General Games Discussion

[SwimModRaijin]

All the processing and video rendering occurs in the console, not in the controller, which is why you have to keep it in range for it to work.

And for everyone saying the system will be $383: Nintendo flat-out denied that figure. They normally say they don't comment on rumors and speculation, so I'd take a flat-out denial as serious.

[DoseOfLaughter]

The Wii U is a console, not a handheld........the fu­ck are you smoking?

[EvilsergE]

A handheld console...

You hold it in your hands, play as on the go... it's a handheld.

[SwimModRaijin]

How far away can you take your PS3 controller from the system befor it disconnects? That'll be about that same distance before the Wii U GamePad disconnects. It's not a dedicated handheld, it's tied down to a console in range like other controllers.

[EvilsergE]

What does it connect to? Wii?

[SwimModRaijin]

Nope, to the Wii U system.

[DoseOfLaughter]

Are you seriously not aware that the Wii U is the name of the console and not the controller?

[EvilsergE]

I thought the little thing you hold in your hands in the Wii U.

Wtf is a wii u?...

[DoseOfLaughter]

The Wii U is a console that is going to be twice as power as the 360 and PS3....the controller is a gimmick to go with the console....a very good gimmick at that.

[Crapshot3]

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Chappi_The_Rabbit wrote:

You're right in that I should reserve judgement since maybe they might break the mold with later Wii U titles, but as of now it just feels like they're using current gen graphics on their games and that once the PS4/720 come out with their behemoth graphics, they'll be left in the cold once again.

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again, this is nothing but complete speculation. as I said nintendo would have to pay extra just to make video cards that are 4 years old, it's not economical in the least for them to put in 360 gpu's. you are making no sense what-so-ever.

and it doesn't really matter if it's coming out before or not. the 360 came out before the ps3 and the graphics are pretty much on the same playing field. one system will do this a little better, the other that a little better.

so why don't we wait and see what the specs of the U before we start making dumb predictions.

[Blah_canbespanish]

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DoseOfLaughter wrote:
Are you seriously not aware that the Wii U is the name of the console and not the controller?

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This is why Nintendo should of changed the name. Serge's ignorance is more due his blind Sony fanboyism, but normal consumers have made similar mistakes. If Nintendo has any plans in recapturing the market that made Wii so successful, their advertisement campaign has to make it crystal clear this is an entirely new system rather than just an accessory. Another point the yahoo article touches upon. I never thought I'd defend any sort of journalism from yahoo, but the article pretty much hit all of the big issues Nintendo will face with the Wii U on the head.

Oh and we don't know how powerful the Wii U will be, but twice as strong as PS3/360 seems kind of like an overestimate don't you think? There's really no reason to believe it would be that strong, and if it were you'd think Nintendo would be bragging about it by now instead of pushing out games on par with current generation content...

[MrD1718]

Actually developers with early dev kits said those kits used processors that were 2-3 times more powerful than the PS3...developers, not Nintendo.

And with the whole system confusion thing...the only place this thing has been shown at is at expos that showcase these things. I'm sure marketing and seeing the retail box and store promotions will let people know its not a Wii peripheral. I mean, it's silly what people will come up with.

[EvilsergE]

You're so funny and clever.

My judgement comes from what I saw at e3, and what I saw was a facking handheld system.

[Mormegil84]

Not reading the article. Don't care. 

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Chappi_The_Rabbit wrote:

but as of now it just feels like they're using current gen graphics on their games and that once the PS4/720 come out with their behemoth graphics, they'll be left in the cold once again.

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This is exactly it, as far as 3rd parties are concerned. We're simply going to get a repeat of the previous generation. Nintendo released some excellent games for the Wii, but with the exception of a select few, where were the 3rd parties?  I always found it funny that Zack and Wiki - one of the few games to actually make great use of the motion controls - basically sold nothing, and Nintendo did nothing to push it. 

Nintendo doesn't have a good relationship with third parties, and I'm sure it'll be the same with the Wii U. 

-Wii U comes out. Nintendo can finally keep up with the graphics of the PS3 and 360. People can play Arkham City and Mass Effect 3 even though they've already played them a year ago. 3rd parties mostly port PS3 and 360 games to the Wii U.

-PS4 and 720 are released, whenever. 3rd parties look at the Wii U: "urr durr the graphics of the Wii U aren't pretty anymore so we can't make anymore games for the Wii U durrr"

-Nintendo then does absolutely nothing to promote or push 3rd party software. same####. THE END.

Nintendo pretty much abandoned the Wii after a time to completely focus on the Wii U and the 3DS. It was almost as if they themselves looked at the Wii like it was broken. I mean, what games of note in the past few months has Nintendo released for the Wii? Instead of giving up on it, they should have tried to make it better; they could have at least made it more appealing to third parties, and, yeah, I'm sure they would have appreciated it had Nintendo promoted their games once in a while. Sony and Microsoft would always push 3rd parties during their E3 conferences, while Nintendo would always show off their own games. I'm sure this had to make them frustrated. 

As of now, I can't see it being any different with a new system. The first thing they need to do is repair their relationship with 3rd parties. That's vital to their success. 

[Blah_canbespanish]

Are you upset over the fanboy comment? I thought you'd wear that badge proudly by now.

It's an understandable mistake, a lot of people have made it (which was my point).

MrD: And other developers have said it's near the same level, or even weaker. The reports surrounding just how powerful it is have been incredibly inconsistent. If I remember right the last group of reports that said it was weaker had Nintendo commenting that the power of the system isn't important to them. Seems odd they didn't immediately shoot it down if there's absolutely no chance of it being true.

