InuYasha

[InuFan05]

Kanketsu-hen should do a good job ameliorating that issue....

[DoxieMoxie]

That's if Viz gets off their high horse and gives it to [as] for a decent price.  I'm starting to think that the reason [as] doesn't have it yet is because Viz's price is too high.

[InuFan05]

To play with that infamous quote from that candidate from NY in 2010 whose name eludes me, "Viz's prices are too damn high!"

Sorry, I just couldn't resist...

Also, I can see what you mean there... There's no reason why [as] wouldn't want to put Kanketsu-hen on air... at all. It would be what they need for ratings, especially because it's related to their second longest running show and a constant source of high ratings and revenue for them...

[DoxieMoxie]

I remember reading somewhere that [as] was expected to not renew their license to Inuyasha in 2009 because it was such an expensive one.  Viz must have relented, posssibly because of the impending FA production.  I'm pretty sure they were working on it with Sunrise for many months before the premiere.

[InuFan05]

Maybe [as] must have relented just as well? I mean, we saw what happened in 2006.

Either way, both sides are killing us here..

[DoxieMoxie]

[as] has a financial imperative to maintain a positive cash flow.  If it costs them more for the license than they can make back in advertising revenue, they can't keep the license.  If Viz demands more for the license than [as] can make through airing the episodes, [as] can't afford to buy it.

That may all be reflected in the anime announcements they made last year when they obtained Kekkaishi, and later Durarara!  I would bet those licenses were less expensive than FA.  I also suspect that the same reason may ultimately prevent them from resurrecting Toonami in the form that everybody remembers.  I know they have a real demand for the product.  But is that demand large enough to validate the cost?  I have no way of knowing.  Only the network executives have that kind of knowledge.

However, as time goes by, I feel more and more that money is the stumbling block to getting FA.  The fact that very few people mentioned FA as a candidate for Toonami in that thread doesn't help either.

[InuFan05]

I guess you're right...

In the context of Toonami, they saw the high ratings and approval, so I guess that could be a little bit of encouragement for them... Also, I'm sure that a lot of writing and coercion would help... However, the thing is that it was mainly because of excitement that everything was so popular last week. If Toonami becomes a regular thing, it won't be special anymore, and people will soon bore of it again... I don't think it could have longevity, despite its great popularity.

And if we're doing the cost benefit analysis here, then the ratings for TFA will definitely validate purchasing the rights I feel, especially because of ratings and demand... But I guess you're right about how people brought it up in the Toonami thread... But then again, I guess the main concern there and then was just looking back to the past, not caring about future programming. In all honesty, I feel that nobody cares about any of the future anime, much less TFA- which would be strongest- in general... I really hope it doesn't mean anything bleak about popularity or fandom...

[DoxieMoxie]

It means that all the fanboys and fangirls spent the whole night steeped in nostalgia.  I half watched most of the shows because I hadn't seen most of them and didn't know what was going on; and I had to watch the board end of April 1st.

The one thing I did notice about the last two shows was they had premiered when I was a child.  All I remember about them is that I didn't find them interesting at the time and never watched.  That was the 1950's, a terribly long time in human terms.  Seeing that, I can understand why Toonami ultimately died.  In its own way, it was just as stale as everybody says the anime block on [as] is now.  Once the initial flush of nostalgia wears off, everyone will get bored with the lineup and demand something new and exciting, just like now.

Personally, I think the whole thing was a prank, like the initial showing of The Room in 2009.  [as] likes to play nasty pranks on April 1st.  I regard this as just another one of them.  The nature of the prank is to make everybody go all fanboyish and be thrilled about having their prayers answered, then snatch it all away. 

I see two scenarios.  The first is [as] pulled another prank with no intention of following through on it.  The second is that it was an amusing experiment.  The fans showed they are in love with the Toonami brand.  That brand can be an entry point into an earlier portion of the block for anime and action shows.  It might also be a means to get youth rated material that would not be considered normal [as] fare.  Move over.  The WB cartoon reruns are following the Fox comedies to [as].  That would be the biggest joke of all.

And believe me.  I really feel that [as] did this as a joke.  They are probably still laughing at the gullible anime nerds right now.

[InuFan05]

It was the same with me... I didn't watch Toonami until the later years and was interested in seeing these shows that I had only heard of heretofore...

I honestly didn't care much for the last two shows either... And what you said totally validates what I said as well. Right now, Toonami is nice and sparkly, because it was a beautiful and pleasant surprise, but with time, it'll become an old and common thing once again. It'll lose its nostalgic worth, which is what contributed to the high ratings and popularity to begin with.

I agree. I knew from the start it was a one night thing and that it was just meant to mess with our heads. It was definitely cruel to be tantalized like that, but it was nonetheless really lovely to be revisited by the past like that. Those shows were good, after all.

