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Hey Doxie, I was wonder exactly what Vol. were on right I actually lost track, now, and how exactly this goes is it every week we discusse a different chapter?
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I posted a prelim schedule a page or 2 back.  Basically, we do 1 volume a week (finishing on Sunday) and post discussion about it during the following week, while reading the next one at our leisure.  I think Vol. 16 was due to be finished today.  (That's 10 chapters.)

 

In the absence of any other plan, I have concentrated on noting the differences between anime and manga & commenting on them.  But that does not mean discussion is restricted to that.  The thread is what the posters make of it. :smileyhappy:

 

I have been writing a series of comments about events and releasing them as separate posts over the week after finishing the chapters.  Just because it keeps things shorter and prevents the thread from dropping out of sight.  :smileywink:

 

I only have one personal request if you want to make a long post: use a larger font & easy to see colors, preferably white, yellow, or some of the cyan blues with high contrast.  It is too difficult to read them otherwise.  (Thanx. :smileyhappy: )

 

(Now you know why I use the Georgia font.)

 

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:smileyvery-happy: You should know me by now when I usually post a long post I always use color. :smileyvery-happy:

 

 

Ah, well that would explain it, well, I might be making a few appearance's here as well, speaking of which soon I have to get to work on the episode analysis for this week, but post a discussion and I would be happy to responed not tonight though a little tired.

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I did my homework this week & have tons of stuff for Volume 16.  I will start posting tomorrow.

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Alright, I'll just go along with the conversation, then when the next volume starts I'll be ready. :smileyhappy:
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Volume 16 covers the chapters dealing with Kanna's first appearance, Goshinki, and Inuyasha's first full demon transformation.

In the fight outside the village where Kanna was trying to absorb Kagome's soul, Kagura used the Villagers as a shield and the anime made it sound like she was controlling them, but in the manga, it was Kanna who was controlling them.  Also, Kagura showed Inuyasha the wind scar twice, but he wouldn't cut it because of the presence of the villagers.

Because of this, Kagura managed to seriously wound Inuyasha with her attacks, Dragon Dance and Wind Blade Dance, before even springing Kanna's trap.  She even thought she could kill him using those attacks alone.

 

 

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During the latter part of the battle, when Naraku found it safe enough to appear, Kagome once again, fired a sacred arrow at Naraku.  Her motivation, The source of her anger (that triggers her powers) toward Naraku was the injury to Inuyasha.

She could also see that the hidden jewel shard he carried was bigger.  This was not mentioned in the anime.

Here Inuyasha was hit by as much of a full force wind scar as he could produce, lessened only by his weakness due to a broken wrist (not by a lack of intent to kill, as with Sesshomaru).  (He actually seems to be made of sterner stuff than his brother, who was paralyzed for days by a much weaker wind scar from which Tenseiga spirited him away before it could complete its damage.)

 

Kagome's arrow did not break Kanna's mirror in the manga.  Here she looked into the mirror once again after it failed to reflect her arrow. 

The manga depicts her as much smarter than the anime does.  She had figured out that Kanna would already have drawn out her entire soul, if she were able to.  By forcing the mirror to try to absorb more, Kagome overwhelmed it and all the souls were released.

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After the battle, Inuyasha's wounds were so bad, the gang was afraid to move him once they had gotten him to a hut.  Due to his sturdy half-demon constitution, they never had this concern before.

Kagome was puzzled by Kikyo's action in giving Naraku the shards, knowing the consequences to Inuyasha.

Inuyasha was angry at Kikyo, but he trusted that she was plotting something.  What?  (He would never allow himself to again feel the hatred that Naraku had tricked him into 50 years ago.)  Those thoughts troubled him a lot.  He was tossing & moaning in a delirious sleep so much that Shippo woke him.

When he woke & Kikyo's soul collectors showed up, his anger gave him the strength to get up to search for her.

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Inuyasha's meeting with Kikyo after Kanna's trap played out very differently in the manga than in the anime. Here Inuyasha was so weak that he stumbled and fell after going only part way to the forest.  He then passed out and could not move.  Kikyo came to meet him.  She did not stay up in a tree and call out to him like in the anime.  She was tender and loving instead of cold and sarcastic.

Inuyasha was absolutely furious with her, more so than in the anime.  He wanted to know what was behind her actions.  He seemed more upset over not being told she was planning something than over her apparent betrayal.

He accused her of wanting to kill him and asked if that was the motive for her actions.

