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Another Monster

This thread is for discussion of Another Monster, the novel-sequel to the manga/anime Monster by Naoki Urasawa, as well as further discussion of Monster in light of Another Monster.

 

If you have not seen or read Monster, I do not suggest reading this thread. There will probably spoilers galore. Instead I urge you to go watch or read it as soon as you can. It is a truly excellent series. Most of it is on Hulu, and it will all be on Hulu by the time you've caught up.

 

I'll kick off the discussion if necessary, but it's been about a year since I read the 19 or so translated chapters. I'll read those today/tommorrow and post my own thoughts if this thread is beset by the chirping of crickets in the meantime.

 

 

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1. I've never heard of this. I'll probably read it.

2. Why the hell do we have 5 Monster threads on the first page? :smileyindifferent:
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Because it's on SyFy.
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Instead of reading the whole thing in one gulp, can we like all read a chapter and then talk about it?  Maybe one a week, or one every 3 or four days?  I know it would take me a couple of weeks to find time to read it all again.


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They locked the Monster thread...guess we're done talking about it!

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Sure, Gina, how about two chapters a week?

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Megiddo wrote:
Because it's on SyFy.

3 out of 4 threads were made within the past couple days. It's been on SyFy for ages. :smileyindifferent:

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Because it just ended on SyFy?
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Hopefully he picks up the pace with this one.
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Yet only one of them is related to the SyFy run in any way, shape, or form?
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That's ok, I'm good

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Well, I've re-read through Chapter 2, which seems like a good stopping place for the first round.  It's enough to give people a taste of what the book is like, without overwhelming them with information (all the new names and places were kind of hard for me to process in the introduction, but I read slow, and absorb even slower, so maybe that's just me).

 

What do y'all think?  Who's here?  So far, just like last time, pretty much none of the posts have anything to do with the topic, so it's hard to tell who's interested in discussing this. :smileyhappy:  Should we give people until Monday to find and read the beginning before we start the discussion, or is that too long to wait?

 

Again, to find this just google "Another Monster," and pick the obvious link.

 

I received my copy yesterday, and now I understand that Naoki Urawsawa co-authored this with Werner Weber, and Takashi Nagasaki acted as translator.  So apparently at least part of this was originally written in German, I guess (wish I had that manuscript!). 

 

It's a lovely book - I've never seen a paperback with a dust cover before, and it's front and back facing pages are red, textured paper.  :smileyhappy:  On top of the dust cover's front illustration is a thick, silkscreened splash of blood in enamel paint (the actual cover is in b&w).  There are illustrations and photographs throughout, including a photo of a German newspaper article about the serial killings - there really are times in this where it's done so realistically you wonder if they're referencing actual events and working them into the Monster story.  I'm still not completely certain it's 100% fiction...  >.>


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That time-line sounds reasonable

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Okay, so I was thinking about some of the things Gina said and maybe I will read this now after all.  Since according to her, it supposedly reads like a data log or journal as oppose to a page-turning novel, and even has a more coherent time line of the events in Monster, I may just check it out after all. :smileywink: And if it isn't like a strict novel per se, it won't be as annoying when I get to the end of the translated chapters.


I figure we could read one or two chapters, and come back in here on Monday to discuss what we've read during the week.  It would be an easy schedule to go by because we used to have two episodes of the original Anime on Monday. :smileyhappy:


Of course, you could discuss whatever the current point we are at throughout the week, but whenever you decide to read the next Chapter(s), you'd probably want to wait until Monday to discuss it, if that makes any sense.


I thought it would have been better to have a cooling off period and let Monster settle in on our brains, and sink in, but maybe it would be better to jump into this while it is fresh on our mind and some of the gang is still around. :smileyhappy:

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That's kind of what I was thinking.  We're all locked into a Monster Monday schedule already, so... 

 

Everybody read  the Intro, Preface and on through Chapter 2 (Kenzo Tenma) over the weekend!  :smileyhappy: 

 

Any time on Monday is fair game for whoever wants to start.


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Sounds like a plan! :smileywink:


Start what?

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Start talking about what they read?


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Uhh, well yeah...

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Why did you ask me in the first place if you thought the answer was "well yeah" obvious?  oO  I mean, it was obvious, which is why I put a question mark on my answer to signify that I wasn't sure what you were asking about.


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It was obvious when you said it, but what you had before could mean start anything.

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If they ever make the live action Monster movie (which I have my doubts).

I think Geoffrey Palmer would be a good choice for Captain Karel Lanke

 

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Ok, so I'm assuming everyone from here on out has read from the beginning through Chapter 2.  There will be spoilers.  :smileyhappy:

 

I think the premise of this novel is just brilliant. 

 

Whoever the journalist is, he seems insightful enough to give Lunge a run for his money.

 

Dorn seems to be inspired (or have inspired, not going to look up the timeline) Light Yagami.  :smileyhappy: 

 

So I guess the mysteries of the introduction are, who killed Carek and why?

 

Chapter 1 mentioned that Eisler Memorial went downhill after the murder of the Dr. Heinemann and ended up moving from Düsseldorf to Niedersachsen.  So it appears that he was actually essential to the success of the hospital after all and not just a power- and money-seeking jerk.  Even Tenma's stellar reputation couldn't save the place.

 

I love Chapter 2!  All those wonderful little details about young Kenzo!  Especially the very Tenma-esque outcome of the hide and seek story.  But ouch...poor Tenma.  Not often you hear of a mother who favors her step-children over her own.  :/  I wonder what that was all about.

 

I'm kind of scatterbrained tonight (can't seem to find the words I'm looking for), so that's all I have to say for now.  :smileyhappy:

 


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I find it very thoughtful how Tenma's mother really prefers her step son over her own child, as you said. It looks similar with Johan and, basically, our human emotions and acts. First i thought maybe Johan really escaped from the hospital and killed Carek, but he got no reason to do it. It has to be someone else. Maybe another child from the reading seminars that took place in the Red Rose Mansion or maybe the experiment continued in another country. Although it is early to say it, because this will come later in Another Monster, i find it mysterious and strange that whenever the journalist asks "Is it true that Johan is still in a coma?" some of the interviewees answered something like "that's what i heard". It gives me the creeps, it's like Johan is out there, but that would ruin Urasawa's Monster. I've already read the translated chapters and i'm dying to know what happens further. Ah, wait! Who's the guy with the books? Another Bonaparta i guess, he he.
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Not much to say on the first two chapters I'm afraid. Tenma's characterization didn't have many surprises, and I don't say that just because I've read it before. :smileytongue:

 

The introductory portions regarding Carek and Kottman are interesting, but won't have any light illuminated on them until much later, since this is Urasawa. The journalist is probably correct, but there's too much ambiguity at this point to guess the identity and motives of the accomplice.