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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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You do realize even this site is subjected to getting taken down right, just for mods for example missing links to illegal streaming sites that went unreported?

 

I've read through some pretty old threads before here, and I'm just shocked at the number of users who I saw in those old threads who had links to illegal streaming sites in posts, in their sig, and those ended up staying there for years. I ended up reporting many of those, and those posts were years old.

 

Google is even up for deletion because of all the stuff that violates SOPA that is linked there. YouTube also is up because YouTube doesn't catch everything, there's so much stuff. YouTube mainly acts only when someone reports something, never really looking into the matter themselves.

 

As I've heard, this bill could even get you in trouble for using like a Skyrim avatar on a forum somewhere. Considering how what we can use as avatars here is limited (As Turner Legal is afraid of being sued. "What, you're using an Excel Saga avatar here?!! Remove it, we'll get sued as we don't own the rights to the show!!"), it makes sense.

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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How is it not abuse to go after a citizen of another country who was not breaking any laws in his own country, who was not even providing or hosting pirated content?  His linking was no different than what Google does, and they weren't just seizing the site, they're trying to extradite him for trial and imprisonment here.

 

I am still interestied in your thoughts about the people behind SOPA providing software and instructions for illegal downloading though.


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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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This bill goes past just pirated content (This is the problem many people have with it.), it goes further. To quote (With minor edits, mainly editing out member names, and site name.) from this one forum I go on what else it would do...

 

"The Stop Online Piracy Act is essentially a bill to go beyond DMCA's Fair Use. DMCA's Fair Use is what allows commentators like the ones mentioned to use gameplay footage of Halo and Call of Duty in their videos. It lets use a Skyrim avatar, and it lets people on Reddit post screenshots of games like Minecraft. Read the Fair Use clause here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_000001
07----000-.html


[quote]...the fair use of a copyrighted work... for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.[/quote]

The DMCA says you can reference, comment on, and use a small portion of a copyrighted work without committing copyright infringement. So you can post a three-second GIF of a Family Guy clip and get away with it because it's only a few seconds out of a twenty-two minute episode.

The SOPA would allow the government to shut down a site for using gameplay footage, for using a Skyrim avatar, for posting screenshots of a game, and for using a Family Guy GIF, and getting caught using a Family Guy GIF or a Skyrim avatar is a felony. Since many of us posted Classifieds we wrote ourselves (non-infringing content), shutting down this site because uses a Skyrim avatar or because uses a That '70s Show avatar is a violation of the First Amendment. SOPA essentially cancels out the DMCA Fair Use clause.

The ACLU publicly opposed the bill here: http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/urge-congress-stop-sopa The SOPA is unconstitutional, unreasonable, and insane."

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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GinaSzanboti wrote:

How is it not abuse to go after a citizen of another country who was not breaking any laws in his own country, who was not even providing or hosting pirated content?  His linking was no different than what Google does, and they weren't just seizing the site, they're trying to extradite him for trial and imprisonment here.

 

I am still interestied in your thoughts about the people behind SOPA providing software and instructions for illegal downloading though.


It's not abuse because Brittain has the right to either accept or decline the US request for extradition.

 

It would only be abuse if the US forced Brittain to hand him over. It's being handled in accepted protocol and if the UK doesn't think that the US argument of the victims being located in the US convincing enough then they will simply decline the request.... and that is exactly what I expect to happen.

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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You're missing a simple point here.

 

Even if there isn't a precedent of "US government abuse of federal regulation of the internet," that doesn't mean it's okay to pass a bill that has the potential to be easily abused. Simply put, if they want to "stop online piracy" they need to have to a specific plan rather than just completely shutting down any site at the whim of the copyright holder (because we all know how fair they are). If you intend to sit there and tell me that organizations like the RIAA and others don't hold influence with the government with their money, then you are a naive fool. I'm certainly not going to argue that it will be nearly as bad as anyone in this thread has made it out to be, but simply the fact that there is the potential for all those things to happen is reason enough to deny such legislation. Putting blind faith in goverment regulation is not a good idea, period. 

