One Piece

[TheBigOFan72]

I think you missed "Overseas". I'm very well aware at how One Piece outsells Dragon Ball in Japan. One Piece as I said was outselling Dragon Ball overseas, as in other countries. Dragon Ball Z is a massive cashcow in various countries, so it's very surprising. It might have to do with how popular One Piece is in Germany as I've heard.

[Sketchor]

Perhaps I did.

The only places I recall hearing about One Piece being really popular is Germany. It was pretty popular in Australia, they got more dubbed episodes on TV than we did. The 4Kids dub was also kind of popular in the UK for a stint. Arguably it was somewhat popular in America around 2005 but it was quickly eclipsed by Naruto on all fronts and the manga sales didn't show much promise unitl Viz got their head in the game.

[DemandingAnime]

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Sketchor wrote:

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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Sketchor wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen our ship has come in

http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/39242/funimation-entertainm
ent-to-release-more-one-piece-episo...

206-263 licensed at last

So I guess they didn't get "the rest" yet but it's a start

And hey finally Blu-Ray releases but it makes sense that they didn't do that up unitl now because season 4 is when it goes HD

According to that podcast mentioned in the report, they're expecting a Summer 2012 release. That's a little hard to hear after all this wait but it's better than hearing Fall of 2012.

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Don't get mad... but... that's slightly disappointing.

Why couldn't they license more?

What about 264+? What about the movies?

That's just nonsense and disappointing, but, that's just me obviously.

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58 episodes is a "season" I guess they can only afford to buy it in "seasons" and can't get the rest at the moment.

But chances are by the time they're releasing these they'll have licensed more. I don't think they'll have another long gag between season releases as long as season 4 sells and it dang well better because the major story events in those episodes are freak'n awesome.

But you could stand to seem happier about it considering how up in arms you were about FUNimation not having more yet. So you now know more is on the way. That's something to be very happy about because honestly while I didn't think it was going to end there it was such a long wait I was starting to worry we'd ever get more dubbed episodes of One Piece without a TV broadcast on a kids network for Toei to be satisifed with.

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I don't buy it remember? I'll be watching it on Hulu. Unless it takes to long for the episodes to show up that is...

[TheBigOFan72]

Not buying it is understandable. Even with the collections where at the cheapest it's $20 for 26 episodes at Amazon, it's going to be so many parts. I mean 500 divided by 26 is around 19, and multiply that by $20, and that's $380. So by the time FUNimation reaches the landmark 500 episodes on DVD, it'll be $380 to get it. But enough of that.

Watching on Hulu is the best way for someone not buying the show (Too long, don't want tons of voyages/collections in their room, going to cost an arm and leg when the series is done, etc.) to show support. You helped support One Piece by watching it on Hulu.

[Sketchor]

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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Sketchor wrote:

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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Sketchor wrote:

Ladies and gentlemen our ship has come in

http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/39242/funimation-entertainm
ent-to-release-more-one-piece-episo...

206-263 licensed at last

So I guess they didn't get "the rest" yet but it's a start

And hey finally Blu-Ray releases but it makes sense that they didn't do that up unitl now because season 4 is when it goes HD

According to that podcast mentioned in the report, they're expecting a Summer 2012 release. That's a little hard to hear after all this wait but it's better than hearing Fall of 2012.

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Don't get mad... but... that's slightly disappointing.

Why couldn't they license more?

What about 264+? What about the movies?

That's just nonsense and disappointing, but, that's just me obviously.

=/

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58 episodes is a "season" I guess they can only afford to buy it in "seasons" and can't get the rest at the moment.

But chances are by the time they're releasing these they'll have licensed more. I don't think they'll have another long gag between season releases as long as season 4 sells and it dang well better because the major story events in those episodes are freak'n awesome.

But you could stand to seem happier about it considering how up in arms you were about FUNimation not having more yet. So you now know more is on the way. That's something to be very happy about because honestly while I didn't think it was going to end there it was such a long wait I was starting to worry we'd ever get more dubbed episodes of One Piece without a TV broadcast on a kids network for Toei to be satisifed with.

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I don't buy it remember? I'll be watching it on Hulu. Unless it takes to long for the episodes to show up that is...

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Yeah, watch it on Hulu. I didn't buy some sets so far and I watch it on Hulu (especially the simulcast). This means 58 more dubbed episodes that will stream on Hulu at some point which is still good news.

