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[naraku361]

I remember characters for either fun (Gates from FMP: TSR) or sympathetic value (Walter from Breaking Bad).

Yukki isn't either of those, therefore he'll probably be forgotten. Sort of like how I watched all of Umineko, but the characters we so crappy that I can't remember anything outside of them **noel**.

But Mirai Nikki has good dialogue?

[TheFlawGuy]

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naraku361 wrote:
I remember characters for either fun (Gates from FMP: TSR) or sympathetic value (Walter from Breaking Bad).

Yukki isn't either of those, therefore he'll probably be forgotten. Sort of like how I watched all of Umineko, but the characters we so crappy that I can't remember anything outside of them **noel**.

But Mirai Nikki has good dialogue?

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I like the dialogue fine. I never once ran into a piece of dialogue where I went, "Oh god, they really said that?", except for maybe with those two girls who I don't really care about. But other than them, no. The perverted slapstick on the other hand? Yeah, I hate asread's fanservice. And their production values.

As for Yuki not being remembered by you, probably not. He's definitely not sympathetic (like I said, I don't think the anime wants him to be), and you obviously don't see watching him trying to get past his physical and mental tortured (admittedly, poorly) as fun.

[naraku361]

Mental torture's been the bulk of it. Not enough of the physical.

More physical beatings, more fun. Mirai Nikki's suspense hasn't been very good, thus his mental breakdowns have been fairly uninteresting.

[TheFlawGuy]

Well, I think this argument has run its course. I've pretty much said all I needed to on why I like Yuki and practically nothing is going to change my mind about the anime except for maybe the next episode. I look forward to the next time we disagree on something, which will probably be sometime down the road. 

And seriously, if you don't like the anime, continue to not like it. I'm not out to change opinions. I'm just defending my own opinion as best as I can while trying not to be bigoted (emphasis on trying ^_^).

[naraku361]

Eh, wouldn't be much discussion if there weren't disagreements.

Wasn't aware we'd reached "argument", though.

[TheFlawGuy]

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naraku361 wrote:
Eh, wouldn't be much discussion if there weren't disagreements.

Wasn't aware we'd reached "argument", though.

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Yeah, the Natsume boards are hugely evident of that. Can't say much besides this episode is good, as very few people hate it, and the episodes that are good don't really have any standout moments to describe why they're good.

So argument means "nasty attacks" on this board instead of "disagreement in opinion"? Good to know. Thanks.

Edit: Took out edit on grounds that it might spoil the anime.

[robertje]

Well i wanna see if yuki actually grows some balls at some point in this series i mean he eventually has to take on yuno right? 

[-Gaynor79-]

You're assuming that Yuno will be the last one standing along with Yuki. I'm actually betting on Ninth taking her out in the final 3. Only then, will some sort of latent rage consume Yuki and he will actually stop being a wuss for five minutes and do sh*t.

[TheFlawGuy]

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robertje wrote:

Well i wanna see if yuki actually grows some balls at some point in this series i mean he eventually has to take on yuno right? 

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As long as it's done naturally, then yeah. I hate it when wimps grow balls because it feels like the writers control them (like Shu or that Chaos Head protagonist). Especially when they never face the consequences of their actions, because it keeps them annoying and makes them really generic in the process.

[Chappi_The_Rabbit]

Now that you mention it, I think it would've been much better to have Akise as the main character. Think about it, a show centered around a detective trying to find out the mystery behind a manhunt between a diverse cast of crazies and ordinary people prepetuated by an unknown entity. That sounds much more awesome than watching Yukki huddle in a corner and cry as he has Yuno be his pet dog (seriously, she only loves her master, she will snarl and attack anyone that gets near her master, and her basic vocabulary consists of the word "Yukki". She is seriously his pet dog) do all of his work for him while she continues to slowly ruin his life and friendships, not to mention she kept him in captivity in an abandoned building. Hell, at this moment, I would have much rather had the "Lovey Dovey Couple" just murder both Yuno and Yukki than give them a chance to recover after Yukki sniveled and cried about how pathetic he is after not protecting Yuno from the fire.

As for Shu, none of the GC characters are written well, but that's the reason why Shu is somewhat more bearable, because the writers never fully understood whether they wanted him to be courageous and strong or weak and beta, so it pretty much wavers back and forth and switches from Lelouch to Simon to Shinji depending on how the writers think he's feeling at the time, while Yukki slowly gets more and more pathetic by the minute. There are just less times when the writer feels generous enough for Yukki, hence why the only time Yukki was actually awesome was when he told Yuno to go to Hell, but they screwed up real good by just having to keep Yuno by Yukki's side regardless of whether it was actually a smart decision or not.

When it comes to Durarara, I know you hate this argument alot for why I didn't like the 2nd half, but when it comes down to brass tacks, the Yellow Scarves story was all about Kida, and as such in the anime adaptation should have been about how Kida was handling not being able to control the gang he started. Instead they try to add all this bullcrap about Mikado wanting to take down the Dollars, even after they all banded together to save Anri from getting in Horada's hands. I would say that Kida running away from his responsibilities was also very lame (especially how he felt about Anri'), but he redeemed himself somewhat when he barged into the Yellow Scarves compound right when Horada ordered his execution to kick the **noel** out of his own gang and returning to Saki. With Mikado though, he just let the Dollars get their **noel** handed to him, and when he had the cards to keep them protected, he kept going back to bawing about how he wants to disband.