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Oh, absolutely. Sites that have been profiting off of illegal pirating of movies/music/TV/games/sports/whatever will definitely be shut down. The RIAA, MPAA, etc. will see to the end of that.

However I have yet to see one single shred of evidence as to why reputable sites would be taken down. Because they won't. They adhere to fair use and thus will have no issues.

Hell, people are just randomly throwing out stuff like whatever that one poster was muttering about forum icons. And people are gullible enough to take it to heart despite there being no reason to. It's not 'blind faith' if there isn't any precedent set. That's already a dang good reputation for me.

The problem I have is that people who are against SOPA merely make 'sky is falling' remarks and make sensationalist arguments instead of factual ones. They know that they won't get any sympathy for defending piracy and so they claim that beloved sites like TGWTG and such would get taken down. And that's how they get their support. It's the Glenn Beck approach, and it's not one I like. I like reasoned arguments, not sensationalist bull**noel**.

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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Not to mention the chances of them abusing it would be too high. Seriously, why can they never get a bill to combat piracy right?

 

Also on the copyright holder thing, while it may not be related all that much, people saw how VIZ Media got on Narutofan's ass, and forced them to change their domain name (It was changed to Naruto Forums) merely because it sounded too official. We could see companies want to use SOPA for purposes other than stopping straight up piracy.

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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Megiddo wrote:

GinaSzanboti wrote:

 

I am still interestied in your thoughts about the people behind SOPA providing software and instructions for illegal downloading though.



Still interested.


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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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It's not sensationalist, imo. 

 

The fact that Universal has tried to claim copyright on a song that isn't theirs and have it pulled from youtube certainly makes it seem like they (and others) would push to remove whatever they wanted from the internet. Especially if they have legal control over it. It's another argument entirely whether or not the government would respond to such requests, but this bill seems more in favor of them than of us. The problem here is, even if it falls under "fair use" you can't just make that argument and expect the government to respond in favor. In most cases incidents like these may end up in challenged in court, and I don't think fan sites like TGWTG have the money to afford an extended court battle to prove whether their use of copyrighted material was legitmate. You talk like the RIAA, MPAA, etc are super friendly and only want to shut down the major piracy sites. Sure that may be a major point of their agenda, but the end goal is and will always be money, money, money and if someone is using their material to profit (fair use or not) they will go after them. 

 

Then I think there's a fair argument as to who exactly will be the judge of whether a site is an offender of copyright infrigement or not. Streaming sites like youtube and the like have plenty of copyrighted material uploaded by their users and they can't be expected to take them all down. But they also a fair share of original content that should never be under the threat of removal. Under SOPA though, if it has material thats copyrighted and distributed then its okay to take the whole thing down. I'm not saying that will actually happen to youtube, but it's not impossible seeing as how we don't know who or how these things will be decided. Even if youtube has enough popularity to be let slide, other lesser-known sites may not be treated as well. To make such sacrifies in the name of stopping piracy is ridiculous. 

 

And you know the fact that there is no precedent set doesn't mean they couldn't set one with this. I'd be much more inclined to agree with you if we had seen solid proof that abuse won't occur. And by that I mean past evidence that the government has sided with the people over the companies, and based on what I know that hasn't happened very often except in instances where the FCC has stepped in. But even they don't have as much power as they used to, because idiots in the congress and senate pretend they know the internet and think net neutrality is something we need to get rid of. 

 

In the end, I fail to see a solid reason for legislation such as this. The ends don't really justify the means here, as there are better ways of counteracting piracy. 

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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The only thing im worried about is anime sites that air/torrent the current season subbed being taken down.

That is pirating sure.

But dont lie and tell us you dont download from those sites too.

Weve seen you in discussion threads, you cant be "that guy" who ONLY buys anime and doesent download it.