But perhaps even more important than that. FUNimation has confirmed to the masses that One Piece's dub isn't dead and that will make it more enticing to pick up for potential television networks.

[DemandingAnime]

I vote for Adult Swim.

Just saying.

[TheBigOFan72]

As we all, but we'll take anything at this point. Though our top choice is pretty much [adult swim].

[KouTheMad]

more dubbed episodes you say, REJOICE!

let us party like its the 80's!

excuse me while i get a boombox and some Aerosmith, Styx, and Foreigner CDs for said partying.

[DemandingAnime]

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TheBigOFan72 wrote:

As we all, but we'll take anything at this point. Though our top choice is pretty much [adult swim].

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I'd rather take Adult Swim instead of another butchered editing job.

[TheBigOFan72]

I know, though it wouldn't get butchered. 4Kids butchered it, FUNimation didn't. The TVPG dub of One Piece wasn't butchered, but unfortunately had to use some 4Kids things otherwise viewers who started with 4Kids would be confused.

[Sketchor]

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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TheBigOFan72 wrote:

As we all, but we'll take anything at this point. Though our top choice is pretty much [adult swim].

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I'd rather take Adult Swim instead of another butchered editing job.

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I think if One Piece was edited to CN's Naruto level or even Yu Yu Hakusho level it would be make for a very enjoyable show that viewers of all ages could watch and we'd still have the uncut version as well.

But that said it's increasingly unlikely a kid's network is going to want One Piece. Nicktoons and The Hub are the only two even moderate possiblities.

So I'm going to keep pitching it to Adult Swim because it could do well there and kids networks aren't interested in a 10 year old show not named Dragon Ball Z.

We both want about the same thing, I'm just more flexible about what I'm willing to accept. Either way we've got the uncut dub so no outcome will be anything like when One Piece was handled by 4Kids.

[DemandingAnime]

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Sketchor wrote:

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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TheBigOFan72 wrote:

As we all, but we'll take anything at this point. Though our top choice is pretty much [adult swim].

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I'd rather take Adult Swim instead of another butchered editing job.

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I think if One Piece was edited to CN's Naruto level or even Yu Yu Hakusho level it would be make for a very enjoyable show that viewers of all ages could watch and we'd still have the uncut version as well.

But that said it's increasingly unlikely a kid's network is going to want One Piece. Nicktoons and The Hub are the only two even moderate possiblities.

So I'm going to keep pitching it to Adult Swim because it could do well there and kids networks aren't interested in a 10 year old show not named Dragon Ball Z.

We both want about the same thing, I'm just more flexible about what I'm willing to accept. Either way we've got the uncut dub so no outcome will be anything like when One Piece was handled by 4Kids.

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True.

I just don't want to see anymore butchered editing jobs that's all...

[Sketchor]

Nobody here does.

But I'd say you and I have a different opinion on what is considered a butchered editing job.

For instance here are two lists of edited anime. The first is of the horrendously bad edit jobs that anyone could consider butchered and the other is a list of shows that were edited for broadcast but did not lose what made them good in the process. That's what's really important right, not loosing what makes those shows unique and good entertainment.

Please read all of it. I know it's a long list but I have my reasons for pointing out what makes a good edit job and what makes a bad edit job.

Truly butchered anime:

4Kids One Piece 

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network and 4KidsTV

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, excessive violence edits, music replacement,  bad acting direction and questionable casting, 30+ episodes worth of content removed entirely

4Kids Yu-Gi-Oh

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network, Kids' WB and 4KidsTV

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

4Kids Shaman King

Broadcasted on 4KidsTV

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

D.I.C. Sailor Moon 

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network and several other networks in syndication

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

D.I.C. Saint Seiya aka Knights of the Zodiac

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated:  [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, excessive violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

Viz Media Mega Man NT: Warrior

Broadcasted on Kids' WB

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

Saban Dragon Ball Z 

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network and several other networks in syndication

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting, 15+ episodes worth of content removed entirely

Nelvana Card Captor Sakura aka Card Captors

Broadcasted on Kids' WB and Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, violence edits, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

FUNimation Dragon Ball Z Kai Broadcast Network Cut

Broadcasted on CW4Kids Toonzai Block

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: excessive violence edits, bizzarre video alterations

Nelvana Bakugan (any season)

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: awful dialogue, music replacement, bad acting direction and questionable casting

