Kekkaishi

[SoulGovernorIchmaru]

Tonight's episode clinches this for me.  The best episode of an Anime I have seen in years.  It totally eviscerated the competition from Bleach and Fullmetal Alcemist: Brotherhood, tonight.  Not even a fair fight.  Kekkaishi, the number 4 Anime on Adult Swim easily, after Big O, Bebop, and GitS.

[JZ42]

I'm gonna call trolling in this one, but I'll lend you my flame shield anyway lol

[SoulGovernorIchmaru]

I don't do that.  I am an honest person that speaks his mind about how he honestly feels.  And I honestly love this show more than Bleach and FMA.  It has almost as much heart as the original Dragonball.  Tonight's episode really struck a chord with me... I cried when... Yoshi said that to Gen.  I felt like he was saying that to me, about me... it... I guess... what I am saying is... I may be biased.  I feel like Gen is me, and so... yeah, I really like this show.  If no one else liked it or agreed with me, I would still love this show.  I go with what I like, not by others think

But, last I checked, it's not "trolling" to have an unpopular opinion... ugh. -_-

You do know I'm ben0119, right?

[zoid9000]

Opinions are always subjective, there will be plenty of people raging in this thread eventually I'm sure.

For what it's worth though I agree with you. What little of Bleach I saw was fairly generic and Brotherhood, while very good, didn't really evoke the unique and creative sense that I found in Kekkaishi. The characters and the presentation are fairly unorthodox, despite the obvious comparisons between other shows in the genre. Of course I'm biased because I've read a fair chunk of the manga, which only amplifies the amount of awesome that you initially see in the anime. Anyway, I hope you continue to enjoy it. While I've seen a lot of complaints about [as] picking it up, I'm really glad it's getting some exposure and I'd love to see Viz treat it right in regards to a DVD release. 

[Jeebus201]

Trolling levels are off the charts, captain!

The most epic thing on TV last night? Anderson Silva. If they wanted that **grok** shrine so bad, they'd have The Spider beat up Yoshinomori and he would just crack their skulls.

KekkIshi is still only slightly above the bottom tier, and that's not including the penalty points it gets for still being a kids snow.

[bleachjoj]

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Jeebus201 wrote:
Trolling levels are off the charts, captain!

The most epic thing on TV last night? Anderson Silva. If they wanted that **grok** shrine so bad, they'd have The Spider beat up Yoshinomori and he would just crack their skulls.

KekkIshi is still only slightly above the bottom tier, and that's not including the penalty points it gets for still being a kids snow.

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Okay first what you do is trolling,

@Ben second have you realized what you just said?

[Jeebus201]

I consider what Ben said to be trolling (and admitting to having an alt).  He made a thread with the sole purpose of insulting fans of established shows by using a controversial show to prod said fans into angry reactions.  A similar example is someone goading anime fans by saying "Anime is a cancer infecting Adult Swim, and  Tim and Eric are the cure."  (This was an actual signature).

Therefore, he is trolling.  And an obvious troll at that since we all know he doesn't believe this show is good for one second, he just likes trolling.

[SangoSubduer]

I have never 'trolled' in my life.  I have better things to do with my time than that.  I made this thread to state my honest opinion, and converse, debate, and discuss it with others.  Nothing more.

[boborudnik]

What the OP said didn't denigrate the other shows...it was just an opinion as to his perception of it in comparison to the others. No flamebait words like "cancer" or "**grok**" or such.

Your own definition of trolling doesn't hold water in this case.

Add:

Haha, the misspelling of a certain word got grokked out as well.

[SangoSubduer]

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bleachjoj wrote:

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Jeebus201 wrote:
Trolling levels are off the charts, captain!

The most epic thing on TV last night? Anderson Silva. If they wanted that **grok** shrine so bad, they'd have The Spider beat up Yoshinomori and he would just crack their skulls.

KekkIshi is still only slightly above the bottom tier, and that's not including the penalty points it gets for still being a kids snow.

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Okay first what you do is trolling,

@Ben second have you realized what you just said?