[TheFlawGuy]

Like I said, there is a manga that sort of does that called Mirai Nikki Paradox (it does spoil the anime somewhat, so don't read it yet). I personally didn't like it. I know people think Yuki is a static character (and I think a lot of people really like the Paradox manga), but I think Akise is even more static than he is. It's basically the same as giving someone who should be a side character, a main character role. Akise just solves everything so perfectly with that smug face like he knows everything. No consequences, no real suspense, no real conflict. Just him cruising like he's a boss. Ugh. You'll probably like it though.

And that's why you prefer Shu? Fair enough if you like him more than Yuki for the same reason I hate him completely. I will say that one more reason I like the latter more (a blog I follow also brought this up) is because of their love interests. Despite being a loser, Shu has two hot girls all over him. Yuki is in the same situation (with one girl), but it's backfiring on him so horribly (and Episode 3 revealed that there are some other reasons why Yuno is all over him, while we don't get any real justification with Shu). This isn't exactly either characters' fault, but it just shows that GC isn't aware that Shu is an unsympathetic, tired loser, while Future Diary knows their main doesn't deserve any sympathy. That's why one is in a hospital while the other is hanging out with his friends (admittedly, in a walled-off area).

As for the Durarara thing, what can I say? Anime should have stuck to the novel. But you already know this.

[robertje]

did you see yuno blocking those throwing knives liek they were nothing? shoot if yuki told her he would "pop her love cherry" as you could say she would kill every other diary holder withing minutes hahaha

[robertje]

also you just described 2 ppl akise AND L from DN and you see how popular he is...

[naraku361]

Akise is more static, but he's mostly more consistent. Other than the air duct. I don't think I'd like manga based around him simply because the story arcs haven't been particularly mysterious. He doesn't have to do much snooping to get to the bottom of things because the characters are going to blabber expository dialogue eventually, he's really just got to wait a couple extra minutes before the "mystery" solves itself. With this writing, I just don't see the mysteries in an Akise manga being halfway tolerable.

I like Akise better than all the other characters because he at least tries to think, and occasionally comes up with something decent. Wherein everyone else is standing around drooling.

I don't particularly like him as a deep, meaningful character. Or even a "fun" character. He is, however, what made these past couple episodes better than the previous ones, though.

[TheFlawGuy]

Well, it takes all kinds of people. I loved his suggestion to have Yuki break the phone though. No matter how that scenario turned out, Kousaka would have been screwed.

[-Gaynor79-]

Akise is the Kaworu of this series. More awesome that the real main character with a touch of the yaoi tendencies the fangirls love.

[TheFlawGuy]

Yeah, I hear that comparison a lot. I just can't get into him though. I don't hate him, but I just like Yuki more.

Edit: Someone informed me that Yuki didn't read the part on his Future Diary where those two girls get injured with knives, because he was too focused on his own safety in the last episode. Yeah, I like Yuki, but even I'm not going to defend that.

[TheFlawGuy]

Okay, is anyone really surprised that Yuki's dad is like that? I guess Yuki had to get his cowardliness from somewhere. 

And I really hate likable couples who are one the enemy side (like that couple from Eureka Seven), because you know that their happiness is going to end, and it really makes me sad when they don't make it out because they're not the main characters.

[naraku361]

Yuki's dad was entertaining. But you'd think something was up if he was being offered to have a 3 million yen debt removed if he broke his kid's cell phone. Like, seriously?Doesn't seem alarming at all?

Yuki's "seeing the stars" thing has gone from a smaller cliche to autistic obsession. Just his autism comes out in the for of cliches.

[TheFlawGuy]

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naraku361 wrote:
Yuki's dad was entertaining. But you'd think something was up if he was being offered to have a 3 million yen debt removed if he broke his kid's cell phone. Like, seriously?Doesn't seem alarming at all?

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This is a guy who got into a 3 million yen debt in the first place. How smart can he be?

[naraku361]

3 mil. is only a realistic number if we're talking big debt plus compound interest. It doesn't take stupidity to be horrible at handling money, that's a matter of self-control. Even the smartest of person could fall into a compound interest scam if there was clever enough hiding.
But "Break your kid's phone" as a means of getting rid of it.... I can't imagine anyone ever just not questioning how retarded that sounds.

[TheFlawGuy]

Yeah, but this is a guy who wanted to clear his debt so he could live "the good life" again. It's possible that the good life means spending time with his family, but I kind of doubt that. Plus, these debt collectors (one of them being a diary holder from what I could gather) are most likely threatening his life, and when your life is threatened, you tend to do stupid things (I'm sure Yuki has proven that to be true again and again and again).

Or it could be something the writer just wants us to accept. Or a mix of both.

Edit: And yes, I thought it was stupid he never questioned it. But I also got the impression that Yuki's dad is even more brain dead than Yuki is, so I let it slide.

[naraku361]

I have a hard time believing anyone could be more braindead than Yuki without being a vegetable.



Or Yuno.

[-Gaynor79-]

Ninth really made this last episode. Why does she have to look so hot in that nurse's outfit? >.<

[Pandaka]

Yuno isnt stupid.

Shes insane.

Theres a difference.

As for Yuki's dad... Ive seen people like that irl.

The kind who think "OH MAN I CAN DO SOMETHING SO INCREDIBLY SIMPLE AND EASY AND MAKE TONS OF MONEY OVER IT! ITS FOOLPROOF WITH NO CONSEQUENCES."

Even if you cant comprehend them, there ARE people like that out there.

Its sad, but there really are.

Most of the characters in this show are lolwut, but Yuki's dad and his lofty dreams of making it back on top with little to no effort is one of the more realistic things.

Still though... Doesent mean hes smarter or anything, because that aspect of his character is realistic.