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Site Changes

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Okay.  There's been a crapload of speculation about what changes are in store for both the site and the boards ever since Merrill and I started our daily Employee Blogs.  I'm going to tell you more about what's going to happen in the near future.

The Site:

It's very likely that we will lose the sidebar navigation.  We haven't finalized what the nav will be, but it will be different that those we've had in the past.

In general, the site look will evolve, not just jarringly redesign.  You've seen it already with the homepage.  But expect some steady evolution over time.

The Boards:

Here's what most of you guys have been waiting to hear about.  And I have to be honest, I'm about to lay some bombs on you.  None of these decisions were made lightly or without serious thought, so please don't think that we are changing things just to change them. 

The Rules:

In the future, we're going to be both more restrictive and less restrictive.  I can't talk about that too much, as we haven't formulated everything yet, but the main point is that things are going to change from a moderation perspective.  A change, I think, for the better.  But don't worry, we're not going fascist on you.

No more ranks.  Over the last two years we've learned that ranks provide very little in the way of an added board experience and encourage people to post, not with good post topics, but with little nothings intended only to increase rank.  People who deserve rank will distinguish themselves by their actions, not by statistics, and the positive effect will be the same. 

The folder structure is going to change.

There will be no Noise section.  No Babbling, No Incoherent Babbling, no Rants.  Instead there will be one General folder to encompass all non-Adult Swim discussion.  This wasn't an arbitrary decision, but one we must adhere to in order to accomplish our larger goals for the site.

This will be the new structure going forward:

Adult Swim
.com
Fan Reviews
User-Generated
Anime
Comedy
Show Suggestions
General
Insider Boards

Adult Swim
will be a general discussion of all things Adult Swim that are NOT shows.
.com will be a discussion of all site-related things, including games and technical issues.
Fan Reviews will be a place for fans to post reviews of shows.  A user can only post a thread there, not reply.  Other users will be able to rate each review.
User-Generated is the place for fan-made stuff.  You know, whatever.
Anime is the discussion of anime.
Comedy is discussion of comedy.
Show Suggestions is where you suggest shows for us to air.
General will be where everything else goes.  This will not just be Noise in one folder.  It will be a entirely different type of general discussion, the vast majority of which will not be nonsensical.
Insider Boards will be a category set aside for Insiders.  If they want one, we'll give an Insider their own board to rule as they wish, and to engender discussion of their shows.  We don't know if many (or any) will really want to take advantage of this, but we hope they will.

There is more to it, but this is all I can say right now.

I want to reiterate that this isn't a punishment to any folder that's being removed or the people in them.  It's just a decision we had to make for the future of the boards and where they need to be.  Things are definitely going to be different, but I encourage all of you not to see it negatively.  The boards are not just folder structures and rules.  These boards are much more about the people in them.  I hope you guys remember that as you go forward with these new changes in mind and try to think about reforging this community around those awesome people.

We don't know when these changes will happen.  But we're thinking some time in July.  We don't know yet for sure. 

 
 
 
 
At the risk of making the first post far too long, I am gonna edit some of the questions answered into this post for those who aren't reading all dozen pages. Hopefully Torrent doesn't mind
.....

 

Wow.  Okay.

There will be no rankings at all.  When I said that about people distinguishing themselves, I meant by their actions to other users, not that we would assign our "favorite users" ranks.

We are not changing board software.

Posts will not be deleted, but they will not be a part of the board proper.  Noise will be hidden from the view of regular posters.  No posts from Noise will moved into General discussion at first, because we want that board to develop a personality of its own and get people used to the new guidelines they will have to follow there.  A dedicated team of mods is determined to later move some key threads into General just so that they won't be lost and I'm okay with that. 

General discussion will NOT be Noise all merged together.  It will have to be its own thing, a new little animal for you guys to raise.  You have no idea how hard it was even getting a General folder approved, so I hope you guys will treat it well and make it something just as unique as Noise was. 

We can't call the section Noise, not if we need it to be somehow different than the current Noise mashed together.  Raven and I both think it's a little silly to try to give boards clever names when we would be better off just making it clear what the board was.

There will be no Archive.

Other Anime will now be discussed in the Anime section.  However, though we have yet to set these guidelines down, I think that a requirement of the board will be that posts be clearly delineated as AS or non-AS.  Maybe, I don't know yet.  It requires some thought.  As always, though, spoilers will have to be clearly marked. 

Many of you have asked why Noise had to go away.  I'll be frank with you.  If you've read our Employee Blogs recently you know what's happened, that control of the site has changed hands.  This decision is one result of that.  The main goal here is to make this a place where the average Adult Swim viewer can come and have a reasonable discussion about what he sees on TV.  As such we need to raise the bar a little on discussions.  Not that randomness can't happen, or that you have to have a degree to post here.  Any frequent IBer knows the difference between clever random and non-clever random.  One goal we had was to make the boards easier and friendlier to new users, and I think this new structure helps.  But it was the mods who pointed out to me that you can't just move things around and expect change in the way people post.  So I'm working together with them on new moderation strategies that will hopefuly allow you guys to be as creative as you want while improving the average quality of post.

And if users picking name colors is something I can do on these boards, I'm all for it, but I don't see that setting anywhere.  I'll look into it.

And SwimMedicalTeam: we couldn't put it to you guys directly.  You can't decide these sorts of things by committee.  We relied heavily on the advice of the moderators and even then it was hard to get everyone to agree on a good course of action.  With a committee of 500,000 it would have been impossible.  So we just had to work with what we had and do what we thought was best.

