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[AMirrorUnrelated]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
Note to self: AVOID THE FU­CKING CATACOMBS

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What are those like?

Also, try the valley of the drakes, theres a good sword there.

[EvilsergE]

Because Demon's Souls was an exclusive, and didn't have voice chat, and PS3 not having party chats, FROM SOFTWARE made it same.
Like you said, it really wouldn't be fair. And it does make the game more difficult.

Originally, I assumed they would add voice chat, but I'm kind of glad they didn't.

[DoseOfLaughter]

I just finished ringing. Drake Sword + 104 Fire resist = making that boss a joke

[DoseOfLaughter]

Catacombs has skeletons which constantly stand back up, even after you defeat them. I suspect I need certain item to progress through there.

[harryfrodo]

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AMirrorUnrelated wrote:

Chatting is not allowed for a reason, it increase difficulty 100x. Even with a guide that tells you how to handle every single boss, half the time, you're still dead.

By the way, anyone else find Dark Souls 50x harder...no, 1000x harder than Demon's Souls?

99% of the time im stuck as a zombie who cant summon anyone else.

Crazy

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I actually find Dark Souls to be a complete joke compared to Demon's Souls. I've defeated most of the bosses within the first or second encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a difficulty spike soon, but I've come to notice there's an obvious cheap strategy that can be utterly abused on all the bosses.

For example, the goatheaded guy at the bottom of the Undead Burg. I basically led him up the stairs, dropped down, and did a power attack while he recovered from his own jump back to the ground level. I led him back up, dropped down, and so on.

The hydras, too, were stupid-easy once you figured out something about it. They shoot water at you which does a ton of damage, but if you go into the lake (before the drop-off), you can cut off all the heads with a sword. They won't even actually hit you if you stand in the right spots, so you don't even need to block half the time.

And like I said in the thread, when I fought the boar, I led him into the fire and just jumped on top of him and OHK'd him. He was dead in five seconds. It took more time just to clear out all the undead guys and pulling them up to the second floor where the boar couldn't attack.

I don't get why you guys are relying so much on Fire Bombs. Most of the bosses so far have been really fricken easy compared to what was in Demon's Souls.

[PeopleCauseDeath]

i haven't rung the bell yet but that might be because i'm not looking to ring it yet. i'm just grinding for the most part and exploring. getting use to the enemies. all the bosses are very intimating, even the black knights. i got a look at this hyrda that shoots water blasts from a far with my binonculars and i'm like i don't even want to even try and get near him. and i don't have many souls on me and only one humaity so i'm not gonna loss much if i decide to take a closer look but it's like he's scary. i am also playing as two different characters the cleric and the pyromancer and playing as the cleric is hard. i just want to play as him so i can get the evacuate micalce and that zeus' lightning bolt thing and then like the god's wrath thing l

[DoseOfLaughter]

Those are not bosses. Those are mini-bosses

[harryfrodo]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
Those are not bosses. Those are mini-bosses

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Whatev. Point is, this game isn't as hard as Demon's Souls at all.

There is no Soul Form penalty. There is no weightiness added to what you carry. Rare weapons are ridiculously overpowered. And most of all, there is no world where the entire level is poison-fucking-water.

[PeopleCauseDeath]

it is still just the beginning. there are a lot of areas in the game. to me that's like saying oh the 1-1 and 1-2 section of demon's souls was easy. i hear the game is about 80 hrs first playthrough so i'm guessing there is gonna be some trouble. and remember because this game is so big it can take it's time getting to the really hard stuff where demon's souls only had 5 areas so it had to speed up when it got too hard. it wouldn't be fun if they waited until you got to 3-3 to actually get hard.

[harryfrodo]

Ummm ... 1-2 wasn't exactly a pushover. Tower Knight was a pretty ridiculous boss.

And you can't really sit there and say this is an eighty hour long game. If it took you eighty hours to beat it, it was because you died a lot, not because it had that much content. Games like Dark Souls are more about NG+ and going through it over and over than going through one big epic playthrough. How long it takes to beat has to do with your own skill level.

I'm not going to act like this game is a joke to play, because it's not, but compared to Demon's Souls, this really isn't that hard. Demon's Souls was easy in 1-1, but from them on out you were constantly tested and frustrated. Here, I'm breezing through most of the game with a few problem spots, primarily because I rush through it and don't take the time to keep my shield up.

