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So that means Masamori was

16 during the events of the first episode. He's 21 when he first appears right? Where exactly did he go and what age did he actually leave I wonder. And why didn't they stop him? As I was watching ep 1 again and they mentioned Masamori, I thought about how young he must have been during this.

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Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.
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boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.

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JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 

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Masamori apparently dropped out of school when he was 16 years old. ;p

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boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 

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JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 

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boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.
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JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

Spoiler

Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 

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boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

Spoiler

Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


Spoiler

Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 

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JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

Spoiler

Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


Spoiler

Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 


Spoiler
The incident which killed Tokine's dad occurred when they were both adults on patrol.  And with Tokine, you could say that the ayakashi was weak, since they were able to trap him and eventually destroy him.  It could be assumed that if they were remotely monitoring the situation with their Karasumori sense, they could have determined that it shouldn't have been a problem; it was the momentary weakness of Yoshimori that allowed it to be in a position to hurt her.  And you are also correct in observing that strength is not the criterion of who receives the houin - it is not necessarily given to the strongest, nor the weakest, although Masamori admits Grandpa to be stronger than himself and Yoshimori is really strong but undisciplined in the Kekkaishi methods.  Tokine is the weak one in terms of power, but her self-discipline in training and skill level can overcome that to a point.
You actually seem to know a bit about the manga storyline, like the shikigami(s?) that is sent by Yoshimori's mother.  Did you do a little reading?

 

 

 

 

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boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

Spoiler

Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


Spoiler

Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 


Spoiler
The incident which killed Tokine's dad occurred when they were both adults on patrol.  And with Tokine, you could say that the ayakashi was weak, since they were able to trap him and eventually destroy him.  It could be assumed that if they were remotely monitoring the situation with their Karasumori sense, they could have determined that it shouldn't have been a problem; it was the momentary weakness of Yoshimori that allowed it to be in a position to hurt her.  And you are also correct in observing that strength is not the criterion of who receives the houin - it is not necessarily given to the strongest, nor the weakest, although Masamori admits Grandpa to be stronger than himself and Yoshimori is really strong but undisciplined in the Kekkaishi methods.  Tokine is the weak one in terms of power, but her self-discipline in training and skill level can overcome that to a point.
You actually seem to know a bit about the manga storyline, like the shikigami(s?) that is sent by Yoshimori's mother.  Did you do a little reading?

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 


I don't read the manga, but I know people that do and I looked up the plot after the anime to see if it sounded better than the anime, which it at least does sound better.

 

Everytime we see the grandparents reacting to something more dangerous, they are in their bed sleeping...hardly on alert. Then there's the fact that yoshi's moment of weakness was a direct result of them leaving a 9 year old to fight demons. Hell the whole thing wasn't even his fault, tokine was the older one...though 11 isn't much better than 9.

 

Yea if I recall the hoin mark basically goes to the one with the power of HEART!!!!! lol

 

 

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JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

Spoiler

Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


Spoiler

Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 


Spoiler
The incident which killed Tokine's dad occurred when they were both adults on patrol.  And with Tokine, you could say that the ayakashi was weak, since they were able to trap him and eventually destroy him.  It could be assumed that if they were remotely monitoring the situation with their Karasumori sense, they could have determined that it shouldn't have been a problem; it was the momentary weakness of Yoshimori that allowed it to be in a position to hurt her.  And you are also correct in observing that strength is not the criterion of who receives the houin - it is not necessarily given to the strongest, nor the weakest, although Masamori admits Grandpa to be stronger than himself and Yoshimori is really strong but undisciplined in the Kekkaishi methods.  Tokine is the weak one in terms of power, but her self-discipline in training and skill level can overcome that to a point.
You actually seem to know a bit about the manga storyline, like the shikigami(s?) that is sent by Yoshimori's mother.  Did you do a little reading?

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 


I don't read the manga, but I know people that do and I looked up the plot after the anime to see if it sounded better than the anime, which it at least does sound better.

