if they will consider switching back if ratings are hurt by it.

[Xelrog_T_Apocalypse]

Funny how you picked out the one thing that had less than nothing to do with the argument I was making.

[Xelrog_T_Apocalypse]

Those were 18-34 ratings. It's a shame we haven't been getting those and only have totals to go on of late.

[JMan1333]

Agrees.

Still, there has to be a point where Ted from Accounting shows up and asks "why are we still putting money into ASA/Toonami when none of the shows make money?". I'm still amazed they don't ever learn.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

Su 080512 The Olympics avg'd 34m tv's so 18-49/tv's: FG 0.9/2410, BD 0.7/1649 is not too bad. Any suggestion that ACTN/TOONAMI is not profitable is foolish. [as] pays far less for the anime than they spend on their original productions & back in 2005 it was written that anime's retention of viewers in ad space far exceeded [as] avg. That is probably the best explanation for why sponsor support remains strong. Ranking wise, FmB & Kek were reported in Dec as ranking #1 in m18-34 for 12:30 to 1:30a & both DW & CS achieved that at least a few wks this May-Jun. The general premise of animated action/anime on Sat night has been proven over the last 10 yrs. That should be considered unquestionable. Choices like Drrr & CS that are not likely to see 2 completed runs are very questionable. Regardless of what any one thinks in terms of how tasteful a show is for ACTN/TOONAMI, the likelihood of 2 completed runs should matter the most in the decision.

Wrt to Black Dynamite, I'm losing faith. I think the idea of featuring celebs from that era is smart, but demonzing those celebs was not. I think Black Dynamite would be doing much better in the ratings if he were teaming up with those celebs. The show has no clear sense of good vs evil like Venture Bros does & I think that's hurting it. There were plenty of infamous bad guys of that era to choose from so it's not like they were lacking for material. The ratings are strong enough to where a 2nd season should be a lock now so hopefully they are learning from their mistakes.

[Xelrog_T_Apocalypse]

While it would by no means be justification to keep anime around if this were the only thing it had going for it, there's also the matter of everything else doing historically worse on Saturday nights... which, again, comes back to the "core anime audience" that's come up a few times. The biggest difference between ASA and the rest of the block is that ASA has a stronger dedicated audience tuning in on a regular basis, but the comedy is better at attracting viewers who stumble into it, and in greater numbers.

Though, to be fair, comedy hasn't had much of a chance after midnight on Saturdays. There was the very brief all-comedy block that didn't get any real advertisement, and then there was Brak and Rising Son at 5 a.m. which were pretty much doomed from the start due to... well, being at 5 a.m. In any case, Saturday's a relatively dead night of the week, and advertisers are probably the biggest factor in gauging its success.

[_hack-SIGN_John]

RATINGSRATINGSRATINGS Wkly 080712 FG,AD,RC,BD, & Sqds = 30/T50 in 18-34. BD & ASYKW #1 in 18-34, 18-49, & 18-24. Squid #1 in 18-24. Male viewers grew 3-39% vs last yr. A 30/T50 vs the Olympics is impressive espec since I've seen that mark fall as low as 13/T50.

[katt_goddess]

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Xelrog_T_Apocalypse wrote:

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Though, to be fair, comedy hasn't had much of a chance after midnight on Saturdays. There was the very brief all-comedy block that didn't get any real advertisement, and then there was Brak and Rising Son at 5 a.m. which were pretty much doomed from the start due to... well, being at 5 a.m. In any case, Saturday's a relatively dead night of the week, and advertisers are probably the biggest factor in gauging its success.

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Are you refering to the so-called 'No Suck Saturdays' disaster where they kept Bleach then filled the rest of the night with Sunday reheats and at the tail-end of the first run tossed on another anime before ending with yet another comedy? Because they pimped the hell out of that craptastic experiment [hence the whole 'No Suck Saturday' slogan] and it failed craptastically. The core Saturday fans tuned in for Bleach [if they remembered to] and then turned the channel when it was over, often forgetting to turn back for that last little piece of anime. And sadly, I'm forgetting what that final anime was specfically because I was one of those that would watch Bleach and then go watch the rest of SNL and then get involved in some other show so I kept missing episodes. I think it was the first FullMetal Alchemist series. I remember being frustrated as all hell though.

[Sketchor]

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katt_goddess wrote:

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Xelrog_T_Apocalypse wrote:

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Though, to be fair, comedy hasn't had much of a chance after midnight on Saturdays. There was the very brief all-comedy block that didn't get any real advertisement, and then there was Brak and Rising Son at 5 a.m. which were pretty much doomed from the start due to... well, being at 5 a.m. In any case, Saturday's a relatively dead night of the week, and advertisers are probably the biggest factor in gauging its success.

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Are you refering to the so-called 'No Suck Saturdays' disaster where they kept Bleach then filled the rest of the night with Sunday reheats and at the tail-end of the first run tossed on another anime before ending with yet another comedy? Because they pimped the hell out of that craptastic experiment [hence the whole 'No Suck Saturday' slogan] and it failed craptastically. The core Saturday fans tuned in for Bleach [if they remembered to] and then turned the channel when it was over, often forgetting to turn back for that last little piece of anime. And sadly, I'm forgetting what that final anime was specfically because I was one of those that would watch Bleach and then go watch the rest of SNL and then get involved in some other show so I kept missing episodes. I think it was the first FullMetal Alchemist series. I remember being frustrated as all hell though.

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The schedule was this

11:00 PM - Bleach (might have been new episodes, might have been reruns)

11:30 PM - Fullmetal Alchemist (the first series)

12:00 AM - 5:00 AM - Comedy

5:00 AM - Code Geass (premieres)

5:30 AM - Moribito (premieres)

With as bad as Code Geass and Moribito did you can't hardly blame them for trying something else on Saturday when it was getting critical lows. Amusingly the comedy did not do well either so it wasn't that long before they gave anime back 1AM-5AM letting comedy have the first part of the block again and eventually action earned back the Midnight hour and it's held on to 12AM-6AM pretty much ever since baring pre-emptions and stuff like an early morning stealth premiere for a comedy.

[Poke_Nirvash]

Ah, yes. That scheduling d*ck move. I remember when it was still airing; I recorded all of it, because I actually watch the anime. Bleach was premiering.

Oh, and that lineup wasn't called "Not Sucking Saturdays", no matter how much it felt more deserving of that wrongful title. The real "Not Sucking Saturdays" was back when they dropped Lupin from the lineup after four episodes and played comedy at the start and end of the block, leaving only one and a half hours for anime.