I hope this answers some of you.  I'll keep reading.


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Just when I was getting use to things.
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Oh man....

Well....I suppose it was fun while it lasted....You're going to have some people really upset in IB, Rants And Babbling, though I wonder, will you just be merging theose boards into one gigantic Superboard?

Or will all of the posts that everyone has made over the past few years just be done away with?

also something pressing on my mind, what will happen with our current usernames? will they be done away with or will it work in the same respect as the '05 re-register fiasco?

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...

I dont know why you guys dont realize this place doesnt need to be changed.

 

Maybe you will...when people complain and leave.

:smileyindifferent:

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Well I wonder if Action Disucssion will still be listed, that is what I am wondering, because apparently that would be bad if that were to be removed I guess.
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No ranks!?  IB kids to deal with?!  *emos out*
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SwimTorrent wrote:

There will be no Noise section. No Babbling, No Incoherent Babbling,
no Rants. Instead there will be one General folder to encompass all
non-Adult Swim discussion. This wasn't an arbitrary decision, but one
we must adhere to in order to accomplish our larger goals for the site.



Well... I just died inside. I guess I am not going to be coming back that often. Not just becuase those sections ar gone... but... wow... I am just in shock.

This makes me a sad panda.


Edit: Will post counts start over? Like clean slate?... Man... And will all old threads be unacessable? That is a lot of freaking memories you are toying with...


man...

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Names will stay the same.
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lol cool
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Well, I look forward to these changes. It'll be sad seeing IB leave though. :smileysad: Hopefully the site will be even greater though. :smileyhappy:
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o and i gotz a questshun rofl

Will people who are "worthy" of rank, keep their rank or what?

I gotz 2 no rofl
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Am I also thinking that there will be major posting deletions in the process of this board change, which in this case could cause a false start in the issue of the boards redesign and reset?
Since this is not much of a sig, I will say this, to anyone who wants to hate Toonami's Return or anything related to it without having to troll members of other message boards visiting the ASMB as well as the member here,

Want Adventure Time Discussions?

Head Over to quantized television psychotics, where if you are a big Fan and are the Righteous viewer, this show is perfect for you.

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No more ranks?

Okay I can deal with that, but I think that some people will leave the site cause of that.

But like you said it was though out, I can tell from the way you posted.

Also, are there still goiing to be colors in the names?

That is going to be boring with all white, or all gray :smileyindifferent:

Secondly on an after subject :

Duzitickle is going to be mad. She just ranked to Legend :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:

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Alright, but of coruse the problem is now if IB were to be gotten rid of, that would mean a full deletion of all posts except for long threads, would this be likely that long threads in IB(more then 2500 posts or more) would kept in the Swim Archive?
Since this is not much of a sig, I will say this, to anyone who wants to hate Toonami's Return or anything related to it without having to troll members of other message boards visiting the ASMB as well as the member here,

Want Adventure Time Discussions?

Head Over to quantized television psychotics, where if you are a big Fan and are the Righteous viewer, this show is perfect for you.

Also You are speaking to a member who is also a Proud Venture Brothers Fan, and will continue to do so, Go Team Venture!
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Odd...I made a thread yesterday about how AS could benefit from custom ranking.  I didn't expect all ranks to be thrown to the wind though.

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[I wonder if they realize they are changing everything that makes this board fun...and good to come to?]

 

:smileyindifferent:

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Thanks for clearing this up.

So you're going to combine Babbling/IB/Rants into one folder? That's crazy! I'm not challenging you but I'm surprised if it'll work out. Despite those three folders being encompassed by Noise, they are very different.

As for Anime and Comedy folders: Will AD be integrated with OA? Or is OA being dropped? I take it that S&H and VB will be strictly Comedy only.. The same goes for Korgoth.. I imagine FLCL will be discussed in Anime?

I like the idea of having the Insider boards.

I'm pretty weary of change (I'm guessing this is what the poll referred to) but I'll grow used to it slowly. I'm taking your word for it that it'll be for the better.
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Well actually I like what you guys are doing now that I think of it. You're drawing the focus away from the board and to the site. Which...really isn't that good right now, but I trust you guys will get that working. I gotta find a new board to socialize with people now...but I guess that'll take a lot of your uneccessary traffic away. Good job.

*packs bags to move to IGN forums*


EDIT: I Replied to the OP, clicked the wrong link.

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No ranks? I don't mind.
NO SIDEBAR?! NOOOOOO! I love that thing.

Question, will we lose all of our posts that we've made in noise?

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This upsets me... I was really excited to become a Swim_Icon...
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While I love how there will no longer be an Incoherent Babbling, I'm disappointed in the loss of Other Anime. :smileysad:
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VashVSGoku wrote:

[I wonder if they realize they are changing everything that makes this board fun...and good to come to?]

 

:smileyindifferent:




Thats harsh to say.

I mean aren't you a loyal viewer? I mean thats what [as].com was about.

The connection to the viewers and [as] employees....

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o ya and i got another questhun

General will be where everything else goes.  This will not just be Noise in one folder.  It will be a entirely different type of general discussion, the vast majority of which will not be nonsensical

DOES THAT MEAN WE CAN'T BE RANDOM?

BECUZ  THATZ RONG N MEEN ROFL


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One question though, when you reformat the boards, does this mean you will also walk away from Lithium, or is it going to stay?
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i'll be honest... the removal of the ranks is a good idea to me.
i will miss the coloring of the names tho.

is there a way to maybe let users pick and change the colors?