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Mad Men is slow paced and deliberate. It's only considered one of the best shows on television with phenomenal DVD/Blu-Ray Sales. Most of the West Wing was slow paced with many one-off episodes. It was only nominated best drama every year of it's run, winning it's first four. It also had very good DVD sales, and you can still get it on DVD. LOST was slow, and the writing was made up on the fly with no discernible rhythm. It was one of the highest rated shows on television, with phenomenal DVD sales. King of the Hill is extremely slow for a comedy. One of the highest rated shows on [as]. I could go on, but those are recent examples.

 

The low DVD sales of Anime shows, across the board, is due to the fact that anime is a niche audience, and nothing more. Very few resonate with American audiences and achieve viewers and sales akin to domestic shows.

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Exactly!  So why get a niche of a niche? 

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It's all a niche of a niche. The niche you want can't get past draconian television censorship. Don't fight [as], fight conglomerated television.

 

Anything [as] gets is hit or miss, as it is with all television. Most things are miss. fuuuuuudge man, not everything can be gold. In the mean time, let those of us who enjoy it, enjoy it.

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Clyde
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somedude248 wrote:

They're both horribly written, annoying but shilled by the story, so the only one invalidated here is you.  :smileyindifferent:


Okay. Then break it down for me. Go through the series episode by episode, and tell me specifically why Chagum represents a poor character, and why he wasn't developed well. Provide plenty of contextual examples, too. Because until you can do that, and I know you can't, your argument frankly isn't worth listening to at all. Vague generalities won't get you anywhere.
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We're first introduced to this whimpering idiot in the first episode, and then it hits you when the Queen is introducing him. Bad enough next to nothing has happened in the first episode other than Balsa going "Lol middle age" but introducing a plot element that's considered lame even when attached to the strongest of leads? It was terrible.

The next episode has the character's importance presented- Through a 5 minute speech about mystical bru-ha-ha that no one cares about. Really lame and not endearing.

The kid doesn't pull his weight, an attempts like the godawful gambling episode to try and establish his plot importance just bore. Really, why would you invest time in such dull characters?
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F-. See me after class.
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Biased much? 

 

I'd watch all 26 episodes again, but I don't need a sleeping aid that potent.

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Nope, just able to read. That wasn't even a quarter-assed attempt, considering all you did was extend your one-sentence "this is lame" into three sentences of "this is lame." In any case, you've more than proven that you're incapable of providing that sort of analysis, so I'll blissfully hold your opinions as being utterly worthless from here on out.

Also, I rather enjoy how the first episode setting up the main characters, central conflict, and overall plot direction counts as "nothing happening."
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The only thing worthless are those who would support a pathetic series like this solely on the basis of it being on Adult Swim.

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somedude248 wrote:
We're first introduced to this whimpering idiot in the first episode, and then it hits you when the Queen is introducing him. Bad enough next to nothing has happened in the first episode other than Balsa going "Lol middle age" but introducing a plot element that's considered lame even when attached to the strongest of leads? It was terrible.

The next episode has the character's importance presented- Through a 5 minute speech about mystical bru-ha-ha that no one cares about. Really lame and not endearing.

The kid doesn't pull his weight, an attempts like the godawful gambling episode to try and establish his plot importance just bore. Really, why would you invest time in such dull characters?

 

If you expect an entire plot to be handed to you in a shows first episode, you must hate all television. But again, you present opinion as fact. From my own opinion, the first episode sets the tone for the show rather well. Most of our main characters are introduced, the water spirit is seen planting the egg, the reason Chagum will be on the run is established, the reason for Balsa's commitment to his protection is hinted at, etc. It did in one episode what Kekkaishi hasn't done yet in 20.


Mystical bru-ha-ha no one cares about? It's the premise of the show. Pretty sure plenty of people care.

 

The gambling episode was not there to show plot importance. That is presented in the first episode, and later on when the old women reveals what the egg is all about. The gambling episode was about character development, to show that Chagum is more then just some wimpy kid, he's also got some intelligence behind him.

 

In the end, this is all just a big waste of time, neither of us is going to convince the other of anything :smileyindifferent:

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somedude248 wrote:

The only thing worthless are those who would support a pathetic series like this solely on the basis of it being on Adult Swim.


Well hey, if you manage to find anyone who holds that opinion, be sure to let us know.
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I'm conversing with him.

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Well that must be it, then. I mean, surely I haven't refuted that statement to you on numerous occasions, right?

Oh wait. I have. Always the master of incorrect assumptions and ear-plugging.
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Except you go out of your way to defend every last show on ASA regardless of merit.

Had this show aired anywhere else, you would rip it wide open. Not that doing so is hard.
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*looks at entire posting history on the boards*

Huh, that's funny, because I could have sworn that there have been a few [as] properties I've heavily criticized on numerous occasions. And oh, hey, here are some posts where I had issues with certain aspects of Kekkaishi, too. It's amazing what you can learn when you, like, read stuff.

Ooh, and apparently you can view alternate universes and determine how I would have reacted to this series had it aired anywhere else. That's a nifty power. :smileytongue:
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Did you ever think that Top_Gun genuinely likes ASA shows? There's also the chance he's just being a contrarian to you. Or, perhaps, he likes to look for the good in things, opposed to your looking for the bad in everything? You tend to find a hand full of things wrong with a show, and relentlessly bombard the public with them. Stop acting like the Tea Party :smileyindifferent:

 

Moribito is a good, well voice acted, well animated, well paced, well told, anime. You don't like it, we get it. Four or five people screaming in a crowd is not the opinion of the crowd.

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I enjoyed this show very much. Had outstanding art work, a compelling story, and interesting characters. That all being said I never watched in on AS. Saw one episode and gave up. Was not until I got the box set on dvd that I realized what a gem the show really was. Great show that really requires a persons complete attention. I can see why it did not do well on As. Not mindless action.

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It was almost the same with me. But after looking at the whole picture, I want to find out what happens to Balsa and Chagum now that they have parted ways. It feels like a Miyazaki film transformed into an anime series.
- Shadow Skill - Samurai Champloo - Hakuouki: Shinsengumi Kitan - Tsukikage Ran - Rurouni Kenshin - Seirei no Moribito - Otogizoushi - Tenjo Tenge - Ninja Scroll - Kekkaishi - Blade of the Immortal - Fate/Stay Night - Baki the Grappeler - Samurai 7 - Bamboo Blade - Avatar: Last Airbender/ Legend of Korra - Saiyuki - Samurai Deeper: Kyo - Fushigi Yûgi - Kozure Okami - Twelve Kingdoms -
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HEY, I happen to be an English major, thank you very much!

 

Anyway, just ignore somedude248. He;s not worth the trouble it takes to type to him. He hates any and all anime but for some reason just can;t stay on the as Sunday boards. (I can;t stand Family Guy, you don;t see ME on the Family Guy board trashing the show!)  It's no use talking to him cause he'll just harass you to no end. He lives for that.

 

But man I so agree with all of the Moribito lovers. The minute I saw the first ep I was amazed by it. A WOMAN is the main character! Not just any woman either, a 30-ish year old, not a teenager. There's no fanservice (which MIGHT be why he hates it) and the animation is breathtaking, like it's a painting come to life!! Plus if you look very closely you can see little details, like the definition of Balsa's muscles. As soon as I found out it was based on a novel I went to my library to find it and read both tat and the sequel. BOTH fantastic.

COWBOY BEBOP FOREVER!!
MAY YOU GO ON FOR 10 MORE YEARS!!

Never underestimate a girl- never underestimate Balsa!

YOU CAN'T STOP THE BEBOP!

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