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Yes he is.  I've reported him.  Tired of his crap.  If it is one thing I hate, it's being accuse of lying, or doing or being something I am not.  I am a very honest and upfront person.  If I hated this show, you'd know it.  Just go to FMA or Code Geass section, to see what I mean...

Which thing did I say do I need to realize what I said? *raised eyebrow* I say lots of things, you know!

[JZ42]

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SoulGovernorIchmaru wrote:

But, last I checked, it's not "trolling" to have an unpopular opinion... ugh. -_-

You do know I'm ben0119, right?

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Calling a this show good isn't trolling, calling it better than bleach isn't trolling, even calling it better than fma (blasphemy!) isn't trolling. But calling it the 4th best anime ever on AS is trolling. Well that and going on an alt to say that. Plus didn't you say you love wolf's rain? How would this show beat that? Oh and posting on an alt doesn't help either

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zoid9000 wrote:

What little of Bleach I saw was fairly generic and Brotherhood, while very good, didn't really evoke the unique and creative sense that I found in Kekkaishi. The characters and the presentation are fairly unorthodox, despite the obvious comparisons between other shows in the genre.

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Bleach was generic and brotherhood wasn't creative but somehow kekkaishi was creative? Huh? How did you reach that conclusion? I mean overall quality aside I think the one thing everyone on this board has agreed on is that creativity is not kekkaishi's strong suit, boxes aside. I mean how is brotherhood creative, but kekkaishi is?

[SangoSubduer]

Ah yes, I forgot, disagreeing with people is 'trolling'.  Right. 

I'm on alt because my main is temp banned for flaming...

*CARL SIGH* -_-

[YouFailAtLife]

Well, lookee here, another thread about how Kekkaishi is better than Bleach, and another gaggle of users who think it's "trolling."

I've seen this movie before.

[JZ42]

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SangoSubduer wrote:

Ah yes, I forgot, disagreeing with people is 'trolling'.  Right. 

I'm on alt because my main is temp banned for flaming...

*CARL SIGH* -_-

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what you do this time ben? lol

Its not the disagreeing, its the going against stuff you've previously said. I cannot believe that you'd put this show on 4th when you've said before it certainly wasn't the best anime you've seen, but you thought it was good. I mean wolf's rain, trigun, flcl, the original fma, kenshin (it counts), and death note all all inferior to this show to you? I can see some of those show's being seen as inferior (not to me). But all of them? Burn the witch!!!

[Oralhime]

Don't make him summon his Decalogue Text Force Sword!  It will take fifty kajillion posts to explain it with 80k character max limit each.  You really want him to explain it?  His rambling is even tough for a straight A honors student like yours truly to follow, Mr JayzeeFortyTwo! T___T

[Jeebus201]

Your main gets banned for flaming, so you use an alt to troll.

Huh.

Kekkaishi the show is a troll so its "fans" being trolls on both sides fits.

[JZ42]

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Oralhime wrote:

Don't make him summon his Decalogue Text Force Sword!  It will take fifty kajillion posts to explain it with 80k character max limit each.  You really want him to explain it?  His rambling is even tough for a straight A honors student like yours truly to follow, Mr JayzeeFortyTwo! T___T

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lol bring it on! I'm ready for it.

But it also doesn't help that there's a thread called "better than bleach" that it quite active. Its like when all the fans were pissed at the haters for making multiple "kekkaishi **grok**" threads. He could have easily brought this thread there.

[zoid9000]

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JZ42 wrote:

 
Bleach was generic and brotherhood wasn't creative but somehow kekkaishi was creative? Huh? How did you reach that conclusion? I mean overall quality aside I think the one thing everyone on this board has agreed on is that creativity is not kekkaishi's strong suit, boxes aside. I mean how is brotherhood creative, but kekkaishi is?

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Like I said in my original post, I'm pretty biased because I've read a fair chunk of the manga where it really builds upon what happens in the anime. That being said, the kekkaishi's powers are the main part of the creativity I'm speaking of. All of the battles tend to be really interesting based on how the characters adapt and use their abilities, which is more than I can say for most other shounen where it usually comes down to who can swing a sword the fastest. Furthermore, the plot is actually pretty complex especially when the manga starts going into the true origins of Karasumori and that affect that has upon Yoshimori and co. 

