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This show makes me sick.

It makes me sick, because to this day it still doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

 

The history of Moral Orel is pretty much the narrative of everything that's wrong with our society and the modern media. Moral Orel wasn't just a comedy, it was a comedy with a story. A story that mattered; a story that had the balls to stand up and look its viewers straight in the eyes and tell them the world is fuuuuuudgeed up. It wasn't just story about a misguided ten year old and his conflicted world views, it's a story about the world that he lives in too. Dino and his team didn't just make another surreal comedy that relied on timing and sight gags, or even a heartfelt character study; they made a real world full of people with real problems and horrible secrets. They made something that mattered, that held weight.

 

Moral Orel was a show that needed to happen, and no one even knows it exists. Hell, it barley even has a cult following. No it wasn't funny all the time, and no it wasn't perfect; but god **unce** it it deserves better than this. Comedy isn't just about satire; it isn't just about calling people out on the most obvious of mistakes and their blatant stupidity. Any idiot with a computer can write comedy like that. You go and ask a professional writer how easy it is to write a dark, meaningful comedy; I want you to ask just so I can have the satisfaction of knowing they spit in your face. Moral Orel knocked you to the ground and then pulled you back up over and over again until you realized that, all along, you were the joke. That's what the best comedy does. That's what Moral Orel did.

 

No other network would have ever shown this, would have ever even touched this show. But what am I saying, [adult swim] gave up on it too. That's fair, and I'm not going to argue with that decision; but it just makes the point all too clear. We aren't willing to face ourselves and our decisions, we want to laugh away the pain and forget it ever existed. It's so **unce** pathetic, because even while typing this I know I'm one of those people. I laugh away the pain.

 

Frankenhole is premiering next month alongside Moral Orel, but it doesn't matter. Frankenhole looks as if it will hold little to no continuity between episodes though in the end it really doesn't make a difference, we've already chosen not to listen. Or maybe we didn't, I don't know.

 

Why am I posting this now? Who knows. Maybe I just want a network that isn't afraid to run shows like this, and has enough foresight to see that it deserves to fully mature. I suppose that's my real problem, that a show like Moral Orel didn't get the chance it deserved. Do I want [adult swim] to become that network? No, not really. They are doing some great things for television, amazing things, but I'm starting to believe that they aren't the right people for shows like Orel. I'd like to see them mature into something of that caliber someday, but I don't think anyone will give them that chance and, in the end, it would probably be better for everyone if they didn't take it.

 

So, why am I posting this now? Because I don't know.

 

People have said this **unce** time and again, and it never mattered.

 

And it never will matter.

 

Here's to Dino, Adsit, and Jay. I hope they find better success with Frankenhole, god knows they've earned it. 

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I shed a single tear reading this.

 

I agree with every point, and you articulated what I feel better than I ever could.

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I can sympathize with this reaction, as I often find that I bring myself to tears.
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Well vented. I know that frustration, sometimes your spleen just overflows.
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I agree also but remember Dio wanted to pull the plug on it because it was getting too depressing to write. Of course I am sure this is after AS said it was getting too depressing for its simple minded audience. I don't think AS ever showed a show as creative as this one which is why it has been hit or miss for viewers.

 

 I can honestly say that Morel Orel is the only show that has really has an impact on me. I wish there were more shows like it but there isn't. Not many people want to watch a funny show go dark. As an example (not comparing the two but...) the newer episode of family guy where stewie and brian were locked in the vault, not many people liked because Brian was talking about keeping things in the box to in case he wanted to kill himself.

 

Many overlook how beautiful the character development is in this series. 

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well said. Made me want to cry too.

 

another shame is that theres no way to even watch it. i havent seen the last episode.

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etceterenough wrote:
i havent seen the last episode.


That is a crime. Let's hope they play it this time around.
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My mom likes it, and she's a smart lady.

 

So maybe she will spread the Good Word of Orel.

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I actually thought Orel was one of the most intelligent shows of ALL TIME.

Although the series was very short I'm glad i got to see it.

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now that the last 4 episodes are up i saw it.  It was pretty kickass. It was nice to see a happy ending. For Orel atleast. But I thought it meant a lot.

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I'm glad you got to see it :smileyhappy: it was pretty amazing.
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The problem with "Moral Orel" as a show is that it is actually not saying anything.

