Thank you so much Gina, it is lovely with all the pictures and a table of contents and the Nameless Monster afterword(yeah, I admit it, I skipped straight to that
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That afterword was wonderfully creepy. I must say, when the guy mentioned that the one who sought the sketches sat beside a world leader it made me think of Johan when he was next to Schubert/Shuwald(it is Schubert isn't it?), though I can't believe that it would be Johan(though the idea that the bastard understudy could be involved isn't too far fetched, though I don't think Johan actually had any intentions of doing anything with him, much less ruling the world). Starting up the reading groups again, sheesh, though I can't help but think that if they go after Fuhr, it will end up like the Awakening Monster. Chomp chomp, much munch, gobble gobble, gulp.... indeed! 
LOL, that's a pretty funny clip!
Anyway...
I was saying that Sievernich was the politician. He did say that he was planning on being a politician and he wanted to rule the world. Though yeah, that would be a bit of a stretch considering what you said. (That was just my first thought upon reading that. XD) However, that German-Vietnamese guy and whatever followers Sievernich has may have just think he's important. 
Though it appears that the Sievernich financial group does have a lot of power.
You're really into this cousin theory, aren't you? XD
Crap, I didn't notice that the afterword was written in 2008! Good point. And I also didn't notice that the the award ceremony was in 2000. He said he wanted to investigate the Johan incident that occured "last year," so I assumed "last year" was 1998. But perhaps the investigation didn't fully come forward with everything until the beginning of 1999.
I was thinking that the country was Germany since while it has regained some status, there are still people who want to bring it back to its "former glory" (i.e. neo-nazis). Though Russia is a very interesting possibility indeed. So you think this leader could be Vladimir Putin? Yikes!
No, I wouldn't think it was Johan who bought the sketches. It seems as if whoever bought these sketches is working with this politiician. Still, Tenma and Johan working together is a cool idea.
EDIT: Oh and in honor of your cousin theory...
(Note: I've actually never heard of this show. I just remember Joey from Full House singing this and I came across the source material.)
It's actually Schuwald. After dealing with the katakana in the names, I finally understand why there is confusion about it, on both sides of the language (even in the poster for the library event, it clearly says Schubert in the original artwork).
In German the w = v when pronounced, and in Japanese v = b. Likewise the German d at the end of the name is pronounced as a t. And then there's the L/R substitution in Japanese, and on top of all that, the fact that the seiyuu pronounced it as Shuberto. So Schuwald morphs into Schubert by the time you cross languages and phonetics. (this reminds me of the song "Samurai Heart" which is also called "Some Like it Hot," since the pronunciation of those English words is virtually the same for the Japanese. )
Viz translated it as Schuwald, so I imagine that they talked that over with the authors to be sure. To me it seems like it could've gone either way. 
I hope you read the last paragraph of the preamble though, since there was a little bit about the afterword there.
TophBeiFong wrote:SpoilerNo, I wouldn't think it was Johan who bought the sketches. It seems as if whoever bought these sketches is working with this politiician. Still, Tenma and Johan working together is a cool idea.
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Yeah, haven't given up on the idea yet. Not clinging quite as tightly to it, but still digging in.
With regards to Schuwald's name, there were some inconsistencies in the English translation of the manga, where he was referred to as "Schubert", which is still very much a German name. But "Liebheart"? I've heard of "Liebhart", but never that alternate spelling....I think Liebhart is Austrian, though. But I did find this: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Liebheart. I must say, the Spanish fans of Monster created a very consistent page for Johan's character alone, something the English fans failed to do on their wikipedia, with that small, shameful little paragraph under Johan's name 
. Did the Spanish translation refer to him as "Johan Liebheart"?
I'll bump. *bumps*
College work blows. *stupid psych class*
By the way, I want to mention that my previous theory about Bonaparta wanting to see which kid Jomama picked was unfounded. I found out that she was originally referring to both children. Though perhaps what I was remembering was a dub alteration or something. Dang, I liked that idea too.
EDIT: Crap, what I wanted to post is not working now. I'll try it again...