If you are "that guy" then i feel sorry for you.

Also dont mention legal streaming, because there will be shows that arent being streamed by any site legally.
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Also here's some food for thought: 

 

"Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO), the only member of Congress present at the hearing with any tech experience, having founded several web companies, introduced two amendments: one to exclude universities and non-profits from being subject do having to shut down their own domain servers if accused of piracy under SOPA, and the other to exempt dynamic IP addresses, such as those found on web-enabled printers. Both were voted down. Polis pointed out that SOPA and Smith’s amendment already excluded certain operators of sub-domains, such as GoDaddy.com, from being subject to shutdowns under SOPA. “If companies like GoDaddy.com are exempt, why aren’t non-commercial domain servers exempt?” Polis asked."

 

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/sopa-hearing-will-ne
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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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Activision removing anything negative about Call of Duty anywhere so it sells even more copies (Despite being practically the exact same every single year.) start!

 

Also on YouTube videos being removed, we've seen incidents of fake copyright claims, people pretending to be the company. There have been official YouTube pages for bands and stuff, and their own videos had been taken down by fake copyright claims. People have probably tried to report Rebecca Black's "Friday" off her own YouTube channel by making it seem like they're the music company.

 

The government might even listen to people who do this crap, leading to abuse from those who file those fake copyright claims for fun, or because they apparently can't handle the thing they're reporting to stay on the internet.

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TheBigOFan72 wrote:

The government might even listen to people who do this crap, leading to abuse from those who file those fake copyright claims for fun, or because they apparently can't handle the thing they're reporting to stay on the internet.


Thats silly.

 

Everyone knows the government only listens to those with money.

 

Even if you pretend to have a lot of money, you cant truly achieve anything other than a mild nuisance unless you toss some of the cash out there.

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What if there are people who file fake copyright claims that are rich?

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GinaSzanboti wrote:

Megiddo wrote:

GinaSzanboti wrote:

 

I am still interestied in your thoughts about the people behind SOPA providing software and instructions for illegal downloading though.



Still interested.


Can you clarify this? Give a reputable source to whatever you're asking? I'm not really sure what you're asking.

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If theyre rich, it wouldnt be FAKE copyright claims.

Theres a difference between living comfortably and being RICH.
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It's the China fiasco all over again..

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GinaSzanboti wrote:

 

The Fail Toys guy, who we all know is crazy hyper in his presentations (try to endure that to hear what he's saying), makes some interesting points about SOPA here.


I'm asking you about your opinion of what he's saying.  You might not consider the man reputable, but I don't think he's fabricated the screen caps for this video (just skip to 2:35, it makes it slightly more bearable). 

 

Is what he's saying wrong?  Did c/net (owned by CBS) and AOL (owned by Warner) NOT offer Limewire and Kazaa software, with guidance on how to use it to pirate content?  While simultaneously suing the people that used it?


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Screencaps can be easily fabricated actually. That said, I'm currently on vacation in Florida, and the motel internet here really blows. I'll let it buffer for an hour or so and check it out.

Surely there is something on this issue more reliable than Jeepers Media though, right? Preferably text-based if possible?

 

EDIT: First minute and a half buffered. Already with sensational bull**noel**. Already with a false claim. First question is an extremely obvious one. He claims that the corporations profited from people downloading the p2p clients. How is that? Does he ever explain how in the next 12 minutes? Or was it just a throwaway statement that few people are smart enough to question because the masses just eat up sensational crap like that? Or talking about the 1.9 million taken from a single mother. As if she actually paid that much. They put large numbers like that to scare potential pirates. Hell, just look at this recent Texas case: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/150-billion-award-texas-fire-v
ictims-family-15201970#.TvkwA1auE9Q
In the first minute and a half I've seen sensationalist rantings and nothing more. Nothing even close to apporaching reason thus far.