Beyblade (any season)

Broadcasted on various networks current series Metal Masters on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: awful dialogue, music replacement,  bad acting direction and questionable casting

Digimon [TV-Y7-FV]

Beyblade (any season)

Broadcasted on various networks current series Metal Masters on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: story alterations, awful dialogue, music replacement,  bad acting direction and questionable casting

Don't even get me started on Voltron which barely resembles the Japanese counter-parts and Robotech which was three shows thrown together along with all the other critcisms mentioned above for various other shows

Well handled edited anime:

Viz Media Naruto

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-PG-V]

Reasons: Nearly uncut after season 1, dialogue toned down from the uncut dub, some violence removed, no story alterations, only a few questionable edits and it's by far the least edited "kids dub" to ever air on US television

Viz Media Kojinki no G.ash Bell aka Zatch Bell

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: most notable visual edit is giving G.ash/Zatch underwear when he was otherwise naked, some violence removed and music was replaced but it was still a well handled dub with a solid cast that didn't dance around the storyline when it was serious

FUNimation Yu Yu Hakusho

Broadcast on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: dialogue toned down from the uncut dub, some violence removed, no story alterations, only a few questionable edits and it was completely bloodless but it was still very enjoyable

FUNimation Dragon Ball Z

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: dialogue toned down from the uncut dub, some violence removed, only a few questionable edits but there was some story alteration to get around edits but most of those date back to the Saban edits that they kept for consistency like saying someone went to "another dimension" instead of saying someone died and hell was refered to as HFIL the home for infinite losers. Some of the movies were edited to TV-PG-V instead and maintained language not present in the previous edited movies and episodes.

FUNimation One Piece

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-PG]

Reasons: retained terms from the hackjob dub, dialogue toned down from the uncut dub, some violence removed, no story alterations, only a few questionable edits and it was completely bloodless. The script and the casting made all the difference with One Piece. FUNimation didn't get to show episodes that were particularly violent but what they did show was handled pretty well.

Media Blasters Rurouni Kenshin

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: Williams Street edited this one themselves and it was basically edited to remove blood and some stabbing. There's a bit of inconsistency with the blood edits but other than that and one other stab edit that was very odd looking the show was edited pretty well and was very enjoyable on Toonami.

Bandai Gundam (any series until Gundam SEED)

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: The biggest difference between the edited and the uncut dub were some dialogue changes and a blood removal. The day-time versions had a surprisng amount of violence, realistic gun usage and depictions of war and death. It's a pitty they don't have the b.alls to play those kinds of shows on day-time Cartoon Network anymore.

Bandai The Big O

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: nearly uncut outside of a bit of violence and removing religious symbolism making "cast in the name of God" into "cast in the name of good" but it was no less enjoyable than the uncut version. Probably because the uncut is only TV-PG anyway.

Bandai Outlaw Star

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: the show was mostly intact but there were some violence edits and dialogue and one episode was skipped entirely due to content, they handled the other 25 episodes remarkably well despite that.

Geneon Tenchi Muyo (various series)

Broadcasted on Cartoon Network

Rated: [TV-Y7-FV]

Reasons: Williams Street also edited these series and OVAs themselves having a few lines replaced to cover up usage of alchohol and adding in digital bikini's over naked girls.

Not surprisingly all the well handled edited dubs aired on Cartoon Network but I don't consider Naruto Shippuden on DXD a hackjob. They've left in a lot of violence. But just like with Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami the violence is bloodless. There's only been one really questionable edit with Asuma's death. I will say I think Cartoon Network would have aired it with less edits than that though.

Dragon Ball Z Kai on Saturday mornings is a mess but the dub itself is pretty good. The Nicktoons version has a lot less stupid edits but it does have more violence edits than DBZ did on Cartoon Network which is baffling since Kai was already censored to around previous Y7-FV DBZ standards with Kai's broadcast in Japan. That said the improved dialogue, music, casting and direction IMO make it a more enjoyable watch than the old DBZ dub and it's very enjoyable despite the violence edits.

As far as One Piece goes I'd hope for a PG and that it wouldn't be entirely bloodless but as long as characters can hit eachother violently and they don't have to dance around the concept of death then it should be fine with even a Y7-FV cut depending on the standards. On Cartoon Network today it would have to be PG-V but the less censored DBZ movies on Nicktoons still got Y7-FV ratings (ones that aired PG on Cartoon Network a few years back) so I think if FUNimation edited One Piece to just that extent it would be in very good shape, entirely enjoyable for older viewers and kid's alike. And that's what I want and honestly it's more likely to happen than Adult Swim getting One Piece.

