Moral Orel

[Dojack]

That's the name of the last episode...

 From the Wikipedia episode page, someone wrote down "Coach Stopframe helps Orel to 'Honor' his Father."

It seems like a nice episode...But I wonder how it'll play out as THE LAST episode.

Stopframe was obviously present when Clay and Censordoll had...uhh..The Two Tongue Twister together.

I wonder how he felt about that...

Does Danielle know the low, low, low situation that Clay is in?

 I think so.

Orel has been pretty cold to his father in 'Nesting', we finally see how Orel and his Father interact after the events of 'Nature'.

 I believe that this has had an effect of Clay, even his own son hates him now.

Perhaps Danielle will try to help Clay through Orel, we know that Danielle cares for him.

But, I'm just speculating, It could turn out completely different.

I know this, since most of my predictions about this show have been turned upside down.

Message Edited by Dojack on 11-20-2008 07:33 PM

[oboefreak]

...dangit, I accidentally spoiled "Nesting" for myself. My fault though, not yours, because I had a feeling that this was the last episode title and that there would probably be some references to "Nesting" in it.

But um...DANIELLE EPISODE MAYBE?!?!? Hot dam I've been waiting all season for this hahahaha! He was one of my favorites the first two seasons, his enigmatic-ness always intriuged me. 

I vote for Danielle slapping Clay. Repeatedly. From what I've read of the spoilers, seeing it for real tomorrow when it goes up on the fix, Clay really deserves to be slapped. 

Oh my god if this episode is even slightly Stopframe centric, I will be sooo happy. I mean that like in the way that "Offensiveness" was Censordoll centric - which is not really, but sort of. 

Ohhh I hope for Danielle's sake that this whole thing resolves itself. I mean seriously, the man has been obsessed with Clay for at least, what, eight/nine years now? (At least a while before Shapey was concieved - he was seven at the beginning of season 1.) 

And were the quotation marks around "honor" in the wiki? If so...oh dear, this will probably be interesting. Although this IS Stopframe we're talking about. 

[funky_branca]

I like the episode title. Hopefully it'll make for a great finale.

Now to be impatient for three weeks until it airs. :c

[spacepilot3001]

With this season being my favorite of all it better be.

[Dojack]

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oboefreak wrote:

...dangit, I accidentally spoiled "Nesting" for myself. My fault though, not yours, because I had a feeling that this was the last episode title and that there would probably be some references to "Nesting" in it.

But um...DANIELLE EPISODE MAYBE?!?!? Hot dam I've been waiting all season for this hahahaha! He was one of my favorites the first two seasons, his enigmatic-ness always intriuged me. 

I vote for Danielle slapping Clay. Repeatedly. From what I've read of the spoilers, seeing it for real tomorrow when it goes up on the fix, Clay really deserves to be slapped. 

Oh my god if this episode is even slightly Stopframe centric, I will be sooo happy. I mean that like in the way that "Offensiveness" was Censordoll centric - which is not really, but sort of. 

Ohhh I hope for Danielle's sake that this whole thing resolves itself. I mean seriously, the man has been obsessed with Clay for at least, what, eight/nine years now? (At least a while before Shapey was concieved - he was seven at the beginning of season 1.) 

And were the quotation marks around "honor" in the wiki? If so...oh dear, this will probably be interesting. Although this IS Stopframe we're talking about. 

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Eh, I kinda feel bad for spoiling the episode for you.

Like you said about "Offensiveness", I think that the episode will have Orel as the main character but Stopfrome as a Central Character, if you get what I mean.

I too am very interested in Danielle's reaction to the events in the ending of "Nesting".

Since, he was in Forghetty's with Clay about to..I won't really spoil it.

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but I check the wiki again before making this post.

Honor does'nt have quotes in it.

[Dojack]

You and the  Moral Orel community.

Message Edited by Dojack on 11-20-2008 09:12 PM

[oboefreak]

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Dojack wrote:

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oboefreak wrote:

...dangit, I accidentally spoiled "Nesting" for myself. My fault though, not yours, because I had a feeling that this was the last episode title and that there would probably be some references to "Nesting" in it.

But um...DANIELLE EPISODE MAYBE?!?!? Hot dam I've been waiting all season for this hahahaha! He was one of my favorites the first two seasons, his enigmatic-ness always intriuged me. 

I vote for Danielle slapping Clay. Repeatedly. From what I've read of the spoilers, seeing it for real tomorrow when it goes up on the fix, Clay really deserves to be slapped. 