As for Brotherhood, I didn't say it wasn't creative, I just meant it didn't evoke my interest in the way that Kekkaishi does. That's mainly due to the fact that Brotherhood (while having a very different plot) doesn't use the alchemy power too differently than the original series did, and back then it was pretty influencial. Right now though? Not quite as much. 

[JZ42]

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zoid9000 wrote:

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JZ42 wrote:

 
Bleach was generic and brotherhood wasn't creative but somehow kekkaishi was creative? Huh? How did you reach that conclusion? I mean overall quality aside I think the one thing everyone on this board has agreed on is that creativity is not kekkaishi's strong suit, boxes aside. I mean how is brotherhood creative, but kekkaishi is?

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Like I said in my original post, I'm pretty biased because I've read a fair chunk of the manga where it really builds upon what happens in the anime. That being said, the kekkaishi's powers are the main part of the creativity I'm speaking of. All of the battles tend to be really interesting based on how the characters adapt and use their abilities, which is more than I can say for most other shounen where it usually comes down to who can swing a sword the fastest. Furthermore, the plot is actually pretty complex especially when the manga starts going into the true origins of Karasumori and that affect that has upon Yoshimori and co. 

As for Brotherhood, I didn't say it wasn't creative, I just meant it didn't evoke my interest in the way that Kekkaishi does. That's mainly due to the fact that Brotherhood (while having a very different plot) doesn't use the alchemy power too differently than the original series did, and back then it was pretty influencial. Right now though? Not quite as much. 

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"Brotherhood, while very good, didn't really evoke the unique and creative sense that I found in Kekkaishi" -you

Well like I said I haven't read the manga, as far as I know this is anime to anime comparison. But if we were, the original fma anime isn't the original manga, so it would be the first anime that didn't change much by your logic =/

As for the powers being enough to call it creative I guess I'll just have to respectfully disagree. Too much was lifted from other shonen for this show to make it's own image. I honestly don't remember much from more than 3 episodes back of this show anymore. I feel kekkaishi didn't pick up on that you have to add in your own ideas and concepts along with the old ones. Though it doesn't help that I tend to be more char focused. It doesn't matter to me if swords, boxes, or vending machines/stop signs are the method of combat. Not that creativity there is wasted though.

[KnightStar]

You seriously need to watch some Gurren Lagann if you think any fight in Kekkashi deserves to be praised.

There that sentance is your sheep, now back to your bridge.

[Galliao]

You have to understand that many will consider ths trolling mostly because of how enamoured you are with a single episode that - in my opinion - wasn't that spectacular. But to go as far as to say ".. best anime I've seen in years", many would expect more reasoning to be given as to why it's so great in your eyes. But if you do feel that this is the best anime to grace your television in years, then it's fine for you to hold that opinion. Unfortuntely, you and I have vastly different tastes, as I was not nearly as captivated by this episode (or this anime) as you.

However, I can agree that this week Bleach (mostly a flashback episode) nor FMA:B were very memorible, but I'd still give the nod to FMA:B mostly because of its storytelling. I care more for the doctor in FMA, who has barely been on, more than Yoshi and Company by far.

Edit: And yeah, the alt didn't help the trolling assumption!

[SoulGovernorIchmaru]

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JZ42 wrote:

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Oralhime wrote:

Don't make him summon his Decalogue Text Force Sword!  It will take fifty kajillion posts to explain it with 80k character max limit each.  You really want him to explain it?  His rambling is even tough for a straight A honors student like yours truly to follow, Mr JayzeeFortyTwo! T___T

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lol bring it on! I'm ready for it.

But it also doesn't help that there's a thread called "better than bleach" that it quite active. Its like when all the fans were pissed at the haters for making multiple "kekkaishi **grok**" threads. He could have easily brought this thread there.

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Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.  *cracks knuckles*

Alright.