I think One Piece has a unique opportunity to be a success with viewers of all ages in America but it wont be able to accomplish that airing on Adult Swim because by airing it on Adult Swim you are denying the show to the young viewers it was written to entertain.

But that said, I'm all for Adult Swim airing One Piece because I would likely do well on Adult Swim and that's a pretty good reason to air it I would figure.

[DemandingAnime]

Interesting list there.

But hopefully this won't happen to One Piece EVER AGAIN.

[Sketchor]

What is "this?"

Because editing doesn't ruin a show if it's handled properly like Toonami's airings of Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto.

Sure completely uncut would be nice but as long as we still have the uncut dub on DVD and streaming on Hulu then a tastefully edited version of One Piece airing on television wouldn't be the end of the world.

[DemandingAnime]

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Sketchor wrote:

What is "this?"

Because editing doesn't ruin a show if it's handled properly like Toonami's airings of Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto.

Sure completely uncut would be nice but as long as we still have the uncut dub on DVD and streaming on Hulu then a tastefully edited version of One Piece airing on television wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Alright fine.

But blood and death edits are over the line. But, like always, that's just IMO.

[TheBigOFan72]

Watch Excel Saga episode 26, it'll make you rethink blood edits. The amount of blood, and the ways the characters bleed in that episode is very, very unrealistic. Who has enough blood to make an entire city get flooded with blood, and the whole earth?

[TheBigOFan72]

http://wiki.evageeks.org/images/thumb/9/92/Ep26_ExcelSaga_red_ear
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http://static0.channels.com/thumbnails/Anime-For-Dummies-Anime-Fo
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http://s3.sidereel.com/episodes/170845/featured/86606.jpg

[helpme]

*clicks them*

aww Shit my browser just crashed

[TheBigOFan72]

Too bloody for ya?

I could get screenshots from Hulu to show DA how blood doesn't always make a show realistic. Excel Saga episode 26 (A very great episode.) has so much blood it's unrealistic.

[helpme]

not from that

I had an update and clicked them at the same time thus

crash time

[Sketchor]

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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Sketchor wrote:

What is "this?"

Because editing doesn't ruin a show if it's handled properly like Toonami's airings of Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto.

Sure completely uncut would be nice but as long as we still have the uncut dub on DVD and streaming on Hulu then a tastefully edited version of One Piece airing on television wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Alright fine.

But blood and death edits are over the line. But, like always, that's just IMO.

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Death edits are crossing the line but blood edits really aren't that big of a deal as long as the characters can still hit eachother. Though having at least some blood would be preferred but Yu Yu Hakusho was no less enjoyable without it.

[TheBigOFan72]

Here we go, more unrealistic bleeding. DA, do you think this makes Excel Saga extremely realistic when Hyatt is having this much blood coming from her mouth?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/511/excelsagaepisode26scree.
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http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4011/excelsagaepisode26scree.png

Case in point, not all blood makes various anime realistic. It can make it more unrealistic.

[DemandingAnime]

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Sketchor wrote:

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DemandingAnime wrote:

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Sketchor wrote:

What is "this?"

Because editing doesn't ruin a show if it's handled properly like Toonami's airings of Yu Yu Hakusho and Naruto.

Sure completely uncut would be nice but as long as we still have the uncut dub on DVD and streaming on Hulu then a tastefully edited version of One Piece airing on television wouldn't be the end of the world.

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Alright fine.

But blood and death edits are over the line. But, like always, that's just IMO.

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Death edits are crossing the line but blood edits really aren't that big of a deal as long as the characters can still hit eachother. Though having at least some blood would be preferred but Yu Yu Hakusho was no less enjoyable without it.

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I guess but I still don't like seeing blood getting edited. Blood doesn't get edited out of CSI, L&O, etc. why should it get edited out here?

[TheBigOFan72]

Because those air later, and on ABC, NBC, and I don't know. Cartoon Network can't show blood (They could when they aired the Miyazaki movies once.), though [adult swim] can to a certain extent. There's a point where there's too much blood for even [as]. But we needn't worry about that. One Piece isn't too violent for [adult swim] in any way.