General Games Discussion

[westpark]

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/nintendo-posts-first-annu
al-loss-lowers-earnings-forecast-18...

Losing their ass this past quarter. Hope it picks up for them soon.

[crapshot2]

well you can only kick everyone's ass for so many consecutive years before you have 1 quarter that is dismell.

[Goldar]

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crapshot2 wrote:

well you can only kick everyone's ass for so many consecutive years before you have 1 quarter that is dismell.

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That typo is freaking awesome. Thank you.

[rumbatubbies-ok]

Their consoles don't have enough war-games to satisfy the blood lust of Americans.

[greyshirt]

well the wii is a piece of crap.

[Meilag32]

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greyshirt wrote:

well the wii is a piece of crap.

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No, the Wii is a good system.  It just doesn't have any games people want. Case in point: has anyone bought a Wii game in the past year that wasn't Skyward Sword? 

Maybe Nintendo will pull it's head out of it's ass and start catering to the crowd that got them to where they are instead of trying to attract middle-aged housewives. 

[MrD1718]

It will. Nintendo has so much saved up that they could go through quite a few years of this and still be ok.

With the launch of Wii U and the 3DS finally starting to do well, I think next fiscal year for them will be much better.

[Goldar]

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MrD1718 wrote:
It will. Nintendo has so much saved up that they could go through quite a few years of this and still be ok.

With the launch of Wii U and the 3DS finally starting to do well, I think next fiscal year for them will be much better.

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I wish Nintendo would come out with an interesting console. This one seems to just be more of the same, catching up with the rest, while not really innovating anything (no, I don't consider motion controls overall innovating in the least, nor their tablet controller, lol a tablet controller).

[MrD1718]

I, on the other hand, do.

The Wii has plenty of great games. I guess it just depends on how you like motion controls.

[MrD1718]

Also, on that subject. It looks like in terms of processing power, the difference between Wii U and the Next Xbox will be similar to that of the 360 and PS3.

NeXtbox will have about "20% more processing power" than the Wii U. Which puts the U much closer to the NeXtbox than the Wii was to the others. I expect the PS4 will be around the same as the NeXtbox as well.

Also, developers have said that there's more to the Wii U than just the tablet controller. With a comprehensive onlline component, it looks like Nintendo is finally getting it's act together when it comes to modern technology, even though they've always been great with pushing out quality games.

[KnightStar]

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Meilag32 wrote:

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greyshirt wrote:

well the wii is a piece of crap.

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No, the Wii is a good system.  It just doesn't have any games people want. Case in point: has anyone bought a Wii game in the past year that wasn't Skyward Sword? 

Maybe Nintendo will pull it's head out of it's ass and start catering to the crowd that got them to where they are instead of trying to attract middle-aged housewives. 

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I cannot agree with this statement about Nintendo enough!

[KnightStar]

That damned tablet controller is as of right now rumored to put the price of the Wii U up around $600, and if Nintendo thinks that sh!t will fly they should look back at the Sony mess with a $600 console.

[Meilag32]

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Goldar wrote:

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MrD1718 wrote:
It will. Nintendo has so much saved up that they could go through quite a few years of this and still be ok.

With the launch of Wii U and the 3DS finally starting to do well, I think next fiscal year for them will be much better.

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I wish Nintendo would come out with an interesting console. This one seems to just be more of the same, catching up with the rest, while not really innovating anything (no, I don't consider motion controls overall innovating in the least, nor their tablet controller, lol a tablet controller).

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While I can't agree with the choice of audience that Nintendo is trying to cater to, the Wii is an interesting console.  And exploring new avenues of how to play is VERY innovative.  What innovation has Microsoft and Sony brought to the table?  Nothing that wasn't an idea stolen from the Wii.  The only thing those companies do is that each year, the games have slightly better graphics.  That's not innovative.  In fact, I don't consider anything they've done to be innovative (that wasn't originially copied from Nintendo).  It's sad because graphical power has a limit.  There's going to come a point where graphics reach a level, where to create them in a game would be too costly for an average consumer.  At least Nintendo is trying to bring video games into that next futuristic leap.  We watch Sci-Fi movies and the characters are interacting with holograms and other such future stuff that we think is cool.  Nintendo is going to be the one that gets there first because they at least try to do something different, rather than play it safe like Microsoft and Sony does. 

[Meilag32]

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KnightStar wrote:
That damned tablet controller is as of right now rumored to put the price of the Wii U up around $600, and if Nintendo thinks that sh!t will fly they should look back at the Sony mess with a $600 console.

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Based on Australian prices, which are usually approximately 25% higher for electronics than the US.  If this rumor holds true, in America you can expect a price tag of below $500.  Yes, this seems very high considering the Wii.  BUT, looking at what the next Xbox and Playstation are packing, experts are saying there is no way they can sell it for less than $400.  So, expect them to put their basic units at around $600-$700.  Gaming is going to get expensive.  Thank you everyone who said graphics are the most important thing.  You helped raise the price. 