FMA and FMA Bro'hood are both good, maybe even great shows.  But, both have serious flaws.  The first obviously being that it is an alternate telling, largely filler series.  Brotherhood is extremely sub par and half-assed.. cutting out manga material, rushing and condensing things, it's almost as bad as InuYasha Final Act, in this regard.  They could have had the perfect, definitive FMA.  But, they messed it up.

InuYasha and Bleach are both great, and have good action, comedy, romance, drama, the whole shebang.  They are similar to Kekkaishi, and FM.  Yu Yu Hakusho and Kenshin?  Okay, those are better than Kekkaishi, so is RAVE.  But, RAVE is pretty much the best manga ever, besides maybe Dragonball, so... that's a moot point.  But, I don't call RAVE my favorite MANGA for nothing.  Kekkaishi would probably one of my fave Animes, in the top 20... but Manga would be in the top five.  For the same reason as RAVE.  Both are 52 episode series that were canceled/stopped production, for whatever reason, but the Manga continued... into the greatest story by a Mangaka ever told.  Hiro Mashima is truly a legendary, great man.  If there is a Mangaka Hall of Fame in Asia... he should be in it.  He's better than any of these other jokers like Oda, Arikawa, Kishimoto... maybe even better than Toriyama.  Okay.. he is better than Toriyama.  But, Dragonball is still a great Manga and the original series, Dragonball, will always stay my favorite Anime, period, in all likelihood.

Kekkaishi is very similar to the original Dragonball.  Both started off episodic, rather fluffy and light, with lots of comedy and situational, slice-of-life-ish hilarity.. but slowly, the drama built, continuity building up, things came together... Yamcha's **grok** voice is cool... you get the point.

And it doesn't hurt that Kekkaishi has the most lovingly crafted and identifiable, fully fleshed out and sympathetic characters in Anime in well over ten years.  Only the original Dragonball, Myazaki films, The top AS tier masterpiece shows, RAVE, Yu Yu Hakusho, Moribito, maybe... MAYBE Bleach... Kubo just.. doesn't do a good job of showing that he actually loves his characters.. he really needs to spend more time on what he has and stop making more factions and characters and stuff.  Shows like FMA: Brotherhood, One Piece, Naruto... feel emtpy, shallow, and lacking of a heart and soul that only something special like Kekkaishi, or the original Dragonball possess.  It's intangible.  You can't be taught how to make stories these great... you just... do.  Toriyama did, and now Yellow Tanabe follows in his footsteps.  Finally, a worth successor to the Mangaka thrown, and an end to sub par anime and Manga, and I have Hiro Mashima, Tite Kubo, and Yellow Tanabe to thank.

I love Gen, I love Yoshi, I love Tokine... I even love the bad guys and the cake ghost... I love Kekkaishi.  Gen is just like me.  Yoshi is like a friend I have... Tokine is like a girl I know... Gen's life story mirrors mine.  I might be biased, but gosh darn it... I love that show! *cries epic manly Isshin tears of joy*

[Jeebus201]

I know for a fact you don't believe a **grok** word of that rambling, inane rant which gives way too much credit to garbage series like Rave and says Kekkaishi is anything except troll bait.

Which, considering that that batch of lies and deciet was troll bait, only adds to the irony of it all.

[JZ42]

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SoulGovernorIchmaru wrote:

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JZ42 wrote:

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Oralhime wrote:

Don't make him summon his Decalogue Text Force Sword!  It will take fifty kajillion posts to explain it with 80k character max limit each.  You really want him to explain it?  His rambling is even tough for a straight A honors student like yours truly to follow, Mr JayzeeFortyTwo! T___T

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lol bring it on! I'm ready for it.

But it also doesn't help that there's a thread called "better than bleach" that it quite active. Its like when all the fans were pissed at the haters for making multiple "kekkaishi **grok**" threads. He could have easily brought this thread there.

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Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.  *cracks knuckles*

Alright.

FMA and FMA Bro'hood are both good, maybe even great shows.  But, both have serious flaws.  The first obviously being that it is an alternate telling, largely filler series.  Brotherhood is extremely sub par and half-assed.. cutting out manga material, rushing and condensing things, it's almost as bad as InuYasha Final Act, in this regard.  They could have had the perfect, definitive FMA.  But, they messed it up.