[PeopleCauseDeath]

i didn't think so. he went down like a pile of rocks on my first try

[770312]

Tower Knight wasn't really all that hard. If you attacked his ankles and made him fall over he was a joke. You only had to make him fall twice and he was dead. Plus with all the walkways and whatnot to hide in it wasn't hard to take a moment and heal or whatever else. You weren't on edge the whole time. And level five in Demon's Souls wasn't as bad as you make it out to be. Sure the water was poison, but the things that healed you were very easy to get and you could carry a crapton of them around - plus you didn't get poisoned constantly. Not to mention the bosses in that level were absolute pushovers. I beat all of them on my first try.

I think difficulty is based on perception though, so while I may think something is hard you might not and vice versa. It also depends a lot on what type of character you've made.








Londo is below the Firelink Bonfire. Where the lady in the cage is - there's a set of stairs on the edge of the cliff. Go down those and then go down the elevator. Be warned though - you need these consumable hands to be able to go there. If you don't have them, you CANNOT hurt the enemies. They can hurt you, sure, but you can't hurt them.

It is handy, though, because there's a mage/blacksmith in a cage there and there's no enemies between you and he. it's also worth it just to go and get another Fire Keeper Soul. Once you get out onto the water, it's on the first body you see. Beware though, a bunch of ghosts pop up when you grab it. You'll likely be killed.


The assassin guy I set free, though I don't think he is one now, is in the chapel. The upstairs of the chapel is kind of shaped like a U so just go upstairs and go to the left as soon as you are in the room with all the Hollows. Then go up the stairs [there is another rapier Knight] and break through the boarded up door. Up at the top of the stairs is a guy in a cell. Provided you picked up the mystery key after the boar, you can set him free.

I thought he would be an enemy, but I don't think he is now. He's now at Firelink across from the lady in the cage. He gave me some kind of coin for letting him out. Pretty sure it's a special covenant coin or something else like that. Still, the way he talks... he's not just a guy living in this world. He's a killer.

[770312]

I think a big reason this game seems harder is because I pretty much only played one character the whole time in Demons Souls. I'm just about on my fifth playthrough with that character... He's a badass. I'm having to learn how to be patient and use a shield again. And how to play without magic.

[harryfrodo]

The point I'm really just trying to make is that, ten hours in, I faced much harder challenges than this game has really provided. And it's not that the Valley of Defilement was overkill on the plaguing, but that element simply doesn't exist at all---at least not yet. They completely changed the way in which you even get poisoned, where if you fill up the bar you receive the condition. But as long as you back off and hold up your shield, you're fine.

One of the other things I think might be why this game is easier is simply because there isn't much variety in the enemies, or in how they act. There are gimmicks like the ghosts in the Catacombs, but overall they're pretty mindless in their tactics.

[PeopleCauseDeath]

what about the drakes or the different knights. not the black knights but the other ones? and 10hrs in is still an 1/8 of the way thru. at least that's what i heard. the game is suppose to be very long so it's possible that we are still just fighting all the chumps. i can't say for sure because i haven't played the whole thing and don't know what's ahead of me.


Side note: I RAPED THAT HYRA SO HARD IT'S HEADS POPPED

[DragonBeardX05]

I just experienced my first black phantom invasion, and claimed my first black phantom kill.

I can be honest, and say that it was partially luck and partially knowledge.  He was a cleric who liked to spam soul arrow and main hand the Estoc.  He kept trying to kite me into areas with active mobs (I didn't clear a certain portion of the map), but I wouldn't let him.  Long story short, he backstabbed me because I was hanging around a corner, thinking I would surprise him but he snuck up on me.  I ended up pressing him and making him use up his Soul Arrow spell.  With just a sliver of life I ran him down twice and backstabbed him to death.

So, I have learned the hard way that black phantoms can now actively interact with the map?  He managed to open up two drawbridges that I hadn't gotten to yet, just so he could sneak around the map to hunt me.  I don't think I like this, one bit.

[PeopleCauseDeath]

at least you raped him and showed him or her who's boss. i do love when black phantoms come into my game all prepared with how they are gonna take me down and then i just crush there skulls in and kick them out and take all there stuff. it's fun because they decided to try and ruin my progression in the game. i'm not having that

[770312]

Did you guys know you can shoot that red dragon and fight it? When you shoot it, he gets off the wall and sits on the bridge. I'm gonna waste hours trying to kill it now. @_@ .... or not. Lighting the bonfire in the room behind the dragon makes him fly off. 


Also, killed the Hydra and Butterfly. I'm tempted to just use the butterfy soul for leveling.

