Reply to LoverDemon - Message ID#: 61834390
09-23-2011 11:23 PM
Not saying it's the only explanation; but it fits everything we see without any stretchy assumptions.
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Reply to doxiedachsie - Message ID#: 61835488
09-24-2011 12:02 AM
Well, like I said during my first post. It's a very opinionated topic. We all see and look at things in a different way. And the only person that could truely answer them, would be Takahashi herself, and that will most probably never happen.
Reply to LoverDemon - Message ID#: 61836134
06-06-2012 04:54 PM
"Technically, Inuyasha ended up with Kikyo in the end, because technically... Kagome and Kikyo share parts of the same soul. Therefore, Kagome is merely just a futuristic Kikyo; because without Kikyo... Kagome wouldn't exist."
Who would agree with that? Disagree? I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly Rumiko meant and intended to truly do with the word "reincarnation."
Reply to gravekeeper - Message ID#: 65123016
06-07-2012 12:23 AM - edited 06-07-2012 12:23 AM
gravekeeper wrote:
"Technically, Inuyasha ended up with Kikyo in the end, because technically... Kagome and Kikyo share parts of the same soul. Therefore, Kagome is merely just a futuristic Kikyo; because without Kikyo... Kagome wouldn't exist."
Who would agree with that? Disagree? I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly Rumiko meant and intended to truly do with the word "reincarnation."
Well, this thread was more about which version of Kikyo's soul was the one that was reincarnated into Kagome; but Inuyasha's initial attraction to Kikyo was because she possessed the soul that was the mate to his, his other half, if you will. However, the soul hadn't matured properly yet to be fully complete. Kagome was the soul Mark 2, the complete soul; and once Iniuyasha ran across it, he was hooked for life. What that meant to him, though, was a sense of guilt for being responsible for the death of the previous body that possessed that soul. He didn't yet understand that the first meeting was premature, or just perhaps the opening act for the real show.
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Reply to DoxieMoxie - Message ID#: 65127890
06-07-2012 07:27 PM
Sorry, I just stuck the question in here because it involved Kagome/Kikyo's soul; and I didn't know where else to put it.
So, then, would that lead you to agree that technically, Inuyasha did end up with Kikyo in the end? Or does Kikyo's soul not being fully developed make Kagome and Kikyo two seperate beings for you?
Reply to gravekeeper - Message ID#: 65135266
06-07-2012 10:36 PM
Kagome said it many times. Kagome is Kagome, and not anybody else. She may have inherited Kikyo's soul; but she also had something more. Her soul was larger and her powers greater (if totally uncontrollable). That is why I posed the question of which version of Kikyo's soul did she get. In the beginning, we assumed it was the soul that was released when Kikyo died and was cremated with the jewel.
But then we see Kikyo get part of her soul back, a very tiny part; and she augmented it with the souls of others (mostly haku, to keep her mobile). Finally Midoriko winds up in the mix; and Midoriko's soul had been split up into several pieces. Some of it stayed in the cave, and some of it went into the jewel, and maybe even more of it was dispersed into the Great Kami to be distributed to Inuyasha, Miroku, Sango, and maybe even Shippo. (I'll get to Kagome soon.) They each seemed to possess an abundance of one of the four souls that the jewel was named after.
Inuyasha was strong with the spirit of Ara, the violent, chaotic force responsible for creation of life.
Miroku was strong with Kushi, the spirit that was responsible for mystical power and desire to collect knowledge.
Sango was strong with Saki, the spirit responsible for production and fertility, and therefore associated with love.
Shippo also seemed to be strong with a combination of Kushi and Saki.
Then we come to Kagome, who was powerful with the spirit of Nigi, the force that calms and organizes energy. But she had also had the Shikon Jewel dissolved within her body for the first 15 years of life; and the jewel held Midoriko's soul. So she had been in contact with Midoriko's soul all that time. Could bonding have occurred? Was that one of the reasons her own soul had grown so large? I'll return to this in a moment.
Now Ara and Nigi are complementary souls. Nigi calms and organizes Ara, which creates a powerful form of life, a balanced being. I have read several Shinto priest's writings that claim Kushi and Saki are separately created spirits; but instead sprang from the union of Ara and Nigi, almost like children, but not quite. So knowledge and joy came from chaos and order, if you are willing to oversimplify. There you have two pairs of spirits that are mates for each other.
This means that both couples, Inuyasha and Kagome, and Miroku and Sango are soul-mates. However, Inuyasha and Kagome are the more basic spirits that represent Ara and Nigi, the sources of creation. Although it is never mentioned, the implication is that Inuyasha's soul is just as large as Kagome's. It just isn't obvious because he is half-demon; but even his nature as a half-demon implies both a large soul and the union of opposites, yin-yang, hot-cold, good-evil, just about everything that exists. That makes him truly the expression of Ara, the creative energy; but without Nigi to focus him, the result is chaos. That is where Kagome comes in.