InuYasha and Bleach are both great, and have good action, comedy, romance, drama, the whole shebang.  They are similar to Kekkaishi, and FM.  Yu Yu Hakusho and Kenshin?  Okay, those are better than Kekkaishi, so is RAVE.  But, RAVE is pretty much the best manga ever, besides maybe Dragonball, so... that's a moot point.  But, I don't call RAVE my favorite MANGA for nothing.  Kekkaishi would probably one of my fave Animes, in the top 20... but Manga would be in the top five.  For the same reason as RAVE.  Both are 52 episode series that were canceled/stopped production, for whatever reason, but the Manga continued... into the greatest story by a Mangaka ever told.  Hiro Mashima is truly a legendary, great man.  If there is a Mangaka Hall of Fame in Asia... he should be in it.  He's better than any of these other jokers like Oda, Arikawa, Kishimoto... maybe even better than Toriyama.  Okay.. he is better than Toriyama.  But, Dragonball is still a great Manga and the original series, Dragonball, will always stay my favorite Anime, period, in all likelihood.

Kekkaishi is very similar to the original Dragonball.  Both started off episodic, rather fluffy and light, with lots of comedy and situational, slice-of-life-ish hilarity.. but slowly, the drama built, continuity building up, things came together... Yamcha's **grok** voice is cool... you get the point.

And it doesn't hurt that Kekkaishi has the most lovingly crafted and identifiable, fully fleshed out and sympathetic characters in Anime in well over ten years.  Only the original Dragonball, Myazaki films, The top AS tier masterpiece shows, RAVE, Yu Yu Hakusho, Moribito, maybe... MAYBE Bleach... Kubo just.. doesn't do a good job of showing that he actually loves his characters.. he really needs to spend more time on what he has and stop making more factions and characters and stuff.  Shows like FMA: Brotherhood, One Piece, Naruto... feel emtpy, shallow, and lacking of a heart and soul that only something special like Kekkaishi, or the original Dragonball possess.  It's intangible.  You can't be taught how to make stories these great... you just... do.  Toriyama did, and now Yellow Tanabe follows in his footsteps.  Finally, a worth successor to the Mangaka thrown, and an end to sub par anime and Manga, and I have Hiro Mashima, Tite Kubo, and Yellow Tanabe to thank.

I love Gen, I love Yoshi, I love Tokine... I even love the bad guys and the cake ghost... I love Kekkaishi.  Gen is just like me.  Yoshi is like a friend I have... Tokine is like a girl I know... Gen's life story mirrors mine.  I might be biased, but gosh darn it... I love that show! *cries epic manly Isshin tears of joy*

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So in other words mati was involved in making kekkaishi becasue it has so much HEART!? Also you didn't cover most of the shows I mentioned, bleach wasn't even on the list. And I thought we were talking about ASA shows, and not just shonen. And if its in you're top 20 that's at least believable, top 4 wasn't, dunno bout manga.

Well as for Brotherhood, what were they supossed to do? Redo everything the first anime already covered? People would be pissed no matter what. Final act is a sequal, brotherhood is a reboot basically. That's apples to oranges comparison right there. And I admit brotherhood has flaws, but did you really just list it with naruto? And wow one piece shallow and empty?

Even I wouln't call bleach a masterpiece by far. Ann yo-.....wait...most fleshed out characters in the last ten years? ten years? So...you're sayin that there has rarely been a charachter more fleshed out than yoshi...in over ten years? I'm just gonna stop right there. My internal troll detector is going crazy (as a part time troll I have one of those). Well played...well played indeed

[JZ42]

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Jeebus201 wrote:

I know for a fact you don't believe a **grok** word of that rambling, inane rant which gives way too much credit to garbage series like Rave and says Kekkaishi is anything except troll bait.

Which, considering that that batch of lies and deciet was troll bait, only adds to the irony of it all.

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oh noes I thought this was serious buisness

Oh and sorry for dbl post but editor won't trasnlate my post out of html and I don't feel like remembering it.