05-10-2012 01:14 AM
What are the general rules the S&P's set for Adult Swim? E.g. what kind of stuff can they get away with in terms of: violence, language, sexual material/nudity. Other things can also be included to the list like subject matter. Oh, and one more thing to take into consideration is the fact that the S&P's have different expectations for the anime and comedy programming.
These are just my generalizations of the S&P's:
The profanity is still inhibited. AS got away with slipping the f-bomb a couple of times, but that's it. S-Bombs and other naughty words are uncensored. Racial slurs, however, are not uncensored.
Boobs, va-jay-jay's, and wieners are still blurred out to comply with the FCC's standards on basic cable. However, they can get away with bare ####, which is a good thing because I'm an ass-man.
Violence is relatively unleashed. Ironically, the comedy programming can get away with extreme violence while the action (anime) programming is restricted with some scenes. Hopefully, this will change, seeing as how the action block will go nowhere if it's restricted to tame shounen.
Reply to BoanThugsInHarmony - Message ID#: 64821970
05-10-2012 12:06 PM
Standards and practices are the same across all changes. It's mostly time slots that can change things, as supposedly during the later slots children are in bed and only adults are watching.
Sex is right out. Brendon Small and Jon Schnepp have both said that they got more remarks about the sex/nudity in Metalocalypse than the violence. Example is during "Dethwater" and the Thunderhorse video- they beheaded band members, shot with a fire arrow and burned, and sliced Skwisgaar in half- anatomically correct by the way- but the censors got on their case about the Skwisgaar/female sex part of the video. The violence was okay.
Reply to BoanThugsInHarmony - Message ID#: 64821970
05-10-2012 12:11 PM
Reply to Xelrog_T_Apocalypse - Message ID#: 64824558
05-10-2012 10:56 PM
Come to think of it, when have they ever gotten away with the S-Bomb?
Reply to holkimcardie1 - Message ID#: 64824512
05-10-2012 11:24 PM
Sex is easily the bigger hot button. Which is why Adult Swim doesn't get fanservice heavy cartoons. The sex in Family Guy and Robot Chicken is probably about as far as they want to push that line. Holkimcardie1 brought up a good example for Metalocalypse.
Violence on the other hand can get to ridiculous levels and pass a TV-MA and sometimes even TV-14-V.
The other one that might be a problem is fecal matter. Characters can vomit up the whazoo and they can also take massive dumps as long as you don't see a lot of the actual fecal matter but otherwise monkies throwing crap is what we've seen so far regarding fecal matter. In comparsion I recall an episode of South Park showing a teacher with runs so bad that they propelled them into the air and made a mess all over.
Language is an odd thing. They muted instance of "Jesus" in "sweet zombie Jesus" on Futurama but that was a few years ago but off the top of my head I don't remember utterances of "Jesus" or "God" as an explitive but maybe I'm not paying enough attention. It seems like anything flies except S-bombs and F-bombs unbleeped. The only time they go unbleeped is when somebody bleeps up such as that recent episode of China, IL. Which would mean Archer would get quite a few more bleeps on Adult Swim but I think that would be the only difference. Maybe they'd have some qualms with the amount of sex or tastefully covered nudity. They say at least some racial slurs but maybe not all of them.
Those are the comedy standards more or less. Just from looking at the shows they air and how they air them it's easy to see why someone would assume the anime standards are stricter. Some words that might not be bleeped for a comedy may have been bleeped in Durarara, it's hard to tell. They generally avoid fanservice anime but they did have Code Geass and still have Bleach which have quite a bit of fanservice. That's probably their limit though and while I appreciate that they feel they don't need to air... smut, they are shooting themselves in the foot by not airing shows with more fanservice to keep the horny young adults interested. They can get away with a lot in violence as Trinity Blood, FMA: Brotherhood and Ghost in the Shell prove but maybe not the ultraviolence of Baccano where a boys hand is shredded by using the moment of the train pushing his hand against the train tracks, that same boy is shot point blank and is spalltered all over a room, some guy's face gets punched to a bloody pulp and other such violent scenes occur. I think they could pull it off with a disclaimer though. There are of course more violent shows that Baccano, they probably could not air Hellsing for instance. I'm not sure whether or not they could potentially run Deadman Wonderland given in the first episode all but one kid in an entire class is murdered violently. Violence towards children and women is a much bigger issue with the S&P than violence toward adults.
Adult Swim can probably push pretty far with violence in anime but some of the most violent anime are all the ones with a lot of partial nudity and other forms of fanservice and that takes them out of the running pretty quick, High School of the Dead comes to mind.
Reply to Jeebus201 - Message ID#: 64831250
05-10-2012 11:25 PM
Reply to Sketchor - Message ID#: 64831826
05-11-2012 12:26 AM
You also can't say the world "dick" meaning penis, but you can have characters say "dick" as an insult. Also the "a-hole" world used to be censored, but it seems to be loosened up now.
Reply to itsacoaster - Message ID#: 64831842
05-11-2012 01:06 PM
The S-bomb appears a few times throughout Ghost in the Shell. I know I've heard it uncensored there. I don't remember if it was muted in Paranoia Agent or not, but if anything, I think they're less strict about language in anime than in their comedies.
And violence kind of varies with how realistic it is, I think. There's nothing in Fullmetal or Hellsing that comes close to Ghost in the Shell in terms of the way it's presented, especially in the afforementioned Jungle Cruise episode. Baccano! was pretty realistic in its portrayal of blood and gore, but even that isn't as bad as some of the stuff they've gotten away with, I think. They could get past it with a disclaimer.