[KnightStar]

I seriously don't believe the economy or the gamer in general is in good enough shape to shell out $600-700 for a console at any given time.

If the prices are that high, I know for a fact I won't be getting a new console, I will likely have a house to pay for along with other essential bills, not like I could afford a console like that without the extra house related bill.

[MrD1718]

It won't cost that much. Nintendo learned its mistake from the 3DS

[KnightStar]

We can only hope that Nintendo and Sony both learned their lesson, but I'm not so sure they did.

[Meilag32]

Sony for sure won't be able to.  They're rumored to be putting in the best hardware available.  That's going to cost a pretty penny. 

[Meilag32]

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KnightStar wrote:
I seriously don't believe the economy or the gamer in general is in good enough shape to shell out $600-700 for a console at any given time.

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That's the reason why we haven't had new consoles already.  A new generation always occured within 4-5 years.  The current gen started with the Xbox 360 being released back in '05 and the Wii and PS3 coming out in '06.  That's a lifespan of 7 and 6 years, respectively.  And we still don't have the new consoles yet. 

The companies knew that to release a new console following the typical 4 year cycle would be catastrophic.  They knew that consoles would only get more and more expensive and people couldn't afford it at the time.  But they're not going to keep the current systems for a decade.  They knew they had to pull the trigger eventually.  There will be enough people who will buy a system, anyway.  Considering people are easily spending $1500 on a good TV setup, $500-$600 for a console doesn't seem a lot. 

[Victor_Noir]

I feel like the only reason I use my Wii system anymore is just to play more GameCube games on it. I have plenty of Wii games mind you, but I feel like they've overstayed their welcome with me. Games like Mario Kart Wii and Super Paper Mario we're fun at first, but their lack of replayability and the almost infantile difficulty level really soured my experience as the years went on. I still play Brawl on occasion, but after playing Melee for a ginormous amount time in the past few months I've soon discovered that Brawl is an inferior fighting game. And yes Melee is the far better fighter IMHO.

But yea, here's to hopin' that Wii U is a much better and more gamer friendly system. C'mon Nintendo, get your act together!

[Goldar]

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MrD1718 wrote:
Also, on that subject. It looks like in terms of processing power, the difference between Wii U and the Next Xbox will be similar to that of the 360 and PS3.

NeXtbox will have about "20% more processing power" than the Wii U. Which puts the U much closer to the NeXtbox than the Wii was to the others. I expect the PS4 will be around the same as the NeXtbox as well.

Also, developers have said that there's more to the Wii U than just the tablet controller. With a comprehensive onlline component, it looks like Nintendo is finally getting it's act together when it comes to modern technology, even though they've always been great with pushing out quality games.

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I'm not believing anything until I see an official specs list from both companies.

[Ric2]

Everyone is losing their ass this year. Just look at companies like Sony and THQ as well.

[Blah_canbespanish]

I think it's pretty flawed to look at innovation solely from a control standpoint.

Microsoft: Has made huge strides in the online functionality of consoles, had the first built in HDD, unleashed achievements upon us all.
Sony: DUAL MOTHER #### ANALOGUE STICKS(way bigger than motion IMO), rumble/motion feedback, a (failed) attempt at Motion/voice control with the EyeToy, cemented the notion of consoles as a multimedia device and not just a gaming machine. Then there's also CDs. They may not have been the first to use them, but they were the first truly successful console.

Which brings me to another point - nearly every idea has been done before and innovation alone is never enough. The fact that the Dreamcast was the first system to have built-in online play or DLC didn't save it. Motion control is really old, Wii is just the first successful use of it.

Nintendo likes to play it safe at times too, by the way. Just in different areas. Did I mention CDs? Or their absolutely terrible online support for the past decade? Or maybe how they have depended on the same tired franchises for decades now. Their third party support is truly horrid compared to Sony/Microsoft.

Sony/Microsoft may not be completely revolutionizing the input method for games, but they fine tune many other areas that I frankly couldn't live without. Areas that Nintendo is trying to play catch up on, just like how Sony/Microsoft is play catch up on these new inputs.

[westpark]

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crapshot2 wrote:

well you can only kick everyone's ass for so many consecutive years before you have 1 quarter that is dismell.

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True...

[westpark]

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Meilag32 wrote:

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greyshirt wrote:

well the wii is a piece of crap.

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No, the Wii is a good system.  It just doesn't have any games people want. Case in point: has anyone bought a Wii game in the past year that wasn't Skyward Sword? 

Maybe Nintendo will pull it's head out of it's ass and start catering to the crowd that got them to where they are instead of trying to attract middle-aged housewives. 

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Wii was really hot back in 2010. I was buying games for mine & for my family. Maybe people are just waitin for a Wii 2?