I honestly see both scenarios working, and I feel as though it could go either way. There are ways to coerce the return of Toonami after all. I just find the former more plausible as well. I don't even know why people expect it to mean more. Sure, there's the chance that with pressure, it could return, but it wasn't meant as a long term or binding thing...

[DoxieMoxie]

In an odd way, this was the perfect revenge for all the complaints about programming that people lodge on this board, and probably on facebook as well.  Negate all their complaints; and give them false hope as well.  Absolutely perfect for a group of guys that enjoy trolling their fans, and actually consider it a valid trademark.

[InuFan05]

So true... And for people who genuinely appreciate it and accept reality, it was the perfect surprise...

Maybe this will be a lesson for everyone as well to appreciate what's on, because when it's gone, it's gone for good. Maybe people will accept the programming block for what it is and try to make the most of it and help improve it, rather than whine about it. For instance, if this show or CB were to leave, do you know how much of an uproar would take place? People need to be glad that although it's not much- and I'll be the first to want to demand more- we're still lucky to have whatever little has remained from the golden days and that we should appreciate and fight for it, rather than take it for granted...

And which group/whom did you mean when you said, "Absolutely perfect for a group of guys that enjoy trolling their fans"?

[DoxieMoxie]

The execs at Williams Street.  The April 1st prank fest is something that is now ingrained in the station's mystique.  They love messing with the fans' heads.  One year, they even totally locked up the boards, and left them that way for over 25 hours.  Only the folder for The Room was left open.  Now that's a mean prank.

[InuFan05]

It seems like everyone is still burning from that... Is that show even still on? or good? I wonder how many people ended up boycotting because of that...

[DoxieMoxie]

Now these same people eagerly await the annual airing of The Room.  Bet they were disappointed this year. 

[InuFan05]

In a good way, of course... Unless if they were the trolls who purposely wrote that they were disappointed that Toonami returned...

Personally, I didn't know what to expect, and I was wating with bated breath...

But now I have to wonder... In the Toonami folder, there was a thread about how Kanketsu-hen would've been an ideal premiere in that situation, and a lot of people expressed dissatisfaction. When I saw some of their anime lists, they actually gave the series a decent rating... I have to wonder how many just say no or other hateful things just to troll on or #### off the fans...

[DoxieMoxie]

Quite a few.  Some of the loudest critics can be big secret fans.  Just look at the enormous fan fic Ransla has posted about Inuyasha in the Creative folder.

[InuFan05]

I'll check it out... Thanks!

Honestly, I don't really think you can hate on this show... Whatever flaws it has- which is what happens to every show- it's great on its on level and one of the best out there... It's really an epic and classic.

[ACx7]

Nice! Though I think it would look nicer if it was Sesshomaru.

[InuFan05]

Thanks! And welcome to the boards!

[ben0119]

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InuFan05 wrote:

Take a look!!! Yay!!!

Fangirl moment!!! Yay yay!!!

Now, I'll go back to acting my age...

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That's pretty nice!  But mine is still better.

What's this, somebody found InuYasha shirts at a thrift store?!  I never would have thought to look there!

And yeah, about the "new clothes" thing.  I haven't noticed a funny smell so much as they seem stiff and itchy.  I have to wash everything before I wear it.  Plus, who knows who or what touched it while it sat in the warehouse and then on the racks at the store!  And yeah, if it is a shirt with those pictures on them, you gotta' wash inside out!

Interesting conversation you guys got into about Toonami, although I think Doxie is way off base on why it got canceled.  It didn't get canceled because it got "stale", it was canceled because they'd put progressively crappier shows on it, took off a lot of the good shows, then relegate it to one day a week, then they tried to kiddy-ize it and made Tom into an abomination.  It really was messy how it all ended up.  Then they tried that Miguzi thing to replace it, which failed.

But yeah, I don't think Toonami would wear out its welcome if it came back.  Granted, you've got to have some new shows on it, and I don't see why the current Saturday ACTN roster couldn't be folded into it.  Or, you could have Toonami, then Saturday ACTN.  Actually, that's how it was for a short time.  I miss those days...  Nevertheless, I hope for Final Act to appear on Adult Swim/Toonami/whatever in some form or fashion!

As for being happy with Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop being in place, that's actually what was stated in that Marzgurl video I mentioned.  They talked about how InuYasha fans would complain if it got taken off the air, but then never watched it when it was actually on the air.  Granted, I'm not necessarily in agreement with that, and I always watched InuYasha (when it was still on at a reasonable hour), but... still.

[ben0119]

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DoxieMoxie wrote:

Both.  The demand is not as high as it used to be; but the supply is virtually non-existent.  The calendar didn't get put up o Amazon until late March, or maybe April.  Last year, it was up in Febuary.

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And that's just wonderful.  I had hoped that prices had gone down as time went on.  But, it seems that even the broker I get, the more expensive the stuff becomes.  Maybe there will be a nice package deal when Final Act comes out.