Kagome is almost pure Nigi. She is the glue that attracts companions and holds them together. She is the focus that calms Inuyasha. She has said this many times. From this calmness comes happiness. That is why his strength and personality change so much when he is away from her.
Here is where Kikyo comes in. She did calm Inuyasha somewhat; but she also inhibited him and did nothing to increase his strength. She didn't have enough Nigi in her soul. That is why her relationship to Inuyasha was doomed from the start. She had quite a bit of Ara in her, hence the fighting ability that seemed so natural to her and that Kagome had such a hard time learning. She and Inuyasha possessed mated souls; but they had not fully developed yet. Their souls would be drawn together across time and space and they would almost always find each other in their lifetimes. But Kikyo was still incomplete. Kagome was the finished product. Inuyasha would have to wait for her because her soul was finally the perfect match to his.
So it isn't a question of whether Inuyasha wound up with Kikyo in the end; but more a question of him running across Kagome, or part of her, in the beginning.
One last thing. Going back to Midoriko, it is possible that she was able to create the jewel because she had a perfect balance of the four spirits in her soul. If so, that blend was broken in the creation of the jewel and each of the companions may have inherited one aspect of Midoriko's soul. That very fact may have drawn them together as parts of Midoriko attempting to unite to gather together the shards of the broken jewel that contained the rest of her soul. Of course, we know where the bit of her soul that stayed in the cave wound up; but that is a major spoiler.
However, it does explain the reason for my original question. Is part of Kagome's soul inherited from parts of Midoriko, and could the reincarnated soul she inherited include Kikyo Mark 2?
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Reply to DoxieMoxie - Message ID#: 65137428
06-08-2012 03:15 AM
Saying that each member of the gang inherited a piece of Midoriko's soul, and that it was destiny, really starts to make sense for me. Because, it's almost as if Midoriko is literally fighting her battle against Magatsuhi, or the evil side of the Jewel. Just like Magatsuhi uses his victims... Naraku (and God only know who else between the time gap); Naohi also was able to use its power to draw the gang together. It's just another reason why fate plays such a vital role in this series.
Also, when you say, "Running across Kagome, or part of her in the beginning" a light bulb goes off in my head. To actually view it like that is definitely interesting to me. So, they are two different people; yet share parts of the same soul.
And, honestly, I still believe that Kagome inherited it all. She was able to possess each and every sould that she formed while still in the Sengoku jidai. Which was: Kikyo mark #1 (anguished/hurt Kikyo), Kikyo mark #2 (resurrected/clay Kikyo), parts of Midoriko that Kikyo used, and then... her own soul with the Jewel constantly pushed against.
Why else would Kagome's spiritual power be so uncontrollably powerful?
Reply to gravekeeper - Message ID#: 65140702
06-08-2012 02:43 PM
gravekeeper wrote:
Saying that each member of the gang inherited a piece of Midoriko's soul, and that it was destiny, really starts to make sense for me. Because, it's almost as if Midoriko is literally fighting her battle against Magatsuhi, or the evil side of the Jewel. Just like Magatsuhi uses his victims... Naraku (and God only know who else between the time gap); Naohi also was able to use its power to draw the gang together. It's just another reason why fate plays such a vital role in this series.
Also, when you say, "Running across Kagome, or part of her in the beginning" a light bulb goes off in my head. To actually view it like that is definitely interesting to me. So, they are two different people; yet share parts of the same soul.
They both share the entirety of Kikyo's original soul. My problem comes with the paradox of what happened to that recycled bit that Kikyo got back and all the other souls she added to it to create her final, giant soul. As far as Inuyasha meeting Kikyo goes, his fate was actually to meet Kagome; but he was drawn to the soul that was destined to be hers even if it wasn't ready yet.
And, honestly, I still believe that Kagome inherited it all. She was able to possess each and every sould that she formed while still in the Sengoku jidai. Which was: Kikyo mark #1 (anguished/hurt Kikyo), Kikyo mark #2 (resurrected/clay Kikyo), parts of Midoriko that Kikyo used, and then... her own soul with the Jewel constantly pushed against.
For that to happen, Kikyo's reprocessed soul would have to join her original one and both come back to Kagome 500 years later as a single, merged soul. That is the paradox question I posed in the OP.
Why else would Kagome's spiritual power be so uncontrollably powerful?
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Reply to doxiedachsie - Message ID#: 65143504
06-09-2012 03:14 AM
Oh, yeah. You're right. I didn't think of that one... ![]()
I wonder what Rumiko would say to this thread and original question!!! Probably, "Oh... I have never noticed that before :chuckles: Sorry."
Reply to gravekeeper - Message ID#: 65150272
06-09-2012 08:40 PM
There is much mystery to Kagome, and a whole lot of confusion.
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