Oh my god if this episode is even slightly Stopframe centric, I will be sooo happy. I mean that like in the way that "Offensiveness" was Censordoll centric - which is not really, but sort of. 

Ohhh I hope for Danielle's sake that this whole thing resolves itself. I mean seriously, the man has been obsessed with Clay for at least, what, eight/nine years now? (At least a while before Shapey was concieved - he was seven at the beginning of season 1.) 

And were the quotation marks around "honor" in the wiki? If so...oh dear, this will probably be interesting. Although this IS Stopframe we're talking about. 

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Eh, I kinda feel bad for spoiling the episode for you.

Like you said about "Offensiveness", I think that the episode will have Orel as the main character but Stopfrome as a Central Character, if you get what I mean.

I too am very interested in Danielle's reaction to the events in the ending of "Nesting".

Since, he was in Forghetty's with Clay about to..I won't really spoil it.

I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but I check the wiki again before making this post.

Honor does'nt have quotes in it.

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Don't feel bad. I was purposefully avoiding threads that looked like they were about the episode but I just couldn't help myself with this one.

Ahhh Danielle. alifeialrjsjiae I am so excited. I liked him a lot after "Satan" even though he ended up being a BIG-time creeper (not a shock) so I hope he does have a big role in this episode like the wiki says he does. 

And no quotes...dang! *snaps fingers* 

[DrSesame]

Honor goes up in the fix tomorrow? Along with Nesting, why would they show it so soon before the tv finale?
Was there a preview for this episode that I somehow missed?
It will really be Stopframe centric and he will help Orel save Clay?
Wow.. just wow, just what I imagined.

I knew Orel would be the one to save Clay, since perhaps he is one of the last to care for him, though Stopframe being there too would be PERFECT sense.

[HorseSteroids]

Stopframe is demented.  Him helping Orel honor Clay will probably end up in ritulistic sacrifice.

[DrSesame]

Last time Stopframe was seen, he was in church as in the episode 'Innocence', seeing how the only Satanists in Moralton (which is odd that they even exists there.)  already been proven to be distasteful for him. If anything that proved to him that no magic spells or ritual is going to get him Clay, not to mention in the end of 'Satan' he was happy just to have Clay pay attention to him.

[oboefreak]

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DrSesame wrote:

Last time Stopframe was seen, he was in church as in the episode 'Innocence', seeing how the only Satanists in Moralton (which is odd that they even exists there.)  already been proven to be distasteful for him. If anything that proved to him that no magic spells or ritual is going to get him Clay, not to mention in the end of 'Satan' he was happy just to have Clay pay attention to him.

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I agree, but I'm inclined to say that Stopframe has given up any form of religion completely. He realizes that neither God nor Satan is going to help him get Clay, at least at the end of "Satan". 

[HorseSteroids]

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oboefreak wrote:

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DrSesame wrote:

Last time Stopframe was seen, he was in church as in the episode 'Innocence', seeing how the only Satanists in Moralton (which is odd that they even exists there.)  already been proven to be distasteful for him. If anything that proved to him that no magic spells or ritual is going to get him Clay, not to mention in the end of 'Satan' he was happy just to have Clay pay attention to him.

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I agree, but I'm inclined to say that Stopframe has given up any form of religion completely. He realizes that neither God nor Satan is going to help him get Clay, at least at the end of "Satan". 

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But he is still a fan of goth erotica.  Either way, there will be blood.

[somedude248]

One way or another, Clay will die.

Sadly, 15 minutes will most likely not be enough to explain.  I fully blame Young Person's Guide to History.

[DrSesame]

Do you think Putty's message at the last Sermon will be relivant to the finale. 'When you see nothing.. have a little hope, will ya?'.
Perhaps foreshadowing the lack of a divine intervention only means the people or Moralton have to take action, instead of wishing it away?
In the end of 'The Best Christmas Ever' Orel was praying helplessly to God so that he'd fix things, I still think that there will be similiarties to the 'first' episode in the finale.

[oboefreak]

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DrSesame wrote:

Do you think Putty's message at the last Sermon will be relivant to the finale. 'When you see nothing.. have a little hope, will ya?'.
Perhaps foreshadowing the lack of a divine intervention only means the people or Moralton have to take action, instead of wishing it away?
In the end of 'The Best Christmas Ever' Orel was praying helplessly to God so that he'd fix things, I still think that there will be similiarties to the 'first' episode in the finale.