I was inspired to do this when I saw a video doing something similar with another show. (Hetalia and becoming one with Russia, specifically.) So let's see what Cleverbot thinks about The Nameless Monster...
User: Look at me! Look at me! The monster inside me is about to explode!
Cleverbot: What is THE monster?
User: I shall tell you. Once upon a time, there was a nameless monster...
Cleverbot: But I want to hear YOUR story.
User: You're getting it. The monster was dying to have a name...
Cleverbot: Twas brilig and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe. All mimsy were the borogroves and the mome raths outgrabe.
User: Jabberwocky. Nice. Will you give me your name? If you give me your name, I will make you human.
Cleverbot: No, I told you my name is Cleverbot.
User: May I have the name Cleverbot?
Cleverbot: Yeah, I know.
User: What do you know?
Cleverbot: I know you don't want to do that.
User: I want your name. May I be called Cleverbot?
Cleverbot: How can I call you?
User: Cleverbot.
Cleverbot: What about it?
User: I want that name.
Cleverbot: Why? It's ugly!
User: No, it's a wonderful name. I have no name...
Cleverbot: Yes it is.
User: Then may I take your name?
Cleverbot: My name is Cleverbot. What is yours?
User: I have no name.
Cleverbot: No name?
User: No, I do not have a name. That is why I want yours.
Cleverbot: ¿Quién te enseño español?
User: No quiero hablar espanol. Queiro tu nombre.
Cleverbot: ¿porque?
User: I have no name.
Cleverbot: Aha seeeeehr interessandt.
User: I am nameless.
Cleverbot: Are you serious? Well my name is Cleverbot.
User: Yes, I am serious.
Cleverbot: When can we get married?
It's a shame that the other one was lost, because it said that if you're nameless, you're not a person. Oddly fitting with the show.
You made me realize I never replied to this! I had intended to look up the scene and didn't get around to it. But it looks like you beat me to it yourself.
TophBeiFong wrote:
InTheGarden's not dead! Yay! XD So, what kind of discrepancies? Does it have to do with events or dates? If it's dates, then we can attribute that to Writers Can't Do Math.
Yeah, it's all dates, since we were doing a timeline.
One that seems important is that Garden says the manga (or anime - she was going through both, I think. I'll just say manga for now) puts the twins at the Czech border in 1984, while the novel implies that it was between 1981 - 83, depending on what month they were found (probably Nov - March given the weather), since Wolfe says they were 6 or 7 and they were born in May of 1975. But if it was as late as 1984, that barely gives two years between being found and being taken to W. Germany, which I guess is long enough, but it seems like they were in the orphanages longer, and at a younger age to begin with. Also, the Red Rose massacre was in 81, and 3 years seems like a long time for them to be wandering around, whereas a year or two longer in the orphanages seems more reasonable.
Also the novel clearly puts the K511 massacre in 1986, while the manga says 85. Likewise, the Munich library fire was in 1996, while the novel has it in 1997.
I swear, for a story that relies so much on concurrent events and timelines, you'd think Urasawa could've been more consistent about his dates. Then again, since he was putting out a manga over several years while trying to meet a schedule, instead of writing one story and looking it all over before final publication, I guess such discrepancies are bound to happen. It's like all the name changes between the book and the storybook afterword. I guess he decided to correct things while he could, but even so, there are still problems with dates in the anime (e.g., dates on tombstones, and the dub just made it even worse with their adjustments, with dates in dialog not matching what can be seen onscreen even as they speak!).
Heh, I tried the Cleverbot thing, but couldn't figure out how to get the sort of dialog you showed. When I pasted in your Look at me! quote, and hit Think about it, the first thing it mentioned was "the doctor"! I forget now what it said exactly, but clearly it was referencing some past conversations about Monster, even if it didn't know how to use it intelligently.
I also went to the link with the woman's voice? and she also seemed to recognize the reference after a fashion. Again, I don't remember, because there didn't seem to be a way to save the whole conversation, or review it past a couple of lines.
Still, pretty funny.
There should be almost 60 people posting in this thread by now! Where are they? I just can't understand how people can read that book and not want to come here to at least say, "wtf??"
Urasawa is an Asian man who can't do math. 