 

Everytime we see the grandparents reacting to something more dangerous, they are in their bed sleeping...hardly on alert. Then there's the fact that yoshi's moment of weakness was a direct result of them leaving a 9 year old to fight demons. Hell the whole thing wasn't even his fault, tokine was the older one...though 11 isn't much better than 9.

 

Yea if I recall the hoin mark basically goes to the one with the power of HEART!!!!! lol

 

 


There was that one episode in the anime where the grandparents woke up and were alert when Masamori used to power of Kurohime to search out of the caster of those bird-spy shikigami.  I think they were attuned to the happenings and exertions of power around them, even when they appeared to be sleeping (hey, no spoiler tags for this one :smileyhappy:).

 

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boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:

 


JZ42 wrote:

boborudnik wrote:
Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


Spoiler

 

From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

Spoiler

Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


Spoiler
I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

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Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


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Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 


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The incident which killed Tokine's dad occurred when they were both adults on patrol.  And with Tokine, you could say that the ayakashi was weak, since they were able to trap him and eventually destroy him.  It could be assumed that if they were remotely monitoring the situation with their Karasumori sense, they could have determined that it shouldn't have been a problem; it was the momentary weakness of Yoshimori that allowed it to be in a position to hurt her.  And you are also correct in observing that strength is not the criterion of who receives the houin - it is not necessarily given to the strongest, nor the weakest, although Masamori admits Grandpa to be stronger than himself and Yoshimori is really strong but undisciplined in the Kekkaishi methods.  Tokine is the weak one in terms of power, but her self-discipline in training and skill level can overcome that to a point.
You actually seem to know a bit about the manga storyline, like the shikigami(s?) that is sent by Yoshimori's mother.  Did you do a little reading?

 

 

 

 

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I don't read the manga, but I know people that do and I looked up the plot after the anime to see if it sounded better than the anime, which it at least does sound better.

 

Everytime we see the grandparents reacting to something more dangerous, they are in their bed sleeping...hardly on alert. Then there's the fact that yoshi's moment of weakness was a direct result of them leaving a 9 year old to fight demons. Hell the whole thing wasn't even his fault, tokine was the older one...though 11 isn't much better than 9.

 

Yea if I recall the hoin mark basically goes to the one with the power of HEART!!!!! lol

 

 


There was that one episode in the anime where the grandparents woke up and were alert when Masamori used to power of Kurohime to search out of the caster of those bird-spy shikigami.  I think they were attuned to the happenings and exertions of power around them, even when they appeared to be sleeping (hey, no spoiler tags for this one :smileyhappy:).

 


sleeping or half sleeping in bed =/= on alert in case sht goes wrong. And they have been shown several times in the anime being woken up because something happened...and they always arrive after everything resolves itself. If it weren't for masa and night troops, they probobly would have both been killed off by yoki lol. No wonder Masa left the grandparents...I dunno how even he made it though childhood alive under the grandparent's "guidance" :smileytongue:

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Re: So that means Masamori was

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Well, he must have gone and joined the Night Troops, to feed info back to Gramps, and we know that they took youth with powers. Wow, what long-term planning! I do seem to remember that Shigemori stated he was against the idea of Masamori becoming part of the council, so the leadership role that he worked himself into wasn't part of the original plan.

I took it as the equivalent of masa joining the army. Since he didn't wanna live under his idiot grandfather's rule and be in his younger, weaker, idiotic brother's shadow for his life.

 

here's a bigger question....where was their mother when yoshi was only 9 (I know why, but still seems kinda stupid)?! Last time we saw her he was what 7? Totally wouldn't leave a kid with abandonment issues lol.