 

Up to three minutes. Brings up case of student who could be extradited without mentioning that extradition is entirely two-way and can only occur if the UK also agrees to hand over the guy. Oh boy. This one is a doozie. HIs ace in the hole is that because Download.com hosted the binary executables for Limewire, Kazaa, BitTorrent, etc? The binaries have no harm. P2P clients have been around since... well, a long time. P2P isn't an issue. However, what users chose to share is the problem. This guy is incredibly stupid if he thinks that because the binaries were hosted on popular download sites that those sites should have any sort of negative ramifications for what the userbase chooses to share with the p2p clients.

 

Five minutes. Admits that P2P clients are completely legal. Reads off statement with clear promote with the intent the infrigement of copyright = liability clause. Says that the download sites did that thousands of times. I'm really really really doubtful he's ever going to back up that claim.

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I know they can be, but do you believe he did?  He's a dork, but I think he feels he has enough of a reputation as a dork to protect, that he wouldn't put up easily disprovable stuff like this.

 

Just go to c/net and see for yourself.  They don't have Limewire anymore, but they still offer all sorts of tools for file-sharing, ripping, and other copyright infringing activities.  The only difference now is that their reviewers offer a disclaimer that you shouldn't use them for that.  But I don't see why that should get them off the hook, since even ripping your own legally purchased dvds is a violation of copyright, and if a disk isn't DRM protected, what do you need ripping software for?


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http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3513_7-5128652-1.html

They allow rippers but always say that it is a violation of intellectual property law to rip a copyright-protected disc.

That said, there's still 10 minutes left of that crazy guy. Do I have to continue or did I already get the gist of it?
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I doubt you'll be swayed by the rest of it.  :smileyhappy:  Go enjoy your vacation.

 

But like I said, I don't think a disclaimer of don't use this for evil is any more of a defense than "I don't own this, and am not making any money off it."

 

Call me crazy, but providing software that has no other use than infringement activity along with editorial reviews and star-ratings seems like inducement to me.


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P2P actually has plenty of legal uses. Transferring documents or open-source programs, or any other non-copyrighted material. Just because the masses for the most part only used it to share and download music/videos doesn't mean that the P2P client is to be blamed. Hell, a lot of game companies now use P2P such as BitTorrent for their game updates or even to download the full game itself. It's certainly not a model to be dismissed as only for pirates.

That guy claimed they made hundreds of millions of dollars by people downloading the P2P clients. How? That's what I would like to know.

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Forget it, he's already convinced himself that he's right.  And he's a big enough a-hole to just try and hurl insults at anyone who dare to disagree with him.

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Re: Urgent: OA please help stop SOPA

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Reply to Megiddo - Message ID#: 63053819

Again, I don't see why you need a ripper if you don't have any DRM to remove.  Copying unprotected disks is simple.

 

One of the ways they made money at the time was distribution deals with Kazaa et al.  I don't remember what else, and I don't want to listen to him any more either.  :smileyhappy:

 

His conspiracy theory is that these companies distributed the software in order to encourage downloading so that they could get Congress to pass this sort of law handing control over to them. 

 

I realize how paranoid that sounds.  But it does raise the question:  if Viacom and AOL/Warner and Disney were all so terrified of piracy facilitated by P2P and YouTube et al, why were they all distributing DRM removal and P2P software on sites they owned (caveat: CBS didn't buy c/net until 2008, post Grokster decision, but Warner owned AOL long before, and I don't know about Disney - I just can't keep up with corporate mergers), linking them on every other site they owned, and reviewing them with examples of which worked best?  Why was c/net offering this software during the time that Shelby Bonnie was on the board of both c/net and Warner Music Group while the RIAA was ramping up their lawsuits?  I'd say follow the money, I'm just not entirely sure how to follow that trail.

 

Found this article which has no video.  :smileyhappy:   Apparently there is a lawsuit pending over this very question, although it's only going after CBS.  And if you read the comments, most of them are from Mozart, so I guess you can hear his point of view without actually having to listen to him.   :smileyhappy:


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