Kikyo responded that she could never turn his life over to Naraku.  Naraku was now their common enemy.  She knelt beside him and spoke gently, not harshly.  She did not laugh, as in the anime.

She claimed that his life now belonged to her. 
(Now he has 2 people, Kikyo and Sesshomaru, who claim his life.)   She then warned him to be careful until she could destroy both Naraku and the jewel.

After she left him, he seemed to be a bit stronger.  Did she use some of her healing power on him to accomplish that?

After finding Inuyasha returning from his meeting with Kikyo, when Miroku & Kagome questioned him about the information Naraku gave them, Inuyasha defended Kikyo vehemently.  Maybe too much so.  It was more than enough to anger Kagome.  She didn't know what had gone on and Inuyasha gave her a sarcastic answer about a love tryst instead of explaining what really happened.

The manga never specifies how much time had passed before the next scene, where Miroku was stuck bandaging a dejected-looking Inuyasha while Kagome took care of Sango.  Maybe 1-2 days? Maybe more?  Sango was acting tough about her injuries and Inuyasha's wounds had closed.  He was able to walk, apparently.  The men look so dejected (for different reasons).  It could not be more than 2 days because Kagome usually cools off by that time and she was still quite angry.

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In the Goshinki episodes, the anime left out a gruesome detail that was present in the manga.  The two children that Inuyasha saved from Goshinki came back to hug their parents' heads and not to pick up their clothes.

When Inuyasha first transformed into a full demon, Goshinki detected it because he felt joy in Inuyasha's mind.  He did not detect a difference in scent.  The joy was so overpowering that Goshinki could not tell what else he was thinking.

Inuyasha destroyed Goshinki by ripping his spine out and letting the rest of him fall apart.  This was not made clear in the anime.  (Another gruesome detail?)

Moumou and Myoga arrived right after Kagome reversed Inuyasha's transformation, while Inuyasha was still shirtless and slightly panicked at the thought of how he had enjoyed dismembering Goshinki.  He told Inuyasha to gather the pieces of the sword and go back to Totosai immediately.  There was no break after the battle as was shown in the anime.

The gang followed part-way, but humans can't enter Totosai's mountain.  Inuyasha went the rest of the way alone while Myoga stayed behind with the gang and told them what was going on. 
The anime did not present events this way and never mentioned the danger of approaching Totosai's mountain.

Myoga's explanation of the way Tessaiga worked to prevent the demon transformation also differs slightly. 
Tessaiga sealed Inuyasha's blood by protecting his body.  As long as his body was protected the survival instinct that triggered the transformation could not kick in.  Once the protection is broken, he will transform to survive.

However, once the demon nature has been satisfied by killing, it will never slumber again.  Even re-forged, the sword can't control it completely.  There is an implication here, that, if they had been able to re-forge the sword before he transformed, the protection would have remained intact.  This also implies that Inuyasha's demon side was far more powerful than anyone expected and could easily have appeared long before now, if not for the sword.

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The last difference between the anime and the manga  occurred when Inuyasha had turned human on the night before Totosai was supposed to return with the repaired sword.  Miroku did not tease him demonstrating his differences to Sango, as in the anime.  Shippo was never blamed for revealing the secret.  (Miroku already knew from the Togenkyo adventure, which HAD happened in the manga but NOT in the anime.)

In the manga, Inuyasha was more concerned about his inability to protect Kagome than his own vulnerability.

Until Kagome mentioned it to him, Inuyasha never realized that what had happened was a transformation into full demon.  He never realized that he had looked that scary.  When Kagome said that she thought he had forgotten her while in demon form, he first realized Miroku's warning may be right, but quickly denied it.  His responding declaration was something of a declaration of affection, although he didn't seem to realize he had done that.  "I could never forget you, Kagome."  But it did concern him that his heart, his soul, may have changed during the transformation.
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The last difference between the anime and the manga  occurred when Inuyasha had turned human on the night before Totosai was supposed to return with the repaired sword.  Miroku did not tease him demonstrating his differences to Sango, as in the anime.  Shippo was never blamed for revealing the secret.  (Miroku already knew from the Togenkyo adventure, which HAD happened in the manga but NOT in the anime.)

In the manga, Inuyasha was more concerned about his inability to protect Kagome than his own vulnerability.

