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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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somedude248 wrote:
No anime in 2010 and it's all Moribito's fault.

Well... keep in mind that [as] didn't acquire any new anime in 2009 either (although new episodes of old anime have aired).

 

It isn't just Moribito's fault... blame [as] for not making much of an attempt to promote it's anime or acquire new ones. Also blame all of America for not watching. :smileyvery-happy:

 

That's right [insert name of American citizen here], I'm talking to you! :smileymad:

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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somedude248 wrote:

It's amazing how many times you've said I've been wrong only for me to be proven right.

You might as well get on board for the big win. No anime in 2010 and it's all Moribito's fault.



I keep saying you're wrong because you keep spewing the same utter drivel with absolutely no evidence or logical basis to support it. You're letting your bizarre obsession with disparaging Moribito anywhere and in any way you can completely cloud your judgment of how much impact the show has actually had on this network...hell, you've even spread it over to ANN. I can safely state that, when all is said and done, Moribito will have had little to no effect on the overall status of [as] as a whole or the action block in particular, for better or for worse. It's a show that probably didn't cost much (if anything) to air, didn't pull in any significant ratings, garnered its own small but loyal fanbase amongst the viewers, and will presumably eventually the block without a whole lot of fanfare. Those who didn't like it didn't bother staying up until 2:30 (or 5:30, even) to see it premiere and just stuck to Bleach without giving it much of a second thought; those of us who did like it managed to stay up and thought better of [as] as a whole for getting the chance to see it. There's no overarching damage being caused, no droves of viewers turning the other way, no great financial hardship, absolutely nothing along those lines. It's as simple as that.

I mean, just look at what you're stating here. According to you, Moribito, a show that [as] picked up only in the last year or two for what was most likely not much more than a song and never had any real expectations attached to it, is somehow singlehandedly responsible for "killing" the action block and causing the as-yet-unrealized lack of any acquisitions for this year? And its inability to make a splash in the ratings somehow negates the fact that Bleach managed to pull in what were by far the highest consistent ratings numbers for any anime series aired in at least the past three years? And you're suggesting that the burst of the anime bubble in the US over the last few years and the corresponding semi-collapse of the domestic distribution industry, coupled with the current economic situation and the increased competition that SyFy and FUNi's efforts provide, have nothing at all to do with why [as] has cut back on the amount of anime they're airing? Are you really incapable of seeing how absurd that argument is?
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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How quickly we forget...

 

I'm saying that asinine programming choices like Moribito have sunk the block faster than anything else.  Think about it.  You have a show NO ONE wanted that could have very easily been dumped after 10 episodes and forgotten like Pilot Candidate in the AS hall of shame.  What does Kim Manning do?  Go to Japan to negotiate for the rights to the complete series.  There's stupid and then there's flushing money down a toilet like she did.  

 

There is one anime left pulling its weight.  You cannot build a block around that.  Bebop did because it was considered equal to the rest of the shows.  Today, Bleach is still the orange-haired stepchild of the block, only airing on one day when no one would care, forever getting slaughtered in ratings by the UFC.  Would there be potential there?  Sure, if you really wanted to commit the unforgivable AS sin of airing Bleach after Robot Chicken, but then comedy fans would be calling for heads.

 

Moribito to me is a symbol of all that is wrong with the block.  Horrendus programming choices.  Godawful shows.  Nonexistent promotion.  Times where all will be sleeping.  A stubborn, buttheaded refusal to go outside of their little FAILbubble.

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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somedude248 wrote:

How quickly we forget...

I'm saying that asinine programming choices like Moribito have sunk the block faster than anything else. Think about it. You have a show NO ONE wanted that could have very easily been dumped after 10 episodes and forgotten like Pilot Candidate in the AS hall of shame. What does Kim Manning do? Go to Japan to negotiate for the rights to the complete series. There's stupid and then there's flushing money down a toilet like she did.