Depends on how much of the "I know why" you actually know

 


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From what I know she left on some quest to learn how to seal karasumouri...which meant yoshi's "revoloutionary idea" (ok so it never said it was but everyone acted so shocked at the idea). So she had good intentions, but unless I missed something, leaving your kid alone with a borderline abusive grandfather is still not a good idea :smileytongue:

 

 


 

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Do you also know who asked her to do this?  If you don't, it would be sort of like if an artist was asked to leave everything behind and go wherever asked to be the only student of da Vinci. :smileywink:

 

 

 


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I did not but from your hint I'm guessin it was tokimori? Thought I thought she had her own motives to do this so her kids wouldn't have to fight ayakashi at karasumouri and all that? But even so, leaving your kid to fight demons with only the help of an 11 year old girl does not seem wise parenting.

 

 

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Correct guess.  As for the parenting part, it happens all the time now, it's called the US Army, in Afghanistan for over 10 years now, and people who've been there the whole time is not an uncommon case.  She got sent by someone by whom she was taught was the reason for her existence, a situation very hard to refuse.  And it's clear that Grandpa and Grandma were prepared to step in if things ever got out of hand.  Tokimori's reason for this mission was "interesting" to say the least, but let's just say it wasn't exactly altruistic.

 

 

 

 


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Yea but when you go into the US army, you generally aren't leaving your kid to fight demons by themselves. Grandma and Grampa obviously didn't step in when tokine's dad died or when she got cut up....seriously she'd have been better leaving behind one of those paper clones than trust the grandparents (doesn't she do that later?) I also find it interesting that tokimori asked her, since she's not a possible heir....but then again....it seems like those with the mark turn out to be weak compared to masa and yoshi's mom lol

 

 


Spoiler
The incident which killed Tokine's dad occurred when they were both adults on patrol.  And with Tokine, you could say that the ayakashi was weak, since they were able to trap him and eventually destroy him.  It could be assumed that if they were remotely monitoring the situation with their Karasumori sense, they could have determined that it shouldn't have been a problem; it was the momentary weakness of Yoshimori that allowed it to be in a position to hurt her.  And you are also correct in observing that strength is not the criterion of who receives the houin - it is not necessarily given to the strongest, nor the weakest, although Masamori admits Grandpa to be stronger than himself and Yoshimori is really strong but undisciplined in the Kekkaishi methods.  Tokine is the weak one in terms of power, but her self-discipline in training and skill level can overcome that to a point.
You actually seem to know a bit about the manga storyline, like the shikigami(s?) that is sent by Yoshimori's mother.  Did you do a little reading?

 

 

 

 

Spoiler

 


I don't read the manga, but I know people that do and I looked up the plot after the anime to see if it sounded better than the anime, which it at least does sound better.

 

Everytime we see the grandparents reacting to something more dangerous, they are in their bed sleeping...hardly on alert. Then there's the fact that yoshi's moment of weakness was a direct result of them leaving a 9 year old to fight demons. Hell the whole thing wasn't even his fault, tokine was the older one...though 11 isn't much better than 9.

 

Yea if I recall the hoin mark basically goes to the one with the power of HEART!!!!! lol

 

 


There was that one episode in the anime where the grandparents woke up and were alert when Masamori used to power of Kurohime to search out of the caster of those bird-spy shikigami.  I think they were attuned to the happenings and exertions of power around them, even when they appeared to be sleeping (hey, no spoiler tags for this one :smileyhappy:).

 


sleeping or half sleeping in bed =/= on alert in case sht goes wrong. And they have been shown several times in the anime being woken up because something happened...and they always arrive after everything resolves itself. If it weren't for masa and night troops, they probobly would have both been killed off by yoki lol. No wonder Masa left the grandparents...I dunno how even he made it though childhood alive under the grandparent's "guidance" :smileytongue:


Masamori's too badass to be killed, dammit!  He's pretty badass in the manga, too, and not only because of his powers and skills.

 

 

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Re: So that means Masamori was

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I think he ends up staying and working the family thing with protecting the school but im not sure if he does i have only seen the season episodes they show online and what they put on ad befor it restarted the season

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Masamori apparently dropped out of school when he was 16 years old. ;p



He is way different than Yoshimori* lol. Total opposites.

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