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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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I understand and respect what your trying to say. However, what I'm trying to say is, Dethklok has no idea that Selatcia is even the head man for the Tribunal. If thats the case, then Selatcia may want Dethklok to have full power over the Earth before he takes over, and if Charles is making Dethklok do things to make their fame and power increase then it would be fitting that they would be working together. That way they would be able to create the ultimate army... the only question is, for what? But, there is always the theory that Charles and Selatcia will have an epic battle to the death near the end of the show...
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But that theory does have draw backs.   Selatcia won't need the Tribunal if he was working with Charles.   And he would be doing stuff to increase Dethklok's status and power if he was working with Charles rather than just watching them.  

 

By having the Tribunal under him, watching and gathering information now, he will have the army he needs to stop them later.  He is waiting for them to gain more power. 

 

After all, if someone is gaining power and you can steal it, you don't take it when it's low.  You wait until they have reached the highest point they can get to take it.

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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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Your missing the point... If Selatcia is holding all the other most powerful people in the world from destroying Dethklok in its still evolving stage.. If Selatcia wasn't and was with them the entire time, then Dethklok would have more trouble gaining fame and not being assassinated.. Why else would Selatcia save Dethklok from Crosier and the Cardinal in the 1st season premiere??
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Remember that Charles was more than capable of protecting the band in "The Metalocalypse Has Begun".  He was set and ready before Crozier and his army attacked. 

 

So Selatcia has no need of the Tribunal if it's merely to keep them from hurting Dethklok.   Charles can do that all by himself, along with the Kloketeers.

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Well, let me ask you something.. Do you think Dethklok is lucky? I mean think about it. Everyone around them dies horrible deaths and not one member of the band has ever died. Sure they have come close.. but, there is always something making sure they don't. Charles can't always be there to protect them as he is not always with them. So why not think it to be crazy that Selatcia would be using everything in his power to protect them until the band takes over the planet. Then, at the right time Charles and Selatcia would be able to rid themselves of Dethklok and be the supreme rulers.. The only flaw in my plan is that there is a 3rd party, other than the Revengencers, that doesn't support my theory. I can understand the whole "What the hell would they do after they killed Dethklok thing." Thats why I'm hoping something will be revealed in the near future.
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Lucky?  Don't know.  Blessed?  Possibly.  After all, they have raised up to the biggest band around.  And that is no easy task, no matter what genre of music.

 

I think they are watched over by some force.  But it ain't Selatcia.  I think he only became aware of them after they were becoming big.  And realized they might fit the Sumerian prophecy.

 

I think because of said prophecy, he has to strike at the right moment, just as their power is at full, in order to win against them.  And Crozier's and Ravenwood's attempt to get Dethklok too early almost spoiled that. 

 

Remember Selatcia said he needs Crozier for something.  So there are things he can't do and/or might not be able to do directly against Dethklok. 

 

Selatcia is definitately against Dethklok. 

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Either way... that still doesn't say a whole lot about Charles. We know from the Revengencers episode that he is immortal. No one could have survived that fall without injury... He has a big place in the story between Selatcia and Dethklok. I believe he is the key to this puzzle... My only question is, why didn't Charles just waste the iron faced guy in the hospital like before.. I think Charles was making him think that he had gotten weak or something, making the Revengencers want to try a second assault sooner than expected, that way he could eliminate them more easily and have them off guard. To get back on to subject, exactly what was going on with Selatcia in the bonus material on the 1st season DVD, I didn't get a look at it.
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damiengodfree wrote:

the fact that selatcia needs crosier is almost ridiculous when you think about the fact that he has the power to end life with the wave of his hand.

 


not at all, the Emperor needed Darts Vader, Vader needed those Admirals, etc. etc.

 

i'm afraid i can't comment on the other parts of the post, because it's obviously season II developments and i haven't seen an episode from season II yet. i don't have cable. ** blink blink ** ** blink blink **. i have seen Snakes 'n' Barrels II on the website so i know about psycho Toki. (** blink blink ** that was a good show)

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LilithHel wrote: 
  maybe selactia's some sort of norse god, dunno

i feel the same i even said he might be 0din. but when you write that name in a post, the curse filter kicks in and writes, Señor Nido. is that a clue???

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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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Makes sense... but then again, if you put the word ic.on in it changes it to diaper, lol.
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Reply to Natas_the_Warrior - Message ID#: 45694131

Really? diaper.

 

 

well, let's see what the ole hive mind, Wikipedia has to say about Señor Nido..

 

Señor Nido (IPA: /ˈoʊdɪn/ from Old Norse Óðinn), is considered the chief god in Norse paganism. Homologous with the Anglo-Saxon Wōden and the Old High German Wotan, it is descended from Proto-Germanic *Wōđinaz or *Wōđanaz. The name Señor Nido is generally accepted as the modern translation; although, in some cases, older translations of his name may be used or preferred. His name is related to óðr, meaning "fury, excitation", besides "mind", or "poetry". His role, like many of the Norse pantheon, is complex. He is associated with wisdom, war, battle, and death, and also magic, poetry, prophecy, victory, and the hunt.