*gets slapped for horrible joke*
And yeah, where is everyone? JohanT and JohnJacobSchmidt seem to have disappeared without a trace. I'm guessing VadaH is waiting on her husband to finish the series. And all the other people you sent this never even bothered. ...Hmm, I wonder how loud an echo I can make? *yells*
Anyway, just to keep the conversation going, something occurred to me about Lipsky's mother. This will seem pretty obvious, but I had my mind on other things regarding this series, most of which I've mentioned here. Anyway, the goverment wanted to study her because of her acting ability. They claimed that she could become the roles that she played. This led me to believe that the project in Kinderheim wasn't just about fostering aggressiveness and argumentative skills to tear down your opposition. Rather, they wanted someone with a malleable idenity...someone who could be told to become anything the government wanted, not just soldiers. As for the RRM experiments, they were trying to find someone with the capability to shape those identities. (Which I guess I was sort of aware of before, but I thought I'd mention it.) ...Freakin' scary.
TophBeiFong wrote:Urasawa is an Asian man who can't do math.
And yeah, where is everyone? JohanT and JohnJacobSchmidt seem to have disappeared without a trace. I'm guessing VadaH is waiting on her husband to finish the series. And all the other people you sent this never even bothered. ...Hmm, I wonder how loud an echo I can make? *yells*
Anyway, just to keep the conversation going, something occurred to me about Lipsky's mother. This will seem pretty obvious, but I had my mind on other things regarding this series, most of which I've mentioned here. Anyway, the goverment wanted to study her because of her acting ability. They claimed that she could become the roles that she played. This led me to believe that the project in Kinderheim wasn't just about fostering aggressiveness and argumentative skills to tear down your opposition. Rather, they wanted someone with a malleable idenity...someone who could be told to become anything the government wanted, not just soldiers. As for the RRM experiments, they were trying to find someone with the capability to shape those identities. (Which I guess I was sort of aware of before, but I thought I'd mention it.) ...Freakin' scary.
*runs in, panting* Guys! Ok, ok, sorry for the long absence. I got lost, what with the new installations google has incorporated into its systems. Luckily, Toph's echo allowed me to find my way. For that, I thank you.
Oh, and of course, the school work has been as demanding as ever. If it were to be personified as a human, it would be a nagging mother-in-law.
And I have to agree with your interpretaion of the experiment, Toph. And I think it also applies to Bonaparta's interest in the mother of the twins. Though she did not transform herself through acting and appearance, she did so through her voice and music. The mimicry of all singers must have been appealing to Bonaparta, as those voices were all but her own.
Yay, you're not dead yet!
I just think it's pretty sad (never mind the creepy) that Bonaparta married her just because he was interested in her personality transformations. Although I guess Lipsky imagines he cared for her, I have trouble believing he did at that point of his life. Or rather, whatever feelings he had for her weren't for her as a person, but his love for his own experiments, just like with Anna, and even the twins.
That whole family is just so messed up from grandfather on down. I just hope if Lipsky has some kids with his new girlfriend he can break the chain of crazy.
I think I mentioned this way back when I was re-reading his chapter, but I just can't help imagining his girlfriend as Shelley Duvall as she was in The Shining. ^.^ They'd make a perfect couple.
By the way, someone linked me to this blog (I almost have a vague notion that I might've mentioned it, or maybe Toph did? and yet I don't remember having seen it before. oO), but I can't link to it because the filter will corrupt it: http://f**kyeahjohanliebert.tumblr.com/ Just fill in the obvious.
It has some awesome fanart, and some hilarious stuff as well, so keep clicking on more at the bottom (about half of the pics are also in the character tags sections).
Also...can't unsee. Click on the words and see what happens. Robot is my favorite. >.<
Huh, I wasn't registered at NicoNico either, but I could still watch it. I changed it because I wanted to link to the blog I found it at, which has a lot of nice fanart as well. And yes, I also noticed that there was a Russian translation of AM on there. And from Google translate, it seems as if he also has a guide comparing the cities portrayed in Monster to their real life counterparts.
Yay, maybe another person! Didn't he make this thread for you? 
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