Until Kagome mentioned it to him, Inuyasha never realized that what had happened was a transformation into full demon.  He never realized that he had looked that scary.  When Kagome said that she thought he had forgotten her while in demon form, he first realized Miroku's warning may be right, but quickly denied it.  His responding declaration was something of a declaration of affection, although he didn't seem to realize he had done that.  "I could never forget you, Kagome."  But it did concern him that his heart, his soul, may have changed during the transformation.
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It's cool how he was able to admit that, to himself at least, that he can't forget her, though with Inuyasha who knows he may have realized he had said that, he has no problem saying sentimental things in his mind, his only problem is forgetting :smileyvery-happy:

 

His first transformation and he didn't remember it, he can try to deny it, but of course there is some fear, you can actually tell he's worried, wen Kagome said "I thought you would forget about me.", Inuyasha's response followed, "I could never forget you, Kagome." He does fear but like always he denies it, (Since it shows weakness).

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Kaijinbo called Inuyasha a human child. This is another indication that Inuyasha is developmentally still just a boy.

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Sesshomaru appeared almost immediately after Tokijin hit the ground.  He did not need Kagura's help to point the way.  Also, Inuyasha did not sit vigil over Tokijin for a day and a night.

Kagura does not even appear in the story until after Sesshomaru goes back to Rin & Jaken with the Tokijin having failed to fight Inuyasha because Totosai interfered.

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One of the things the anime completely omitted was how the split Hiraikotsu was repaired.  In one scene Kaijinbo cut it in half & in the next episode, it was whole again.  The secret? Totosai repaired it after blocking Sesshomaru so that the gang could escape with Inuyasha before he completely transformed into a demon.

Also different, Inuyasha did not complete his transformation & so reverted back as soon as Totosai removed the danger that Sesshomaru posed.

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Totosai's description of Tessaiga implies that it draws on the fangs within for its power.  Therefore, Inuyasha's own inner strength powers the sword.

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The manga showed the birth of Juromaru, which was left out of the anime.  He beheaded Naraku and 2 retainers immediately, and ate the retainers.  He only stopped because Naraku held his heart. 

 

Here is also the answer to the question what did Naraku have in the extra jar that sat next to the one with Kagura's heart in the anime.

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Kagome told Inuyasha not to get upset over Koga and he blew up.  (Pent up rage at Koga misdirected.)  Kagome is flattered by his jealousy but is tired (of his childishness) and says so.

Inuyasha jumps to the wrong conclusion ("She's tired of being with me?!) And goes into a depressed funk.  Kagome doesn't realize that he misunderstood what she had said and thinks it's because of Koga's insults.

 

Takahashi's drawings  say so much about emotions with just a few well-chosen pen strokes.  It's amazing how she does it.

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Another thing left out of the anime, Juromaru had big vampire fangs and drooled lots of some disgusting slime from his mouth.

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Another thing left out of the anime, Juromaru had big vampire fangs and drooled lots of some disgusting slime from his mouth.


 

Yeah it was replaced by an icy mist instead. Wierd huh?
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Another thing left out of the anime, Juromaru had big vampire fangs and drooled lots of some disgusting slime from his mouth.


 

Yeah it was replaced by an icy mist instead. Wierd huh?

And so much less dramatic.  The manga story was much more tense.  Inuyasha had a much harder battle.  And Juromaru was much more sinister, if anyone would have believed that that was possible.

 

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LoverDemon wrote:

doxiedachsie wrote:
Another thing left out of the anime, Juromaru had big vampire fangs and drooled lots of some disgusting slime from his mouth.


 

Yeah it was replaced by an icy mist instead. Wierd huh?

And so much less dramatic.  The manga story was much more tense.  Inuyasha had a much harder battle.  And Juromaru was much more sinister, if anyone would have believed that that was possible.

 


So true. But I can't really complain about that. :smileyvery-happy:

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In the manga, Inuyasha was more badly injured by the "twins" than in the anime.  In addition to the hole in his gut, Kageromaru inflicted serious arm wounds from underground and Juromaru bit him on the shoulder, badly, and then clawed his chest before knocking him in to the tree where he passed out.  The manga does show him waking up seconds later to see Kageromaru turn to attack Kagome with no remark from Miroku about him being unconscious. 

 

In the manga, when Kagome says he is badly injured, she wasn't kidding.  He was a mess.

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your making me want to really read the manga :smileyhappy:
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My volume 18 comments are ready.  I'll start posting them tomorrow, back permitting.  Hurt it earlier today & now hard to sit up for long.

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