 

It is a bunch of cheap jokes thrown together in the hopes that someone would find it deep or meaningful.

 

That does not make it a great show or even good satire.

 

"No other network would have ever shown this, would have ever even touched this show."

 

Um... no.  Viacom airs a little show called "South Park" that actually does decent satire in a way that does not just rely on easy targets and lame jokes aimed at the kiddy set.

 

"Moral Orel" was ok for a laugh, but to think that it is positing anything fo value is giving it way too much credit.

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do you puke in a bucket and look at it later?
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I hate people who use what I'm about to say as an argument but it has to be said. You were either offended by it, or are the typical AS watcher who is too stupid to understand things beyong a simple fart or **alf** joke.

Back in my day, Adult Swim had good shows.
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Wrong on both parts, Assuming Anna.

 

I am not offended by anything.  Ever.  Well, OK I am offending by things and "Moral Orel" is one of those things.  It is not the show's content, which is considerably tame and weak in its attacks, but what does offend me is the laziness employed in producing such lame and tired "jokes."  Even "Family Guy" will go beyond to the point of being beyond the childish on occasion.  "Moral Orel" never did that.  The writer(s) were a bunch of douchebags who thought that they were being edgy and insightful, but were neither.

 

I love satire.   I watched the early years of "The Simpons", "Futurama" before it turned awful on Comedy Central, "Arrested Development", and "South Park."  All of those shows delved into commenting about religion.  And they did it well.  Even people who are religious could appreciate it.  "Moral Orel" is just lame surface commentary that is the kind of feces one would find on a youtube video.  It is the equivalent of saying that someone is stupid and saying that is some type social commentary.

 

It is not good.   It is not deep.  And, worst of all, it is not funny.

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i really like moral orel.
my folks forced me to go to church when i was younger and i grew to loathe church.
so, even though its dark, i still find it amusing as hell.
my children, ages 13 and 15, also love the show.. and they also love going to church.
(they go a multidenominational church)

i read once "moral orel is about the bastardization of religion in america"
and, i happen to think that nails the show quite nicely.
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Obviously this conversation took place a while ago but I just have to comment.

 

The first season of Moral Orel more or less followed the structure that you're talking about, and about half of the second season, too. The show, however, made a complete 180 to become this sort of beautiful, grotesque, dark drama about the people of Moralton. It still featured Orel taking advice too literally...but in a completely different way. The character development was intense and the writing was amazing. Not a thing like South Park.

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In response to what someone said about family guy having better satire than moral orel,

family guys "satire" is strictly political. Moral Orel is about something bigger than politics.

It's about the way we live.

The way religon is used as a crutch and the lies we tell ourselves.

 

It is offensive but I think the last episode proves that the show isn't just bashing organized religon or christianity. Orel grew up to be happy because hes genuinely a good person.

 

I don't know how anyone can say this show doesn't mean anything.

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It was definitely one of the greats. I hope season 2 makes it to DVD in the states because I won't be able to get the feeling I did after every episode of Moral Orel from any other show. I miss Moral :smileysad: ITT: Grown men missing things

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i dont see how people can compare this show to the simpsons, family guy, or south park.  this is too real, sure its childish at first but it makes you see all the flaws we have as people.  orels dad is both my fav. char. of the show, but really he is an **NaClO**, awsome show all around i miss it

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+1.... I'm with ya brother.

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You're right. The show was ahead of its time. I like how passionate you are about this. I feel the same way about alot of tv shows and movies. I guess that the average person is too stupid to understand stuff like this in tv shows and movies. What can you do? The world is just messed up.

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Awesome Interview with Morel Orel Director Chris McKay

http://geekpropaganda.net/?p=1480

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Calmixx wrote:

Awesome Interview with Morel Orel Director Chris McKay

http://geekpropaganda.net/?p=1480


Wow, thanks for the link! Truly an Awesome Guy with a Bad Ass Hat, he's one of my new favorite people.



...oh, and I love the story behind your name as well :smileywink: :smileyvery-happy:
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Reason why I loved this show - it told the truth behind the christian life & showed the dark , demented , twisted side of it .... it was way ahead of its time ....  cancelled it was a huge ass mistake ... 

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