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I think a lot of things about this season makes it more "real" and less "supernatural/religious". Most of the episodes, if my memory serves me correctly, don't have God's hands in it as the opening. A lot of them fly through the clouds and...nothing. I think this is Orel waking up a little and realizing that God isn't going to fix everything, because he can't fix Clay and he isn't saving their family just by him praying for it to happen. 

Ohhh if Orel does something proactive towards his dad and not roll over and take it or just smarttalk him back, I am going to cry so hard I'd be so proud of him. Then again, crying at the finale of this season is basically a given. xD 

[DrSesame]

I just hope, if I do cry or get all weepy, they are more joyful then saddened. I mean of course I will be saddened by the ending, that there will be no more progression with these amazing characters. I just hope it'll be conclusive.

[oboefreak]

Oh, when it comes to MO, I cry at the drop of a hat. The end of Closeface, whenever I watch it, the very very end, has me in tears because I'm sooo happy for Orel, haha.

[Dojack]

Sorry for my absence from the boards.

Maybe, I think the whole point of the sermon was to 'cheer up' Orel.

After all Orel was 'Pure in it's purest form' according to Putty, seeing Orel like that made him feel...well...Hopeless.

 I was thinking...What if the finale actually led into 'The Best Christmas Ever'?

 There are some discrepancies though...

Maybe, like someone on the boards said before me, Orel dies from the infection from the bullet wound.

I think they sorta foreshadowed it in 'Nesting' when Orel was talking about the pain from the wound.

[DrSesame]

An infection? It'd proove why he isn't getting any better, but that'd be awful to see him pass.I can't imagine what kind of impact that'd have on his family. Somehow I feel Clay would be more upset then Bloberta if Orel died, despite all the bad things he did to him.
Would that mean the beginning was also the ending? I'm not sure if that is possible, it could have similiarities I see, except from Nesting, Stopframe isn't the one there to comfort Clay.Moreso, Clay has a new outlet for his anger and frustration, Censordoll, so I don't think he is going to be too concerned over his life-problems, or not as much.

It'd be interesting if Shapey (or Block too?) played some role in Daniel(le's) descion to help Orel.
In 'Sundays' it seemed to have foreshadowed changing events for all those characters, perhaps in Honor somehow they will have relief of they're issues too, alot of characters there so, not sure what will become of that.I'm guessing a Montage of 'things changing' if such a thing happens.

[oboefreak]

So guys.

I was searching around the internet, like I usually do, searching about Io Perry because I was actually looking for Saturday, and I stumbled upon this:

"The song, Valentine, from Split Yourself in Two will be featured in an upcoming episode of the Cartoon Network’s cult classic, Moral Orel, a stop-animation show on Adult Swim. The song, Saturday, off of Greybay was also used in season two of Moral Orel."

source

Has this been in a different episode and I didn't notice it? Or is it for sure in the last episode? I listened to the song on youtube and it's...uh...kinda bleak. Although at this point I guess that's to be expected. 

Possible spoiler maybe, more like speculation:

Does that mean that Clay is going to kill himself? D: That's what the song sort of seems like it's about.

[moozeditty]

Very pretty song.  I will try no to dwell on the lyrics implications... dammit, brain, stop it...

[funky_branca]

I clicked your link, I read the MO mention, I put the song on.

I'm already crying.

[oboefreak]

The implications of that song are tearing my heart apart.

My first thought was Clay killing himself, but it's also possible that it's Stopframe or Orel. One of the three for sure, though, and one is definitely dying, not just going away somewhere. 

[moozeditty]

It could mean somebody having a near-death experience.  "It's not your time."  Don't sweat it so much.  We don't even know for sure if it's in the final cut of the episode.

Message Edited by moozeditty on 12-09-2008 08:25 PM

[funky_branca]

Me too. :C

I don't think it'll be Clay killing himself, despite me thinking that in the past. But it could be a near death experience, like moozeditty said. Then again, someone could die, and this can play while everyone mourns. And ever since a few episodes back, I've had this feeling Orel might not survive. I don't know. 

I'm already a little sad trying to figure it out. But, we'll see next week!

Edit: Listening to it again, and I was thinking about the lyrics. And thinking of my strange feeling that Orel won't survive. And then, I thought of something.

Orel dies. Christina mourns him at his grave. "It's not your time, my valentine". 

Message Edited by funky_branca on 12-09-2008 09:37 PM