Yeah, aside from the part where that's not at all what happened in any way, shape, or form, that sure is what happened.

Regardless, I've tolerated you well enough for a while now, and I have no problem with people voicing valid criticisms and complaints about the show, and negative opinions are plenty welcome here. There is a point, however, where one passes the threshold from "voicing one's opinion, which happens to be negative" to "trolling." By now (and not just because this post), you've pretty clearly crossed that point by quite a bit. I don't really like reporting things and making the mods do work when it's unnecessary, but at the same time I'm somewhat obligated to keep the conversation in this particular folder somewhat sane, civil, and enjoyable for everyone, so I will kindly ask you to cut the schtick just this once. If you want to critique the show and discuss WHY it's so terrible and puts you to sleep and is the worst thing to happen to [as] in years (rather than just going around and saying that is the case without any manner of substantiation as obnoxiously as possible), you may do so. It is not what you've been doing up until now, though.
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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Should I list out the number of things wrong with your post, and with your entire attitude toward this series in general? Sure, what the hell. Though I know it won't do one iota of good.

1) You keep saying that shows of Moribito's nature "have sunk the block," but yet again, let me remind you that you don't have one single bit of evidence to support this. You don't work at Williams Street. You don't have access to [as]'s yearly acquisitions/broadcast budget numbers. You don't see in-depth ratings numbers on a weekly basis. You aren't privy to any details about how much a title like Moribito costs to acquire, or how much (if anything) it cost [as] to re-negotiate the broadcast rights. You don't sit in on the meetings at which the block schedule for the next month or two is determined (if said schedule isn't determined by the dartboard method, as so many have suspected). In other words, you don't know anything that would allow you to make an informed statement about how Moribito and/or other shows have or have not affected the anime block as a whole. And yet you persist in doing so...why?

2) You're making a comparison between Moribito...and Pilot Candidate. A show that, quite literally, didn't have an ending. I don't really give a damn what your opinion of Moribito is, but for you to ignore the objective fact that Moribito was, at the very very least, narrative-complete is just absurd. And while we're on the subject, the reason [as] made the effort to air the rest of the series was because they're a high-quality network that actually makes the effort to finish what they start. There hasn't been a single short-form anime series in [as]'s history that has been cut short, no matter how comparatively poorly it's performed, and a lot of people have a great deal of respect for [as] because of that.

3) Saturday has been the home of the anime block on [as] for as long as [as] has existed...even longer, in fact, since it draws its roots from the old Toonami Midnight Run and SVES. There's no ostracization going on here, not any more than has existed at any other point in [as]'s history. Granted, Saturday is traditionally the weakest ratings night of the week across all of television, but in a way, that makes having it as the anime block make even more sense so far as [as] is concerned. Even an anime series as comparatively popular as Bleach is never going to pull anything resembling the numbers of ATHF, or Metalocalypse, or Robot Chicken, or (ha) Family Guy, even were it to be aired on a Sunday. But its dedicated fans will watch it no matter when it plays, which ensures that Saturdays still manage to draw some very respectable numbers, all things considered. Oh, and if you think that [as] is in any way going head-to-head with UFC in that timeslot, you're completely self-delusional.

5) Funny how you conclude that "no one" wanted Moribito, simply because you yourself did not enjoy it. I wanted it. Most of the other posters in this thread wanted it. All of the people who posted in the various episode threads wanted it. The general population of this folder wanted it. The more widespread group of anime fans who have slathered praise upon it, and thanks to [as] for airing it, wanted it. Do we reach Bleach fandom's numbers? Of course not, and [as] never expected us to. But we most definitely exist, and we were most definitely thrilled that [as] was able to finally air the rest of the series.