The big thing about violence has already been mentioned, though: They're much more strict about censoring it when it's in a serious situation (more common in anime storylines) than they are when it's in a comedy show.
Reply to Sketchor - Message ID#: 64831826
05-11-2012 01:37 PM
For the longest time, throw up had to be censored on any Turner property. TBS, TNT, TruTV, ADSM, etc. At least if you showed the detailed contents. TruTV made a deal about it when they actually show it uncensored a couple months ago on "World's Dumbest".
Reply to Sketchor - Message ID#: 64831826
05-11-2012 06:52 PM
Ah, but remember in Metalocalypse's "Dethgov", they had a pickup truck bust into a school room where Nathan had just been picked as class president. Ran over kids and the teacher. Blood all over the place. Granted it was quick cuts and they didn't linger over anything.
Reply to comedyswimfan089 - Message ID#: 64837420
05-11-2012 06:54 PM
comedyswimfan089 wrote:For the longest time, throw up had to be censored on any Turner property. TBS, TNT, TruTV, ADSM, etc. At least if you showed the detailed contents. TruTV made a deal about it when they actually show it uncensored a couple months ago on "World's Dumbest".
And it's uncensored on Family Guy. A few scenes based on it.
Reply to BoanThugsInHarmony - Message ID#: 64821970
05-12-2012 03:13 AM
Reply to Jeebus201 - Message ID#: 64831250
05-12-2012 01:35 PM
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Dave Says:
May 7th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Batman Begins suck is not even Bruce Wayne is Peter Peter parker. they take a formula and TDK is way overated movie. i don’t even se a gothic city, i see the movie Heat whit AL Pacino and Robert De Niro but whit a clown in black and a homless clow.
Reply to fireurstaff - Message ID#: 64845918
05-12-2012 01:53 PM
While Adult Swim/Williams Street may have a S&P person on the payroll, it's not who they have to please. It's the government and the FCC. Remember that song from Family Guy? And the folks who got on CBS's and the NFL's cases about the Janet Jackson wardrobe mishap? Them.
Most channels do have someone on staff that looks over and vets stuff for onair. But they are only there to make sure the channel doesn't get in trouble with the government. They don't make the rules, they only help enforce them. Otherwise the government would have to approve everything and we'd see nothing.
Reply to holkimcardie1 - Message ID#: 64840180
05-13-2012 10:35 AM
holkimcardie1 wrote:
comedyswimfan089 wrote:For the longest time, throw up had to be censored on any Turner property. TBS, TNT, TruTV, ADSM, etc. At least if you showed the detailed contents. TruTV made a deal about it when they actually show it uncensored a couple months ago on "World's Dumbest".
And it's uncensored on Family Guy. A few scenes based on it.
Well, that's uncensored but do they show the chunks or is it just brownish-gray spewing? Plus, I think with cartoons you can get away with a little more because of it's not real?
Not that it really matters. I personally don't need to see details of one's throw up. :\
Reply to BoanThugsInHarmony - Message ID#: 64821970
05-13-2012 11:55 AM
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Reply to holkimcardie1 - Message ID#: 64848010
05-13-2012 03:07 PM - edited 05-13-2012 03:08 PM
Cable networks are not beholden to the FCC for content-related issues. They are covering their own asses against bad PR and maybe lawsuits.
holkimcardie1 wrote:While Adult Swim/Williams Street may have a S&P person on the payroll, it's not who they have to please. It's the government and the FCC. Remember that song from Family Guy? And the folks who got on CBS's and the NFL's cases about the Janet Jackson wardrobe mishap? Them.
Reply to itsacoaster - Message ID#: 64857128
05-13-2012 04:32 PM - edited 05-13-2012 04:38 PM
Fix'd
itsacoaster wrote:Cable networks are not beholden to the FCC for content-related issues. They are covering their own asses to attract advertisers.
holkimcardie1 wrote:While Adult Swim/Williams Street may have a S&P person on the payroll, it's not who they have to please. It's the government and the FCC. Remember that song from Family Guy? And the folks who got on CBS's and the NFL's cases about the Janet Jackson wardrobe mishap? Them.
Over-the-air networks are another matter.
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Dave Says:
May 7th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Batman Begins suck is not even Bruce Wayne is Peter Peter parker. they take a formula and TDK is way overated movie. i don’t even se a gothic city, i see the movie Heat whit AL Pacino and Robert De Niro but whit a clown in black and a homless clow.
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05-13-2012 05:01 PM
Reply to LUNI_TUNZ - Message ID#: 64857618
05-20-2012 01:50 AM - edited 05-20-2012 01:50 AM
LUNI_TUNZ wrote:Fix'd
itsacoaster wrote:Cable networks are not beholden to the FCC for content-related issues. They are covering their own asses to attract advertisers.
holkimcardie1 wrote:While Adult Swim/Williams Street may have a S&P person on the payroll, it's not who they have to please. It's the government and the FCC. Remember that song from Family Guy? And the folks who got on CBS's and the NFL's cases about the Janet Jackson wardrobe mishap? Them.
Over-the-air networks are another matter.
Pretty much this.
You have to remember they share ad space with Cartoon Network, a kids channel. Too much adult content and angry parents may ask for CN to be removed from family tier packages, which would dramatically reduce the channel (and Adult Swim's) availability.
Reply to Jeebus201 - Message ID#: 64929440
05-20-2012 01:53 AM
CN is already off all the family packages I believe.
You can thank Adult Swim for that.
Reply to Sketchor - Message ID#: 64929490
05-20-2012 01:57 AM
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