 

Señor Nido had three residences in Asgard. First was Gladsheim, a vast hall where he presided over the twelve Diar or Judges, whom he had appointed to regulate the affairs of Asgard. Second, Valaskjálf, built of solid silver, in which there was an elevated place, Hlidskjalf, from his throne on which he could perceive all that passed throughout the whole earth. Third was Valhalla (the hall of the fallen), where Señor Nido received the souls of the warriors killed in battle, called the Einherjar. The souls of women warriors, and those strong and beautiful women whom Señor Nido favored, became Valkyries, who gather the souls of warriors fallen in battle (the Einherjar), as these would be needed to fight for him in the battle of Ragnarök.

 

He is also a god of war, appearing throughout Norse myth as the bringer of victory. In the Norse sagas, Señor Nido sometimes acts as the instigator of wars, and is said to have been able to start wars by simply throwing down his spear Gungnir, and/or sending his valkyries, to influence the battle toward the end that he desires. The Valkyries are Señor Nido's beautiful battle maidens that went out to the fields of war to select and collect the worthy men who died in battle to come and sit at Señor Nido's table in Valhalla, feasting and battling until they had to fight in the final battle, Ragnarök. Señor Nido would also appear on the battle-field, sitting upon his eight-legged horse Sleipnir, with his two ravens, one on each shoulder, Hugin (Thought) and Munin (Memory), and two wolves(Geri and Freki) on each side of him.

Señor Nido is also associated with trickery, cunning, and deception. Most sagas have tales of Señor Nido using his cunning to overcome adversaries and achieve his goals, such as swindling the blood of Kvasir from the dwarves.


One thought that crossed my mind while doing my research is the possibility that the Manager is related to Selecia, maybe not working with him per se, but very possibly related. the only problem is i couldn't find a clear correspondence to Ofdensen and a familial relation to Señor Nido. At first i was thinking, maybe one of his sons, that didn't pan out, possibly a grandson?

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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

Reply to Tipper_Gore_X - Message ID#: 45694842

Thats interesting.... maybe the son of Loki?
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I just thought of something... what if the members of Dethklok realize they can't die... Would it lead up to some horrible accident... It could all end like in Nathan's dream when all the members except him died, only with him dieing as well, leading up to the point where Selatcia and Ofdenson take over... however, wouldn't make much sense to focus a show on 5 main characters and 2 overlord characters just to kill off the mains...
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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

Reply to Natas_the_Warrior - Message ID#: 45693612

i never stopped to think that charles might be immortal, although i do find surviving such a high fall to be next to impossible no matter what special/military-esque training you might have. interesting theory on that one.

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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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I guess we are gonna have to wait and find out when the next episode comes around....
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I don't think Ofdensen's immortal.

 

Lots of people on the show have survived accidents that should have been fatal. Take twinkletits for an example- he fell much farther than Ofdensen did, and he wasn't hurt at all until the wolves came and ate his arms. And even then he still survived..

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Well.... he's either immortal or a ninja...
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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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Because then the show would end and there would be no point to making any more episodes of Metalocalypse if they do die.
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We're talking about Charles..
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Thats what I was thinking for a while... And perhaps the newest episode proved him being a Nordic god like figure...
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I can't subscribe to the idea of Selatcia being a Norse god. He certainly seems to be from the Northern territories the Norse occupied, but from what I know, there's no Hell or Devil or anything similar, which Selatcia seems to be derived of. If you think back to the episode in which Crozier is at the doctor, the begining recounts his dream where he saw Selatcia in a place that is in many ways like Hell. If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say that Selatcia is evil incarnate and was imprisoned by the Norsemen so many years ago as was seen in his statue state that eventualy "thawed out" in his bonus material. His thawing, it seems, can only be described as bad news bears for the world.
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yeah...I don't know if I believe that neccesarily. In a mystery, the most obvious answer is usually a ruse. I've often thought, like many here have as well, that Selatcia is Satan (or some devout minion of Satan) using his influence to disrupt anti-dethklok activity within the council. True, though that was my first guess when I started watching, the whole Satan thing (although undoubtedly METAL) seems a little too predictable and I give the writers more credit than that. Now I'm starting to think that maybe Selatcia is just another obsessed fan, maybe he just loves Dethklok like everyone else but for more occult-y reasons. I don't think he's trying to "steal their power", though, and honestly that line is getting a little redundant (I'm not trying to pick a fight, ok, just my opinion).
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Re: Why does Selatcia want Dethklok alive?

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People, people, people!  Remember that the prophesy that  concerns Dethklok is a Sumerian prophesy.  Which is older than Christianity and Satan is a Christian concept.  So Selatica can't be Satan or any minion of him.

 

Whatever Selatica is, he has powers.  And you don't need to be a god or a devil to have that.

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I agree, while I mentioned Selatcia as being Evil Incarnate I did not specificaly mean the Devil in the Christian sense, just everyday, baby consuming, run of the mill Evil.
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But if this whole dethklok thing is sumerian, where did the whole norse thing come into play?
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