6) I have no problem with you having a negative opinion of Moribito. Hell, I don't even have a massive problem with you saying, "I thought it sucked;" I may know to completely disregard your opinion on similar shows in the future, but that's not exactly an issue. What I do have a problem with is you leaping from expressing your own opinions on the series to extending them to some universal standard, like the ridiculous comparison to Pilot Candidate, or the "godawful shows" comment. Just for a second, if you're able, go back and take a look at Moribito from as unbiased of a perspective as you can. Can you sit there and tell me that the background art, or the character animation, or the soundtrack, or the voiceacting, is worthy of the label "horrible" by any reasonable standard? Are you going to attempt to convince us that the plot wasn't well-constructed from a technical standpoint, that there wasn't a purpose to every episode that aired, that a strong narrative structure wasn't followed? Do you reject the notion that the characters were humanized and all had their own individual motivations, to the point where none of them could be considered "evil"? Will you somehow deny that the actual direction of individual scenes wasn't, at the very very least, competent? Because if you can state all of that with a straight face, then there really is no sense in talking to you, because you quite simply have no sense of critical discretion whatsoever.

The bottom line is that what you're doing by posting these same statements over and over again is nothing more than an attempt to project your own personal opinion on the series on not only the other people who watch it, but the entire concept of "opinion" as a whole. The fact that the series has won extremely high marks from just about every anime reviewer who looked at it is apparently completely lost on you...which was demonstrated all too well when you hilariously posted this same exact sentiment in the ANN comment thread for a glowingly-positive review of the series. Time after time, myself and other people have asked you to back up your statements with concrete evidence, or expanded details, or anything along those lines...and time after time, you've done nothing but ignore those requests and keep re-using the same two or three sentences. You're honestly not even worth having a discussion with at this point; I'd get further by typing at a brick wall.

(I wrote most of this before Meta's post, so I'm going to leave it as-is. I completely agree with his assessment, though: if you continue making these same sorts of posts ad nauseam, all you can really be labeled is a troll.)
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I don't know exactly why [as] picked this show up, but I'm not saying it's a bad thing they chose this series of Anime. There seems to be a lot of people who aren't intrested in the show, I pesonally think they aren't understanding the show. This show has a lot of creativity and originality, I would recomend this to someone with a lot of time on there hands. This show isn't for everyone but if you get into the series you will come to find yourself in a deep intense story  :smileyvery-happy:
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I agree with the three posts above me.

 

Morbito WAS slow, and it did put me off a bit at first but I stuck with it [as] hasn't let me down in anime before and I found that I really enjoyed the story and the characters. The animation was beautiful and it was an Anime worth the watch.

 

I'm glad I got to see it,had [as] not shown it I may have missed it.

 

I would just like [as] to do more promoting for the anime, this is about the second time I've almost missed an anime because of the lack of promotion. For an anime to make it among the audiance, the audiance need's to KNOW it's there.

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I loved Moribito. One of Media Blaster's Best Dubs (I like their dub of Rurouni kenshin better).
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I'm sorry, but I WANTED THIS ANIME. When they only aired the first 10 episodes I was actually really disappointed. Then they put it on the middle of the freaking NIGHT after an hour of BLEACH which to me is so generic it is just silly. Moribito has more meaning and depth than Bleach, yet Bleach gets all the air time? I'm sorry but in my opinion Bleach is what killed the action block. It has completely taken over. And Moribito didn't ruin anything AS are big boys, they can acquire anime any time they want but they choose not to. They choose to run Bleach for 2 hours every night and push all the decent anime back to 2:30 AM. THAT'S what is killing the Anime block. I don't want to watch 2 hours of the same stupid show. Especially one that has more filler episodes than meaningful ones.

 

I loved Moribito, I just bought the complete series as a Valentine's gift for my boyfriend and we already watched the whole thing over again.

 

The artwork is beautiful and the story doesn't drag too much and it doesn't have too many episodes. In my opinon a good anime has a definitive ending and it doesn't drag out the series as Bleach and Inuyasha do.