I can think of a similar situation with the original Tron movie DVD.  It was rare and expensive, up to collector's item status, up until the new movie came out, then you could get it in a collection with the second one, or by itself for a decent price.  Here's hoping...

[DoxieMoxie]

Putting on progressively crappier shows is what "stale" means.

[InuFan05]

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ben0119 wrote:

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InuFan05 wrote:

Take a look!!! Yay!!!

Fangirl moment!!! Yay yay!!!

Now, I'll go back to acting my age...

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That's pretty nice!  But mine is still better.

What's this, somebody found InuYasha shirts at a thrift store?!  I never would have thought to look there!

And yeah, about the "new clothes" thing.  I haven't noticed a funny smell so much as they seem stiff and itchy.  I have to wash everything before I wear it.  Plus, who knows who or what touched it while it sat in the warehouse and then on the racks at the store!  And yeah, if it is a shirt with those pictures on them, you gotta' wash inside out!

Interesting conversation you guys got into about Toonami, although I think Doxie is way off base on why it got canceled.  It didn't get canceled because it got "stale", it was canceled because they'd put progressively crappier shows on it, took off a lot of the good shows, then relegate it to one day a week, then they tried to kiddy-ize it and made Tom into an abomination.  It really was messy how it all ended up.  Then they tried that Miguzi thing to replace it, which failed.

But yeah, I don't think Toonami would wear out its welcome if it came back.  Granted, you've got to have some new shows on it, and I don't see why the current Saturday ACTN roster couldn't be folded into it.  Or, you could have Toonami, then Saturday ACTN.  Actually, that's how it was for a short time.  I miss those days...  Nevertheless, I hope for Final Act to appear on Adult Swim/Toonami/whatever in some form or fashion!

As for being happy with Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop being in place, that's actually what was stated in that Marzgurl video I mentioned.  They talked about how InuYasha fans would complain if it got taken off the air, but then never watched it when it was actually on the air.  Granted, I'm not necessarily in agreement with that, and I always watched InuYasha (when it was still on at a reasonable hour), but... still.

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Well thanks for the buzzkill! And my shirt is way cooler!

And what video? Share the link! I wanna see.

[ben0119]

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DoxieMoxie wrote:

Putting on progressively crappier shows is what "stale" means.

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Grrr... yeah, but...

But that's not Toonami's fault!  For years it was a viable product.  Chalk it up to more of Williams Street's bungling (some think Toonami was intentionally killed, though).  Anyway, I'm kinda' shocked that you would say you only half-watched the shows.  Toonami played a lot of the best anime and and action shows around, and its DBZ airings are what made me an anime fan!  You would be remiss to not check out some of those shows, methinks.

And I can admit that I was never a huge fan of Gundam Wing or Tenchi Muyo, and missed out on Outlaw Star when it originally aired, but I still watched them on April 1st because... TOONAMI!

[ben0119]

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InuFan05 wrote:

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ben0119 wrote:

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InuFan05 wrote:

Take a look!!! Yay!!!

Fangirl moment!!! Yay yay!!!

Now, I'll go back to acting my age...

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That's pretty nice!  But mine is still better.

What's this, somebody found InuYasha shirts at a thrift store?!  I never would have thought to look there!

And yeah, about the "new clothes" thing.  I haven't noticed a funny smell so much as they seem stiff and itchy.  I have to wash everything before I wear it.  Plus, who knows who or what touched it while it sat in the warehouse and then on the racks at the store!  And yeah, if it is a shirt with those pictures on them, you gotta' wash inside out!

Interesting conversation you guys got into about Toonami, although I think Doxie is way off base on why it got canceled.  It didn't get canceled because it got "stale", it was canceled because they'd put progressively crappier shows on it, took off a lot of the good shows, then relegate it to one day a week, then they tried to kiddy-ize it and made Tom into an abomination.  It really was messy how it all ended up.  Then they tried that Miguzi thing to replace it, which failed.

But yeah, I don't think Toonami would wear out its welcome if it came back.  Granted, you've got to have some new shows on it, and I don't see why the current Saturday ACTN roster couldn't be folded into it.  Or, you could have Toonami, then Saturday ACTN.  Actually, that's how it was for a short time.  I miss those days...  Nevertheless, I hope for Final Act to appear on Adult Swim/Toonami/whatever in some form or fashion!

As for being happy with Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop being in place, that's actually what was stated in that Marzgurl video I mentioned.  They talked about how InuYasha fans would complain if it got taken off the air, but then never watched it when it was actually on the air.  Granted, I'm not necessarily in agreement with that, and I always watched InuYasha (when it was still on at a reasonable hour), but... still.

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Well thanks for the buzzkill! And my shirt is way cooler!

And what video? Share the link! I wanna see.

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You know I was just joking.

I forgot I talked about it in here, too.  Anyway, I linked the video in the other thread, haha.