Has anyone gone down to the street level of the Burg? If you have the basement key [from killing the butterfly] there's a door at the end of the bridge - opposite where the dragon is. That takes you down to the streets. It's not bad down there either. There's dogs and thieves, but they're pretty easy. If you go to the end, you'll be able to make a shortcut back to the Firelink Bonfire - you get to open up that metal gate in the little stretch of sewer you go through at the beginning. Two awesome things to take note of in lower Burg. First, there's a magician locked in a room and if you have a key to open the building he'll go back to Firelink and will be available there to teach you magic, hardcore magic. Second, there's a merchant in the sewer [that leads to Firelink] that sells a bunch of different consumables. Most notably, the cursed hands. So, there is a place to get them for the area with the ghosts. Huzzah.

The demon there though... I had to quit before I got annoyed. The demon is really weak to attacks, but it's really hard to get an attack in. There are two dogs in the room with him and it's a TINY room. The frustrating thing about this demon, Capra, is that he has two giant swords and his attacks + two dogs attacking at the same time completely drains my stamina. There's no time at all to do anything. I tried a few times but didn't get anywhere. I'm gonna try again tomorrow after I get some much needed sleep. I doubt it'll be as hard as it is right now... hopefully. 

[EvilsergE]

Did anyone go down into the cave from the very first bonfire you arrive to?
There are skeletons and a graveyard?

That place is evil and scary o.o

But it seems that I'm just the right level to be down there. The way to get there is to go to the little pond by the bonfire and take left down stairs to the graveyard, keep going down and on the left there will be a narrow path leading into the cave. The skeletons you encounter there will regenerate until you kill the magician. There are two so far that I saw, they shoot fire balls, so dodging is a must.

[DragonBeardX05]

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PeopleCauseDeath wrote:
at least you raped him and showed him or her who's boss. i do love when black phantoms come into my game all prepared with how they are gonna take me down and then i just crush there skulls in and kick them out and take all there stuff. it's fun because they decided to try and ruin my progression in the game. i'm not having that

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[DragonBeardX05]

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EvilsergE wrote:
Did anyone go down into the cave from the very first bonfire you arrive to?
There are skeletons and a graveyard?

That place is evil and scary o.o

But it seems that I'm just the right level to be down there. The way to get there is to go to the little pond by the bonfire and take left down stairs to the graveyard, keep going down and on the left there will be a narrow path leading into the cave. The skeletons you encounter there will regenerate until you kill the magician. There are two so far that I saw, they shoot fire balls, so dodging is a must.

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I've only gone to the graveyard.  I went there on all my characters when I first got to Lordran. 

Those skeletons are ridiculous, but I did run through the graveyard, grabbing everything that I could before I got murdered by the long line of skeletons that I was kiting.  XD

[GiantMegaDoucheX]

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harryfrodo wrote:

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
Those are not bosses. Those are mini-bosses

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There is no Soul Form penalty. There is no weightiness added to what you carry. Rare weapons are ridiculously overpowered. And most of all, there is no world where the entire level is poison-**beast**-water.

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Hollowed have reduced item drop rate and lower resistances; There is equip weight that slows your movement speed; rare weapons like the drake sword don't scale with stats so eventually they will need to be replaces; And the entire bottom level of Blighttown is covered in poisonous water.

[EvilsergE]

The big one I tricked into jumping off the cliff

Go try the area now, it's not hard at all.

[DoseOfLaughter]

You can be poisoned if your shield is up. The meter fills up as long as you're getting hit.

Found this out when a rat attacked me and poisoned me while my shield was raised. There's actually a chance they'll instantly poison you as well. I got an instant bleed effect put on me, despite having my shield up. Died because of it, too.


I've so far found that this game is no more difficult than Demon's Souls. I never found Demon's Souls all that hard. At first, I thought it was "OMFG THIS IS RETARDED HARD"....but, as I progressed, the game became easier because I became aware that my shield stopped pretty much anything I wanted it too. At least in Dark Souls, my shield can fail me, such as with the mini-boss Harken. His attack can crit. If it crits, it eats through your stamina and health in a single hit. Or, the mere fact that I can get poisoned, bled, or any other effect put upon me, despite blocking my enemy's attacks.


I have noticed people on GameFAQs who found Demon's Souls not so hard, find this game actually difficult. Whereas, people who found Demon's Souls difficult, find this game easy. It's an interesting thing to see.

[DoseOfLaughter]

You get the basement key from the Gargoyles. You're supposed to head there after defeating the Gargoyles.