 

AS is the only one to blame for no new anime. Moribito was amazing, I'm sorry you guys are just too thick to see what good anime actually is and only watch the cookie cutter stuff.  

 

I WANTED MORIBITO. I can't even tell you how happy I was when it came back on, even thought it WAS in the middle of the night. It's way better than Bleach and WAY better than The big O, if The big O gets better ratings than Moribito then I just lost all faith in humanity.  

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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Well said, Kelly. 
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I agree with your praise for Moribito, but with all due respect, I'll submit that you're selling Big O waaaaaay short. :smileytongue:
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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That and I think a lot of people don't realize it's just the second season of Big O they are seeing on AS.  I can see why someone wouldn't like it if they hadn't seen the first season.

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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ben0119 wrote:

That and I think a lot of people don't realize it's just the second season of Big O they are seeing on AS.  I can see why someone wouldn't like it if they hadn't seen the first season.


 

Yeah, it's like only showing the second season of Geass, you need the first season to build up to it.  They gotta get the first season of Big O back.
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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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i actually lyke this show 2.... n lyke how sum1 hadd posted above sum wer

they wer tlkn abt how tha lyne up is i agree wit tht cuz i meen sum tymes

i dnt stay up n watch tha whole anime lyne up either

cuz i meen it rly messd up n so r tha tyme slots 2

i meen i dnt wanna stay up so l8e either 2 watch it premire

mayb if they premired earlier then it wld b alot better

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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I thought it was a great show is it gone forever

?

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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seeyouspacecowboy wrote:

I thought it was a great show is it gone forever

?


Probably... AS and it's fans usually go for the lowest common denominator...

 

I'd like to hope that we might see it again, though.  

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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KellyRenea wrote:

I'm sorry, but I WANTED THIS ANIME. When they only aired the first 10 episodes I was actually really disappointed. Then they put it on the middle of the freaking NIGHT after an hour of BLEACH which to me is so generic it is just silly. Moribito has more meaning and depth than Bleach, yet Bleach gets all the air time? I'm sorry but in my opinion Bleach is what killed the action block. It has completely taken over. And Moribito didn't ruin anything AS are big boys, they can acquire anime any time they want but they choose not to. They choose to run Bleach for 2 hours every night and push all the decent anime back to 2:30 AM. THAT'S what is killing the Anime block. I don't want to watch 2 hours of the same stupid show. Especially one that has more filler episodes than meaningful ones.

 

I loved Moribito, I just bought the complete series as a Valentine's gift for my boyfriend and we already watched the whole thing over again.

 

The artwork is beautiful and the story doesn't drag too much and it doesn't have too many episodes. In my opinon a good anime has a definitive ending and it doesn't drag out the series as Bleach and Inuyasha do.

 

AS is the only one to blame for no new anime. Moribito was amazing, I'm sorry you guys are just too thick to see what good anime actually is and only watch the cookie cutter stuff.  

 

I WANTED MORIBITO. I can't even tell you how happy I was when it came back on, even thought it WAS in the middle of the night. It's way better than Bleach and WAY better than The big O, if The big O gets better ratings than Moribito then I just lost all faith in humanity.  


Woah..

 

Um *unsure if this was a responce to me or just those in general who didn't like the show* I admit I wasn't grabbed by the anime from the start, much like Code Geass I nearly changed the channel / went to bed cause I've never heard of this anime or even gotten the chance to look it up on the nets, mostly because of [as] bad non existant promotions.

 

Unlike Bleach who got a week or more in advance to us seeing it.

 

I like having a bit of information before I jump into something, but I'm glad I stuck with it. Not the best anime int he wolrld but it'll make my top ten.

 

But I don't know if it's better than Big O. Love me some Big O now. <3

 

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Re: Why did as even pick this up?

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 It didn't take me long for me to like it; like .hack//Sign (Which some people find it boring.)

 I don't find this Moribito boring, this might surprise you, but this show entertains me with its great story and animation.