We won't know for sure until Nintendo finally decides to release the specifications, but given their history there is little reason to expect the system to be that powerful.

[Chappi_The_Rabbit]

It's not just some idiotic musings from an idiot. Sony and Microsoft are sitting at the same table as console that are trying to push the standards of what a console is capable of rather than how a console can be played with. Essentially since Microsoft was pioneering the look of next-gen graphics circa 2005, Sony wanted to have their own system with graphics on par with 360, not Wii. When Sony and Microsoft see Wii U come out and the specs behind their graphics engine, they'll sneer as the two companies find a way to top it with the large abundance of time in between the Wii U's release and the next E3. I'm just saying when a next-gen console has to borrow current-gen games, that's beginning on a whimper.

[Crapshot3]

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Blah_canbespanish wrote:


MrD: And other developers have said it's near the same level, or even weaker. The reports surrounding just how powerful it is have been incredibly inconsistent. 

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again, why don't we just not make this a console fanboy war and  WAIT until the specs are released. I don't see why this is such a hard thing to do.

when the specs are released it is either going to be more powerfull than you think or less powerfull than we think. speculating is not going to do anything but tug at peoples strings.

[Crapshot3]

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Chappi_The_Rabbit wrote:

It's not just some idiotic musings from an idiot. Sony and Microsoft are sitting at the same table as console that are trying to push the standards of what a console is capable of rather than how a console can be played with. Essentially since Microsoft w.....

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the dev kit is already out for the new xbox, new ps and new wii. if not then the Wii U will not be actively competing against those systems 

dev kits typicaly come out 2 years before the game system has been released at E3 so that developers can start to mess with it. the complete architecture of the new ps and xbox have already been cemented and given to developers so they can have something to show at either the next e3 of the one after that. if it was true and microsoft and sony are just sitting on their hands waiting for the Wiiu to be released in a year then we won't have to worry about the new systems for another 3-4 years.

and sorry if you took that statement personally because I did not mean for it to be taken that way, but again I say why don't we just wait before we jump to conclusions?

[against_the_tides]

Why does everyone always bring up graphics? Who the fuuuuuudge cares what the game looks like? I want to play a good goddamned game.

Is that all gamers care about anymore? "Nah, this game is terrible. Just look at it."

[MrD1718]

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Blah_canbespanish wrote:

MrD: And other developers have said it's near the same level, or even weaker. The reports surrounding just how powerful it is have been incredibly inconsistent. If I remember right the last group of reports that said it was weaker had Nintendo commenting that the power of the system isn't important to them. Seems odd they didn't immediately shoot it down if there's absolutely no chance of it being true.

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After some internet searches, I do see those articles you're talking about.  So we have differing stories from different devs.

Ehh, I don't mind the specs of the system, as long as good quality games come out for it...but finally having HD games on a Nintendo console is great considering my large LED tv.  Cannot wait for Retro's next project.

And crapshot, I don't think either of us are fanboys.  Just discussing our view on the system.

[Blah_canbespanish]

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against_the_tides wrote:
Who the fuuuuuudge cares what the game looks like?

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Impressive visuals can undeniably add to the experience, just like bad visuals can detract from it. This usually comes down to visual style rather than sheer graphical power, but to argue graphics are completely irrelevant is absurd. Game play, and sometimes story, are far more important to most people but graphics are not a bad thing.

I'm not sure where this argument comes from to begin with, as people talking about a console's power does not mean they are only talking about graphics alone. Look at the Wii's watered down version of Dead Rising or other multiplatform games that the PS360 received better versions of - that's assuming the Wii got the game to begin with.

When people speak about their concerns over whether or not the Wii U will be technologically behind the Durango/Orbis, the worry is not that the games on the system will be ugly. The concern is they will not receive the next line of popular titles to begin with, or that the titles they do receive will be inferior versions.

[Blah_canbespanish]

Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing something big like Zelda in full HD.

Even if the system completely fails in the third party area, I will probably end up getting one for the first party titles. Nintendo always has that to fall back on.

[KnightStar]

It is more typical Nintendo, the last good console they made was the N64 that had even a medium amount of support for it by Nintendo.

Trouble with Nintendo is they don't know what they are, is Nintendo for casual gamers or kids?

They want to be more mature and play with Microsoft and Sony, but can never bridge the gap for some reason.

In my honest opinion Nintendo only makes good handheld systems now.

[KnightStar]

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770312 wrote:
People will eat it up, its Nintendo.

Personally I don't get the system. It seems like they could have just released a peripheral device yo do what the new controller does. Did they really need an entirely new system?

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Well of course they did it's fucking Nintendo.

A whole new console full of high priced periphrials to sell!

Comes with one notepad controller, sell the others for $50 and up a pop make a bundle, it's been classic Nintendo for years!

I mean really, with the Wii nunchuck they finally sold a million Power Gloves, Nintendo is the master of selling usless sh!t in bulk.

[MasterEv]

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Darkstar_Zero wrote:
Not just Nintendo, all of E3 this year was lackluster.

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yesterday's hardcore gamers are growing up, play fewer genres and less in total

what new crazes are there to create a new hardcore gaming generation?

a) 3rd-person games i.e. rubbish

b) MMOs i.e. a genre that isn't even certain that appeals to half the gaming populations (as of yet)

c) kinect/wii new tech games, which are clearly doing something wrong- perhaps they appeal to too young gamers? perhaps the technology wasn't actually ready to start this thing now?